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Post by Vinny on Aug 29, 2024 11:52:59 GMT
It's not often I agree with Dan these days but I totally agree with Dan's posts on this matter.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 29, 2024 12:39:38 GMT
I have some education for you lot.
A question which is often mooted is, is China communist or not, and even if it is, what does whatever it is transform this in 1973
To this 2 years ago.
And the answer is according to me:
From wiki, I quote the period of 1988 onwards.
He was critical in China's reforms and switch to capitalist principles. Judge for yourself. Please take time to look at the architecture. The Chinese like beautiful things. We commissioned Brutalism from the soviet union.
$4/month rent 1973. A typical flat in Shanghai now retails at about $1m.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 29, 2024 12:49:35 GMT
Propaganda is not education. China is a dictatorship with absymal human rights and a very nosy global spying operation. www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/chinaUntil things change, I will not endorse doing any trade with that dictatorship. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 29, 2024 12:53:32 GMT
There are a lot of uncomfortable truths in that post ^ Perhaps so, but the Baron's prescription for success - that the West should become more like China - is one of those cases where the recommended treatment is worse than the ailment it is supposed to cure.
Of course he wouldn't know anything about that, he's never been to China and doesn't speak or read a word of the language. His impressions are formed by an addiction to carefully curated videos distributed in the West to mould opinion here. As well as cheap and tawdry junk he buys from mail-order companies whose main claim to fame is the ability to operate on ultra-low margins. He doesn't stop to reflect how that is possible, and the macro-economic effect on an entire economy which is structured that way.
As long as he gets his chips he just doesn't care.
You employ character assassination because you have lost your arguments. That is so intellectually weak that it must be an embarrassment for you to have to resort to this level of debate. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 29, 2024 13:00:48 GMT
Propaganda is not education. China is a dictatorship with absymal human rights and a very nosy global spying operation. www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/chinaUntil things change, I will not endorse doing any trade with that dictatorship. How can either of those two videos or the wiki biography be propaganda? It's just factual, as in what happened. The second one is just photography to a bit of music. It's arty. For those who are into architecture, those buildings are some great examples. You are the socialist. You have your fixed ideology, much like Mao did with this Marxism, and no matter what evidence there is to suggest it is duff, you carry on blindly fixated to it, thinking if it does not work, we must double down some more, i.e. you are exactly what you purport to imagine your opponents are. A society run by yourself would be one of the most fascist regimes imaginable. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 29, 2024 13:04:53 GMT
Exposing a charlatan is not character assassination but rather a public service.
Your so-called arguments are completely without merit since you construct the general case based on stray factoids gleaned from highly dubious sources and embellish them with cod psychology.
It's a cliché and a truism but you really ought to get out more. Do some traveling in the real world and give the Internet a rest. You'll feel much better for it.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 29, 2024 13:08:26 GMT
Any old twat can post shit on youtube.
Even I have a channel on there.
And I've contributed to wikipedia too.
Fuck dictatorships.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 14:09:20 GMT
Definately a totalitarian site.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 14:15:52 GMT
There are a lot of uncomfortable truths in that post ^ Perhaps so, but the Baron's prescription for success - that the West should become more like China - is one of those cases where the recommended treatment is worse than the ailment it is supposed to cure.
Of course he wouldn't know anything about that, he's never been to China and doesn't speak or read a word of the language. His impressions are formed by an addiction to carefully curated videos distributed in the West to mould opinion here. As well as cheap and tawdry junk he buys from mail-order companies whose main claim to fame is the ability to operate on ultra-low margins. He doesn't stop to reflect how that is possible, and the macro-economic effect on an entire economy which is structured that way.
As long as he gets his chips he just doesn't care.
I think the west needs to start making stuff efficiently enough to become a rival to not just China but India and Vietnam etc . But that’s not going to happen . However if we don’t then China imo will become a threat and we in the West will begin the slide into global irrelevance. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 29, 2024 14:51:02 GMT
For China to become a real threat to the West it will need to rapidly ascend the technology food-chain. So far there is little evidence that they will be able to do that, despite the Baron's robotic parroting of the regime's claims. Item: China's effort to replicate the Boeing 737 and Airbus 320, which entered airline service in 1968 and 1988, respectively. The Comac C-919, despite wholesale use of western technology - everything from avionics to engines to landing gear - did not enter (Chinese) airline service until late 2023. At present there are just seven examples in service. It's not a question of 'making stuff', but of making the right sort of stuff, high value technology-intensive capital goods and not cheap and cheerful consumer gew-gaws for which there are plenty of lost-cost manufacturing sources in the developing world, besides China.
Contrary to the Baron's pronouncements, it is not China that the UK needs to emulate in order to resuscitate its industrial base but rather the other members of the G7, especially the USA, Germany and Japan. France and Italy too.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 16:25:51 GMT
For China to become a real threat to the West it will need to rapidly ascend the technology food-chain. So far there is little evidence that they will be able to do that, despite the Baron's robotic parroting of the regime's claims. Item: China's effort to replicate the Boeing 737 and Airbus 320, which entered airline service in 1968 and 1988, respectively. The Comac C-919, despite wholesale use of western technology - everything from avionics to engines to landing gear - did not enter (Chinese) airline service until late 2023. At present there are just seven examples in service. It's not a question of 'making stuff', but of making the right sort of stuff, high value technology-intensive capital goods and not cheap and cheerful consumer gew-gaws for which there are plenty of lost-cost manufacturing sources in the developing world, besides China.
Contrary to the Baron's pronouncements, it is not China that the UK needs to emulate in order to resuscitate its industrial base but rather the other members of the G7, especially the USA, Germany and Japan. France and Italy too.
Maybe . I remember the days when ‘made in Japan ‘was a sign that the product was poor. How times change . As an aside, I remember when the UK made reasonably good garments and electronics. They are all made in China now a fraction of the price and the quality is better than the ones we made . They are not gewgaws. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 29, 2024 16:26:46 GMT
Japan did itself in with real estate
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 29, 2024 17:01:27 GMT
Japan did itself in with real estate and the same is happening with China. They went on a real estate building boom which has now collapsed and is spreading to infrastructure - they built thousands of miles of road and rail to connect these new cities which are now abandoned and empty. The stock market has been flat for 20 years and with dozens of EV makers now losing money it doesn't look like there will be much improvement in the medium term. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 31, 2024 10:14:41 GMT
Exposing a charlatan is not character assassination but rather a public service. Your so-called arguments are completely without merit since you construct the general case based on stray factoids gleaned from highly dubious sources and embellish them with cod psychology. It's a cliché and a truism but you really ought to get out more. Do some traveling in the real world and give the Internet a rest. You'll feel much better for it. You, a public fucking service. You are talking shit. You know fuck all about the subject, and this is why you can't argue on the terms of the issue. You got to make up some propaganda about all the sources are wrong because you know best. What a joke you are. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 31, 2024 10:19:18 GMT
Perhaps so, but the Baron's prescription for success - that the West should become more like China - is one of those cases where the recommended treatment is worse than the ailment it is supposed to cure.
Of course he wouldn't know anything about that, he's never been to China and doesn't speak or read a word of the language. His impressions are formed by an addiction to carefully curated videos distributed in the West to mould opinion here. As well as cheap and tawdry junk he buys from mail-order companies whose main claim to fame is the ability to operate on ultra-low margins. He doesn't stop to reflect how that is possible, and the macro-economic effect on an entire economy which is structured that way.
As long as he gets his chips he just doesn't care.
I think the west needs to start making stuff efficiently enough to become a rival to not just China but India and Vietnam etc . But that’s not going to happen . However if we don’t then China imo will become a threat and we in the West will begin the slide into global irrelevance. That is exactly right.
Fighting them because we can't produce the goods is hopeless. They have just restricted antimony supplies to the US. China mines most of the world's supply and most of the remainder comes from Russia.
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