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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 9, 2022 11:23:47 GMT
Very amusing clip DD. Electoral fraud is a muslim pastime it seems.  The problem here is that the authorities have convinced themselves that electoral fraud is minimal, so the Electoral Commission has absolutely no powers to do anything about it and the police (who do have the powers) don't know very much about electoral law. So nothing ever gets done about it - except when people take private prosecutions. The net result is that a block vote from the muslims in London for the favoured muslim candidate can be VERY hard to beat. So Khan will probably get back in if he stand again. And make no mistake the intention of the muslims is to make the country muslim - which will destroy England. The Electoral Commission is not alone in believing that social pathologies like electoral fraud are of little importance or interest.
They, like the establishment generally, are keen to maintain the fiction that Britain is still the same trust-based society it was in earlier times, and that the millions of post-war migrants from societies where fraud, corruption and nepotism are endemic are somehow magically transformed into upstanding citizens on entering the arrivals hall.
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 0:31:36 GMT
Very amusing clip DD. Electoral fraud is a muslim pastime it seems. . . . Only seems that way to fuckwitted bigots who like broad brush condemning many for the actions of a few The identifiable group most associated with electoral fraud in the UK is actually the Conservative party i |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 2:15:14 GMT
A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a "banana republic". Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said. He found six Labour councillors in Birmingham guilty of carrying out "massive, systematic and organised" postal voting fraud to win two wards during last June's elections for the city council. Declaring the results void, he barred the men from standing again in a byelection expected on May 12. The fine upstanding Labour councilors were: Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam, Mohammed Kazi, Shafaq Ahmed, Shah Jahan and Ayaz Khan. www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernment |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 2:18:31 GMT
More recently: Election fraud has been allowed to take place in Muslim communities because of “political correctness”, a major report finds as it calls for unprecedented reforms to the British voting system. In a report commissioned by the Government, Sir Eric Pickles, the former Conservative Cabinet minister, today warns that the authorities are in a “state of denial” and are “turning a blind eye” to election fraud. He said that there is evidence of voter fraud “especially in communities of Pakistani and Bangladeshi background” but that the cases have been ignored because of “over-sensitivities about ethnicity and religion”. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/election-fraud-allowed-to-take-place-in-muslim-communities-becau/ |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 10, 2022 8:12:43 GMT
A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a "banana republic". Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said. He found six Labour councillors in Birmingham guilty of carrying out "massive, systematic and organised" postal voting fraud to win two wards during last June's elections for the city council. Declaring the results void, he barred the men from standing again in a byelection expected on May 12. The fine upstanding Labour councilors were: Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam, Mohammed Kazi, Shafaq Ahmed, Shah Jahan and Ayaz Khan. www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernmentGood post. You almost got to laugh at how blatant the fraud is - and how stupid we are to allow it to continue happening. I think the other reason that people are so unconcerned about the problem is that they thing that it's difficult to actually change the result of an election. Bit it's not. To change even the result of a General Election you need only to change the result in the marginals - which doesn't involve a large number of votes at all. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 10, 2022 10:25:21 GMT
And of course the vulnerability of the electoral system to fraud is compounded by the ludicrously anachronistic 'tradition' of allowing Commonwealth citizens who 'have leave to enter' the UK the right to vote in all elections. Even though that right is very rarely reciprocated and never at all in countries like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh; not to mention Mozambique, Rwanda and Cameroon. The UK even extends such foreigners to ability to vote by post.
Abolishing this 'tradition' would probably be the single most effective step in eliminating electoral fraud.
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 10:36:32 GMT
A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a "banana republic". Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said. He found six Labour councillors in Birmingham guilty of carrying out "massive, systematic and organised" postal voting fraud to win two wards during last June's elections for the city council. Declaring the results void, he barred the men from standing again in a byelection expected on May 12. The fine upstanding Labour councilors were: Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam, Mohammed Kazi, Shafaq Ahmed, Shah Jahan and Ayaz Khan. www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernmentGood post. You almost got to laugh at how blatant the fraud is - and how stupid we are to allow it to continue happening. I think the other reason that people are so unconcerned about the problem is that they thing that it's difficult to actually change the result of an election. Bit it's not. To change even the result of a General Election you need only to change the result in the marginals - which doesn't involve a large number of votes at all. No it's a shit post, effectively being seriously dishonest. Red is positioning an over 18 years old story (it was ONE local election in 2004) as if it applies today and carefully doesn't mention the changes in postal voting scrutiny that have been put in place since. Worth a read www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Fraud-allegations-data-report-2017.pdf |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 11:23:34 GMT
Good post. You almost got to laugh at how blatant the fraud is - and how stupid we are to allow it to continue happening. I think the other reason that people are so unconcerned about the problem is that they thing that it's difficult to actually change the result of an election. Bit it's not. To change even the result of a General Election you need only to change the result in the marginals - which doesn't involve a large number of votes at all. No it's a shit post, effectively being seriously dishonest. Red is positioning an over 18 years old story (it was ONE local election in 2004) as if it applies today and carefully doesn't mention the changes in postal voting scrutiny that have been put in place since. Worth a read www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Fraud-allegations-data-report-2017.pdf And the second link in which voter fraud in Pakistani communities is highlighted, is from 2016. Perhaps this is 'another' isolated case? |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 13:17:58 GMT
There is only one link in the post I referred to. A 2005 article about an incident in a minor election in 2004
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Post by Handyman on Dec 12, 2022 16:01:28 GMT
Did you really challenge yourself before posting that OP? Take your attack on the Civil Service. They're there to serve the express wishes of the monarchy - in practice the laws that Parliament have passed and the monarch approved. So when repeatedly we see here today gone tomorrow politicians demanding they do something that contradicts those laws, the Civil Service tends to say 'no' (or to be more exact 'not until you get the law changed' and rightly so. And do you ever learn anything about a subject before posting? Apparently not. The Civil Service are there to do the bidding of the Executive - the government. They're fuck all to do with the monarchy. They cannot say "no" to anything that they're told to do. They can try to point out any problems, but ultimately it's up the Executive what they should do. But of course the Civil Service are very adept at doing fuck all. And that seems to be increasingly what they do - i.e. Nothing. I agree His Majesty's Home Civil Service, also known as His Majesty's Civil Service, the Home Civil Service, or colloquially as the Civil Service is the permanent bureaucracy or secretariat of Crown employees that supports His Majesty's Government, which is led by a cabinet of ministers chosen by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as two of the three devolved administrations: the Scottish Government and the Welsh Government, but not the Northern Ireland Executive. It is the Governmnet of the day that is Sovereign , the Monarch of the day is Sovereign in name only, it is the Government of the day that makes all the rules regulations and legislation, the Monarch of the day simply rubber stamps them as is customary and has been for years. Even when the Monarch conducts the ceremony of State Opening of Parliament and gives a speech to both Houses it is not even the Monarchs speech that is read out, its written by the PM of the day IMO the RMT are trying to force a GE , |
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Post by Steve on Dec 12, 2022 22:12:32 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 13, 2022 7:53:02 GMT
Handyman said: "IMO the RMT are trying to force a GE".
Yes. IMO that's what ALL of these attacks on the country are about. It's about deposing the Tories and trying to neuter Brexit. It can't be allowed to happen.
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Post by Handyman on Dec 13, 2022 9:25:15 GMT
Handyman said: " IMO the RMT are trying to force a GE". Yes. IMO that's what ALL of these attacks on the country are about. It's about deposing the Tories and trying to neuter Brexit. It can't be allowed to happen. Yes Lynch the Head of the RMT Union and his deputy are both committed Marxists extremely well paid Marxists , many of the Rail Workers are some of the highest paid workers in the UK, they are stopping other people getting to work many of whom pay considerable sums for their season tickets, many of whom earn far less than the drivers do, self employed workers that can't get to work earn nothing. Lots of business during the pandemic have gone to the wall, or are heavily in debt, this should be the time of the year that shops restaurants etc should be earning money but the footfall in our shops is way down as people cannot get to the City Centres due to the strikes , more businesses will go under, jobs will be lost people will not be able to pay their bills rents or mortgages Do the Union Leaders care what happens to others workers ? No they don't give a feck |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 13, 2022 10:26:41 GMT
That is not authoritative it disclaims that at the beginning. It is an aid to understanding and is by no means definitive. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 13, 2022 12:28:08 GMT
It has umpteen levels better provenance than anything that's been offered the other way.
Parliamentary research briefs are the key basis for parliamentary decision making and have a rigorous process to ensure that are accurate
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