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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:45:16 GMT
I am not, and never have been, "in Labour". I've voted for parties other than Labour more times than I have voted for Labour. I have NEVER supported Hamas, but have repeatedly condemned their illegal actions. So you lie again. Do you actually have anything other than lies? All The Best But the people of Gaza had a democratic vote and did support Hamas. But I am not in Gaza. So how does that change what I have said? Oh, and since Hamas first came to power, Gazans have not been permitted to have any further elections. All The Best |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 13, 2024 20:45:49 GMT
I am not, and never have been, "in Labour". I've voted for parties other than Labour more times than I have voted for Labour. I have NEVER supported Hamas, but have repeatedly condemned their illegal actions. So you lie again. Do you actually have anything other than lies? All The Best But the people of Gaza had a democratic vote and did support Hamas. Just as the Hamas supporters now work for the Labour party and show up to violently attack people on the streets. This is what was recently exposed when Hamas boys were trawling the streets looking for victims when there was a no show. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:59:23 GMT
But the people of Gaza had a democratic vote and did support Hamas. Just as the Hamas supporters now work for the Labour party and show up to violently attack people on the streets. This is what was recently exposed when Hamas boys were trawling the streets looking for victims when there was a no show. Any evidence? Or another lie? All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 7:20:37 GMT
But the people of Gaza had a democratic vote and did support Hamas. But I am not in Gaza. So how does that change what I have said? Oh, and since Hamas first came to power, Gazans have not been permitted to have any further elections. All The Best Of course you are not but you are in support of a group whose own support is given to a terrorist organisation. It is not Israel that is stopping further elections it is those that were given direct support by the people of Gaza. It is strange that they have not had a vote for close on 20 years and it is all Israel's fault. No real mention of infighting amongst the Palestinians and the lack of democracy which once again falls back on Israel. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2024 7:23:59 GMT
Well it is true that in the last 20 years the people of Gaza have been prevented from having another vote - but so have the people of the West Bank. Which is hardly surprising as the polling shows that Hamas would win easily there in any new vote...
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 14, 2024 7:47:53 GMT
It does make you laugh really, all the UK Pro-Palestine Hamas supporting protesters waving their banners and chanting antisemitic racial hatred 2,464 miles away from Gaza, while it's people have suffered, miserable and suppressed lives under a terrorist regime as long back as they can remember, unlike the UK Pro-Palestine race haters who exercise their UK freedom of democracy and right to march unchallenged by authority, and then return home to their semi-detached houses having done their bit for the cause .... unbelievable..
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 10:07:46 GMT
Well it is true that in the last 20 years the people of Gaza have been prevented from having another vote - but so have the people of the West Bank. Which is hardly surprising as the polling shows that Hamas would win easily there in any new vote... So it is OK to deny people the vote of we don't like how they might vote? How very EU of you. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 10:11:25 GMT
But I am not in Gaza. So how does that change what I have said? Oh, and since Hamas first came to power, Gazans have not been permitted to have any further elections. All The Best Of course you are not but you are in support of a group whose own support is given to a terrorist organisation. It is not Israel that is stopping further elections it is those that were given direct support by the people of Gaza. It is strange that they have not had a vote for close on 20 years and it is all Israel's fault. No real mention of infighting amongst the Palestinians and the lack of democracy which once again falls back on Israel. Am I? Is there any evidence at all that the majority of civilians in Gaza support Hamas? No, because they have been denied the vote - by Hamas. Surely, if Hamas were even remotely sure of victory they would allow the vote to go ahead? They haven't. That implies they know support for them is in decline, and they risk losing the very tenuous grip they do have on power. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2024 10:35:21 GMT
Well it is true that in the last 20 years the people of Gaza have been prevented from having another vote - but so have the people of the West Bank. Which is hardly surprising as the polling shows that Hamas would win easily there in any new vote... So it is OK to deny people the vote of we don't like how they might vote? How very EU of you. All The Best Not up to me to deny them anything - if the Palestinian leadership do not want to hold elections that is a decision for them. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 12:24:57 GMT
Of course you are not but you are in support of a group whose own support is given to a terrorist organisation. It is not Israel that is stopping further elections it is those that were given direct support by the people of Gaza. It is strange that they have not had a vote for close on 20 years and it is all Israel's fault. No real mention of infighting amongst the Palestinians and the lack of democracy which once again falls back on Israel. Am I? Is there any evidence at all that the majority of civilians in Gaza support Hamas? No, because they have been denied the vote - by Hamas. Surely, if Hamas were even remotely sure of victory they would allow the vote to go ahead? They haven't. That implies they know support for them is in decline, and they risk losing the very tenuous grip they do have on power. All The Best You just need to see the streets lined with grinning faces as Israeli citizens were paraded on their way to imprisonment and/or torture. They may or may not be the majority but they are a significant number and they hold power. Not in Gaza do vast numbers turn out and say not in my name. You seem to be out of touch with reality. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 12:54:30 GMT
Am I? Is there any evidence at all that the majority of civilians in Gaza support Hamas? No, because they have been denied the vote - by Hamas. Surely, if Hamas were even remotely sure of victory they would allow the vote to go ahead? They haven't. That implies they know support for them is in decline, and they risk losing the very tenuous grip they do have on power. All The Best You just need to see the streets lined with grinning faces as Israeli citizens were paraded on their way to imprisonment and/or torture. They may or may not be the majority but they are a significant number and they hold power. Not in Gaza do vast numbers turn out and say not in my name. You seem to be out of touch with reality. Some Israelis also celebrate the death of Gazan non-combatants. Now, in Israel there are protests against Netanyahu's Right Wing Extremist Coalition; but that is because - as of yet - you don't get shot by the IDF for protesting against Netanyahu, I would not be shocked if that changes. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 15:40:59 GMT
You just need to see the streets lined with grinning faces as Israeli citizens were paraded on their way to imprisonment and/or torture. They may or may not be the majority but they are a significant number and they hold power. Not in Gaza do vast numbers turn out and say not in my name. You seem to be out of touch with reality. Some Israelis also celebrate the death of Gazan non-combatants. Now, in Israel there are protests against Netanyahu's Right Wing Extremist Coalition; but that is because - as of yet - you don't get shot by the IDF for protesting against Netanyahu, I would not be shocked if that changes. All The Best Yes, so where are the giant demonstrations against Hamas rule and the games they play with the lives of their own people. Very few care as they all know that the more Gazans that die the more they can stoke the hatred against Israel. Some Israelis celebrate, large numbers of Gazans turned out cheering and jeering. The first demonstrations in the UK in support of Oct 7 and before any fightback by Israel referred to a beautiful day. This was on 8 Oct www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/10/09/police-to-investigate-speech-at-palestinian-rally-in-brighton/ |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 16:48:16 GMT
Some Israelis also celebrate the death of Gazan non-combatants. Now, in Israel there are protests against Netanyahu's Right Wing Extremist Coalition; but that is because - as of yet - you don't get shot by the IDF for protesting against Netanyahu, I would not be shocked if that changes. All The Best Very few care as they all know that the more Gazans that die the more they can stoke the hatred against Israel. Some Israelis celebrate, large numbers of Gazans turned out cheering and jeering. The first demonstrations in the UK in support of Oct 7 and before any fightback by Israel referred to a beautiful day. This was on 8 Oct www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/10/09/police-to-investigate-speech-at-palestinian-rally-in-brighton/If they do that in Gaza they get shot. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 19:20:52 GMT
Yes, so where are the giant demonstrations against Hamas rule and the games they play with the lives of their own people. Very few care as they all know that the more Gazans that die the more they can stoke the hatred against Israel. Some Israelis celebrate, large numbers of Gazans turned out cheering and jeering. The first demonstrations in the UK in support of Oct 7 and before any fightback by Israel referred to a beautiful day. This was on 8 Oct www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/10/09/police-to-investigate-speech-at-palestinian-rally-in-brighton/ If they do that in Gaza they get shot. All The Best So Israel are trying to make them free by getting rid of Hamas who are hiding amongst civilians and children in the hopes that when collateral damage occurs they will get their way for a ceasefire to start again in a few years or months |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 19:44:00 GMT
If they do that in Gaza they get shot. All The Best So Israel are trying to make them free by getting rid of Hamas who are hiding amongst civilians and children in the hopes that when collateral damage occurs they will get their way for a ceasefire to start again in a few years or months Israel are trying to get rid of Hamas so Gazans and Palestinian have no "military force" to oppose Israel when it tries to illegally seize the rest of Palestine. Netanyahu's Far Right coalition partners have been quite clear: Israel will claim all the land from the river to the sea, know less provocatively as Eretz Israel, its modern usage going back at least as far as Jabotinski. Likud's official policy is that from the river to the sea shall exclusively be a Jewish State. Funny how if non-Israelis use that term it is racist, but when Far Right Israelis use it, that's just fine. All The Best |
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