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Post by Handyman on Dec 14, 2022 9:14:03 GMT
Exactly. When Boris prorogued Parliament - probably to stop Remainers trying to block Brexit - he was challenged in the Supreme Court by a Remainer cabal, and the court declared it to be illegal. The law was unclear. However according to Lord Sumption the Supremem Court had overstepped its powers in calling it illegal. He said that there was a grey area between what should be decided by the govt and what should be decided in court and that the Supreme Court had effectively moved into the area of law-making - which is outside their remit. But the point is that the CS has to do what they're told - or they can be sacked. And if there's any doubt as to whether what the govt intends is illegal or not the govt can get the Attorney General to give his legal opinion. Laws are invariably ambiguous and the decision is NOT up to the civil service. Exactly Civil Servants serve the Government of the day it is their job to implement all and any instructions the Government gives them, new Legislation additions to amendments to existing legislation has already been checked by the the Governments Eagles before it even goes before Parliament, and securitised by the Lords before it eventually is voted on in the Commons. The claim Civil Servants can say no to the Government is total bollocks |
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Post by Steve on Dec 14, 2022 10:05:48 GMT
Exactly. When Boris prorogued Parliament - probably to stop Remainers trying to block Brexit - he was challenged in the Supreme Court by a Remainer cabal, and the court declared it to be illegal. The law was unclear. However according to Lord Sumption the Supremem Court had overstepped its powers in calling it illegal. He said that there was a grey area between what should be decided by the govt and what should be decided in court and that the Supreme Court had effectively moved into the area of law-making - which is outside their remit. But the point is that the CS has to do what they're told - or they can be sacked. And if there's any doubt as to whether what the govt intends is illegal or not the govt can get the Attorney General to give his legal opinion. Laws are invariably ambiguous and the decision is NOT up to the civil service. FFS that proroguing was illegal (and immoral) and that's why the Supreme Court stopped it Seems you wish for a government allowed and encouraged to act illegally every hour of the day. Well piss off to Moscow then, they share your values there. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 14, 2022 10:07:03 GMT
Exactly. When Boris prorogued Parliament - probably to stop Remainers trying to block Brexit - he was challenged in the Supreme Court by a Remainer cabal, and the court declared it to be illegal. The law was unclear. However according to Lord Sumption the Supremem Court had overstepped its powers in calling it illegal. He said that there was a grey area between what should be decided by the govt and what should be decided in court and that the Supreme Court had effectively moved into the area of law-making - which is outside their remit. But the point is that the CS has to do what they're told - or they can be sacked. And if there's any doubt as to whether what the govt intends is illegal or not the govt can get the Attorney General to give his legal opinion. Laws are invariably ambiguous and the decision is NOT up to the civil service. Exactly Civil Servants serve the Government of the day it is their job to implement all and any instructions the Government gives them, new Legislation additions to amendments to existing legislation has already been checked by the the Governments Eagles before it even goes before Parliament, and securitised by the Lords before it eventually is voted on in the Commons. The claim Civil Servants can say no to the Government is total bollocks FFS do get real. Well either that or same advice I gave above. Piss off to somewhere like Moscow where they follow dictats to the letter whether legal or not |
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Post by Orac on Dec 14, 2022 11:40:04 GMT
I'm trying to think of historical situations in which the elections didn't really matter because everything was run by a permanent civil service who couldn't be de-selected. The late Soviet Union springs up as one candidate.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 14, 2022 13:43:44 GMT
Exactly Civil Servants serve the Government of the day it is their job to implement all and any instructions the Government gives them, new Legislation additions to amendments to existing legislation has already been checked by the the Governments Eagles before it even goes before Parliament, and securitised by the Lords before it eventually is voted on in the Commons. The claim Civil Servants can say no to the Government is total bollocks FFS do get real. Well either that or same advice I gave above. Piss off to somewhere like Moscow where they follow dictats to the letter whether legal or not The Supreme Court decision wasn't unanimous, rather like remain didn't receive every vote in the referendum.  |
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Post by Steve on Dec 14, 2022 17:29:40 GMT
So?
You going to say release all those criminals convicted on majority verdicts? I doubt it so best you accept the Supreme Court decision
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