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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 26, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
The strategy should be to attempt to keep friendly with the US, as per certainly don't kick up a storm, but convince the US that the UK has a right to sovereign decisions and it needs to work with many trading partners, as per WTO rules etc. That's probably a good way to put it in fact since they created the WTO in the first place. You have to have a level of ambivalence about you as well. Ad hoc deals here and there, you know how to play it so they remain moderately happy. If the US kicks up a stink the UK may get other countries saying hey, leave the UK alone, they aint doing any bad, and so it could ward them off playing the asshole. China would stick up for us if we stuck up for them. It's like asking daddy if it's OK to go out and play, but daddy says no, not with those naughty children down the road. And to think, the UK once built a trade network that stretched around the world.
It's our newspapers. They all follow American diktat. They help to keep the population stupid and self destructive. Fararge has been to the US since he was elected more times than he has visited his constituency. He is going there to be trained. He's not rebel. He's an establishment figure shitting us.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 27, 2024 4:33:01 GMT
It's like asking daddy if it's OK to go out and play, but daddy says no, not with those naughty children down the road. And to think, the UK once built a trade network that stretched around the world.
It's our newspapers. They all follow American diktat. They help to keep the population stupid and self destructive. Fararge has been to the US since he was elected more times than he has visited his constituency. He is going there to be trained. He's not rebel. He's an establishment figure shitting us. Most of the media is openly anti-Trump. Anyone with an Android phone is getting Google news feed by default which is heavily corporate Left and openly bias in their story selections. On the surface I see Farage supporting Trump, which would be beneficial to him if Trump became POTUS in the future. I'm curious, is there any political movement in the UK that you do support?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 27, 2024 6:29:03 GMT
It's our newspapers. They all follow American diktat. They help to keep the population stupid and self destructive. Fararge has been to the US since he was elected more times than he has visited his constituency. He is going there to be trained. He's not rebel. He's an establishment figure shitting us. Most of the media is openly anti-Trump. Anyone with an Android phone is getting Google news feed by default which is heavily corporate Left and openly bias in their story selections. On the surface I see Farage supporting Trump, which would be beneficial to him if Trump became POTUS in the future. I'm curious, is there any political movement in the UK that you do support? No I can't think of one political movement I'm that supportive of in the UK. If I look at even individual campaigners they are few and far between. I judge it on who has impressed me. I think the most impressive political party operating right now is in China. Many of the things I've been saying the UK should do for decades until I'm blue in the face and since given up, I see being implemented in China. It's as if China did what I recommended should be done, and yet they did it entirely independently as they don't know me at all. People accuse me of following China, but it was never like that. I had my ideas and along they came and did the same, so that's why I have to honestly say I would support them if they were a UK political party. The thing that most impresses me is their industrial policy. It is clever.
Anyway, I've had a good think about your point about supporting movements in the UK and yes there is one I fully back (not really a movement - more a campaign), and that is what Amy Gallagher is doing. She is very smart and understands psychology and is one of the few speakers I've heard who does. Because of this I feel she has identified the reality of what is going on in the UK and why it is collapsing. She deserves a gold star in my book along with Sir Bates.
This is her wiki page if you have not come across her.
As for Trump, I think they play the game of my enemy's enemy is my friend. When Trump attacked China for all those bogus claims I realised he was really working for the same people Biden does. All these US reps have flaws by design. They would never make president if they didn't have things to hide because blackmail is the preferred method of running the political system over there. Epstein showed us how it was done.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 28, 2024 11:12:30 GMT
This is probably going to be the number one reason why we are going to have to eat our nation's words on China and and work cooperatively with the Chinese government.
You may well have all manner of emotional and ideological reasons why you would want to separate from this country and Russia, but the facts say you are going to have to make a hard choice between economic survival and your cherished political views, which are likely to revolve around human rights.
As you should be aware, we have lived through a period of relative financial stability by relying on the dollar as the reserve currency. Everything in the world was valued in dollars and this built up a global trading system using the dollar. The dollar's dominance was secured by one simple fact. Since the industrial revolution we have used hydrocarbons as our source of energy. We went from humans + raw materials => manufactured products to a system of humans + machines + hydrocarbon energy -> manufactured products. To buy hydrocarbons on the world market meant you first had to buy dollars, hence why the dollar was worth something, and then in the oil crisis of 73 they engineered that to make the dollar worth a lot more due the increased number of dollars needed to buy a barrel of oil. As you are aware, since the 90s there has been a race to replace hydrocarbons due to global warming concerns. The one thing that propped the system up is now being blamed on killing the planet. God works in mysterious ways, don't you think?
Anyway, here is the latest on what BRICS is up to. 40 countries are now asking to join, Malaysia is in the process joining currently and BRICs has established an interbank payment system. This video gives you the latest stats. The BRICs international development bank is up and running, plus Russia is linking up with Iran and intra-trade is on the increase. In time what you will see is a shift of wealth from the western nations supporting the dollar to BRICs nations. I mean I know Iran has a bad name, but it was one country who refused to play ball in the dollar system by virtue of mad clerics of a certain faith. The CIA tried to install their own man as leader, so it was in the firing line for a long time, and another example of CIA meddling was in Cuba, another rebel country. Now all the rebels are ganging up together.
With Britain, it is not a question of what you would like, but what you need. We are a weak country now and can not call the shots. We do have some power though, but we should use it wisely and map out a path so we don't get left out in the lurch with no food and no anything. We need these countries for raw materials even if we refuse to buy their manufactured products.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 28, 2024 11:19:58 GMT
Fuck the Chinese government. And fuck the BRICS.
It was bad enough in the EU, the BRICS is even shittier.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 28, 2024 11:35:11 GMT
Fuck the Chinese government. And fuck the BRICS. It was bad enough in the EU, the BRICS is even shittier. Although I can't say what the future of BRICs will look like, from what I gather it is primarily a trading system, not a political system. The countries involved are too diverse to make it a political system, although I'm aware this is how the EU started, but you can not use that as a reason why it must. It will evolve according to the collective agreements of its members. Britain joining BRICs now is a bit too radical to contemplate. What I suggest we do is lay the groundwork with BRICS such that we can get a decent trade agreement for our own needs. We certainly don't want to piss them off. If we went over to China and talked frankly with them, they would probably be helpful in suggesting how this might work. After all China is a large percentage of the BRICS GDP so stay in with them. They are or at least can be quite reasonable, and do hot have anything personally against the Brits, except for the Summer Palace incident, which I think we should apologise for. The general view in the Chinese government is they are fed up with British politicians not being straight with them. It's this approach where they feel they are always being engineered. Like we need to cut the crap and come clean.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 28, 2024 12:11:07 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that.
I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China.
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Post by borchester on Aug 28, 2024 13:39:28 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that. I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China. Me to.
Unfortunately, the Taku forts still stand, the fleet is ensconced in the Gut and is busy obliging all the Baron's charming country women and the home population has smoked all the opium anyway. So the best idea is to be best mates with anyone with any cash, whatever their political beliefs and sanitary (or lack there of) arrangements
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Post by patman post on Aug 28, 2024 14:00:37 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that. I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China. Wasn't the Empire (latterly the Commonwealth) throughout its history nearly always a fix (in Britain's favour until recently), under which it acquired raw materials at knock-down prices and sold manufactures back to captive markets?
I guess the recent cosying up to Canada, Australia and New Zealand has come from recent UK governments realising that the UK by itself is no more than a European offshore island...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 28, 2024 14:44:53 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that. I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China. Wasn't the Empire (latterly the Commonwealth) throughout its history nearly always a fix (in Britain's favour until recently), under which it acquired raw materials at knock-down prices and sold manufactures back to captive markets?
I guess the recent cosying up to Canada, Australia and New Zealand has come from recent UK governments realising that the UK by itself is no more than a European offshore island...
Canada has just announced 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, obviously by being told what to do by the US in a with us or agaisnt us moment.
The problem is BRICS is much larger than the G7. Either we work with BRICS and make money out of it with the technology we can contribute or we go for war as Vinny seem to like the idea of. I mean we already fucked ourselves in the two world wars and had most of our wealth destroyed. Do we want to be ask to be finished off for good? We were doing fine for a while when we had the Dutch discover North Sea oil, but that has pretty much been depleted along with our coal reserves. It was the coal that powered the industrial revolution.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 28, 2024 14:49:07 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that. I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China. Me to.
Unfortunately, the Taku forts still stand, the fleet is ensconced in the Gut and is busy obliging all the Baron's charming country women and the home population has smoked all the opium anyway. So the best idea is to be best mates with anyone with any cash, whatever their political beliefs and sanitary (or lack there of) arrangements
We did not get to be the world's fifth largest economy without pragmatism towards cash. I'm just looking ahead at the state of our traditional cash cow.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 28, 2024 15:28:26 GMT
BRICS is a club for dictatorships and third world shitholes. Fuck that. I would much prefer to fix the Commonwealth turn that into a free trade organisation, and stick two fingers up at China. Wasn't the Empire (latterly the Commonwealth) throughout its history nearly always a fix (in Britain's favour until recently), under which it acquired raw materials at knock-down prices and sold manufactures back to captive markets?
I guess the recent cosying up to Canada, Australia and New Zealand has come from recent UK governments realising that the UK by itself is no more than a European offshore island...
The Empire was a mistake, the Commonwealth was a good idea but needed turning into a fully fledged FTA and procedures to lift the poorer nations out of poverty. It also provides the best hope for pleasing the environmentalists, because a lot of those countries are sunkissed. Solar powered capture of CO2, for reprocessing back into fuel. A process already exists and works. The Aussies are very soon going to be producing synthetic methanol with it. It's only a short step away from petrol. Every single petrol car on the planet can run on synthetic petrol. Think about the trading opportunities, for clean renewable petrol in large quantities being shipped around the Commonwealth, with us producing and selling the equipment to them. It can be done. So lets do it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 28, 2024 17:18:17 GMT
Canada has just announced 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, obviously by being told what to do by the US in a with us or agaisnt us moment.
The problem is BRICS is much larger than the G7. Either we work with BRICS and make money out of it with the technology we can contribute or we go for war as Vinny seem to like the idea of. I mean we already fucked ourselves in the two world wars and had most of our wealth destroyed. Do we want to be ask to be finished off for good? We were doing fine for a while when we had the Dutch discover North Sea oil, but that has pretty much been depleted along with our coal reserves. It was the coal that powered the industrial revolution.
In what respect is 'BRICS' much larger than the G7, other than in total population size and perhaps land area?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 28, 2024 17:39:51 GMT
Canada has just announced 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, obviously by being told what to do by the US in a with us or agaisnt us moment.
The problem is BRICS is much larger than the G7. Either we work with BRICS and make money out of it with the technology we can contribute or we go for war as Vinny seem to like the idea of. I mean we already fucked ourselves in the two world wars and had most of our wealth destroyed. Do we want to be ask to be finished off for good? We were doing fine for a while when we had the Dutch discover North Sea oil, but that has pretty much been depleted along with our coal reserves. It was the coal that powered the industrial revolution.
In what respect is 'BRICS' much larger than the G7, other than in total population size and perhaps land area? All three: land, population and GDP. The thing is we industrialised a long time ago so all our mineral depots have been exhausted to the point of economic extraction. Cornwall was rich at one time. Redruth was especially so, but now it is a deprived area like much of Wales. These third world countries have not had the technology to extract minerals, so they are still rich in them. This is why we are fighting in Ukraine. We want their mineral resources and we don't want them to go to Russia.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 28, 2024 20:15:23 GMT
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