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Post by piglet on Aug 6, 2024 9:21:34 GMT
When a black man died when a policeman kneed on his neck? A white policeman. America went barmy.
Now in Southport....x3. The etablishment are not fit to run owt.
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Post by piglet on Aug 11, 2024 10:14:17 GMT
There is no information on the murderer, his intentions, mental state, beliefs, his plan, his computer, afilliations, his mates, social life, religion.
They wont tell you.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
Then they moan about misinformation being spread, this is what happens when you try to cover up 'some' murders.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 12, 2024 6:30:12 GMT
It's seems very weird to me that a woman has been arrested for retweeting the (now known to be) misinformation about the name of the Southport "suspect". If the police are going to start monitoring the internet and arresting people posting misinformation they won't have time to deal with any real crime at all. Pointless.
But what about policing the BBC's misinformation? There is some point to that because so many people get their news from the BBC. Yet Jeremy Bowen repeated the claims of Hamas (a proscribed terrorist organisation) that the IDF (Israeli Defence Force) had blown up the hospital in Gaza, killing over 500 people. This caused a massive amount of trouble across the globe and led to many countries having to increase their terrorist alert state. It was a massive incitement to violence ro muslims around the world. But when we found out that it was Hamas who had blown up the hospital Bowen was asked to apologise and he refused. Sheer arrogance. I'd like to see him banged up.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 12, 2024 6:34:53 GMT
The Labour government relied on disinformation and passed it on as misinformation to start wars that killed millions. Yet, the police, who are fascists, are going around arresting innocent people for sharing something on social media.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2024 7:22:56 GMT
What I don’t dispute is that people like Blair have used false information to join a war with Bush which caused mayhem in the Middle East and the deaths of too many people,that led to the rise of isis and the numbers of religious nutters trying to kill us and more importantly the movement of people that has left us where we are today.
Halfwits throwing bricks and bottles at the police and trying to burn people alive will solve nothing and only weaken any effort to get people to listen.
I don’t believe the police are fascists nor partisan they have the job of upholding the law formulated by parliament,the only way to effect any change is through the ballot box ,nobody wants to listen to those that riot .
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 7:26:57 GMT
What I don’t dispute is that people like Blair have used false information to join a war with Bush which caused mayhem in the Middle East and the deaths of too many people,that led to the rise of isis and the numbers of religious nutters trying to kill us and more importantly the movement of people that has left us where we are today. Halfwits throwing bricks and bottles at the police and trying to burn people alive will solve nothing and only weaken any effort to get people to listen. I don’t believe the police are fascists nor partisan they have the job of upholding the law formulated by parliament, the only way to effect any change is through the ballot box ,nobody wants to listen to those that riot . fair point but.... over decades now the people have voted through the ballot box for political parties promising lower immigration.. last year we welcomed a record 1.2 Million migrants into the UK. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 12, 2024 7:31:08 GMT
What I don’t dispute is that people like Blair have used false information to join a war with Bush which caused mayhem in the Middle East and the deaths of too many people,that led to the rise of isis and the numbers of religious nutters trying to kill us and more importantly the movement of people that has left us where we are today. Halfwits throwing bricks and bottles at the police and trying to burn people alive will solve nothing and only weaken any effort to get people to listen. I don’t believe the police are fascists nor partisan they have the job of upholding the law formulated by parliament,the only way to effect any change is through the ballot box ,nobody wants to listen to those that riot . Blair/Bush destabilized the peace in the Middle East with their misinformation, seen as Labour are coming down hard on the online misinformation keyboard warriors, they should start looking closer to home first. It was Blair/Bush misinformation they started a illegal war in Iraq, to this very day Blair/Bush have never been held to account or faced any charges.
I am sure the victims and their families would love to hear why their loved ones lost their lives due to misinformation .....
179 British service personnel died serving in the war, 136 of them as a direct result of hostile action. Around 3,500 servicemen and women were injured, with an estimated 2,000 requiring some form of medical evacuation.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2024 7:45:35 GMT
What I don’t dispute is that people like Blair have used false information to join a war with Bush which caused mayhem in the Middle East and the deaths of too many people,that led to the rise of isis and the numbers of religious nutters trying to kill us and more importantly the movement of people that has left us where we are today. Halfwits throwing bricks and bottles at the police and trying to burn people alive will solve nothing and only weaken any effort to get people to listen. I don’t believe the police are fascists nor partisan they have the job of upholding the law formulated by parliament, the only way to effect any change is through the ballot box ,nobody wants to listen to those that riot . fair point but.... over decades now the people have voted through the ballot box for political parties promising lower immigration.. last year we welcomed a record 1.2 Million migrants into the UK. So it is obvious that the two main parties cannot be trusted to keep their promises so people need to vote for reform because reform of Westminster is long overdue. What I don’t dispute is that people like Blair have used false information to join a war with Bush which caused mayhem in the Middle East and the deaths of too many people,that led to the rise of isis and the numbers of religious nutters trying to kill us and more importantly the movement of people that has left us where we are today. Halfwits throwing bricks and bottles at the police and trying to burn people alive will solve nothing and only weaken any effort to get people to listen. I don’t believe the police are fascists nor partisan they have the job of upholding the law formulated by parliament,the only way to effect any change is through the ballot box ,nobody wants to listen to those that riot . Blair/Bush destabilized the peace in the Middle East with their misinformation, seen as Labour are coming down hard on the online misinformation keyboard warriors, they should start looking closer to home first. It was Blair/Bush misinformation they started a illegal war in Iraq, to this very day Blair/Bush have never been held to account or faced any charges.
I am sure the victims and their families would love to hear why their loved ones lost their lives due to misinformation .....
179 British service personnel died serving in the war, 136 of them as a direct result of hostile action. Around 3,500 servicemen and women were injured, with an estimated 2,000 requiring some form of medical evacuation.
And I doubt they ever will face any charges but their legacy has to be used to remind why we are where we are by politicians that aren’t afraid to do so. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 12, 2024 7:47:27 GMT
The fact that a young man (a youth) murdered three innocent children is to be condemned for what it is, and in this instance the fact that the culprit is black is completely irrelevant and has no bearing on the matter.
The fact that any police officer, anywhere, either kicks a suspect in the head, stamps on a suspects head, or kills a suspect by blocking his or her airway is also to be condemned, regardless of what colour that suspect is.
There IS NOT two sides here, the issues been debated are not binary, both acts are wrong, children should be safe, murder is wrong, but the murder of children is particularly heartbreaking. What happened in the United States to a black criminal suspect was also murder, and what happened at Manchester Airport will probably result in charges or convictions of assault.
There is a very strong perception in the United States that the default reasoning or standard assumption is Black = Criminal, and because of this, many innocent people have been shot and killed. You cannot argue against this perception because there are far too many instances where this has happened - teenage boys assumed to be burglars, shot dead .. etc etc.
Some police forces in the United States have been guilty of profiling suspects based on colour, and we all know the history of race relations in some parts of the United States, and its not very good.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 12, 2024 7:51:47 GMT
Yes. Blair has a lot to answer for - and Alistair Campbell too. The war in Iraq was patently illegal. More to the point it was obvious to anyone who knew anything about the ME that removing Saddam would be hugely destabilising. Crazy. Yet the BBC seem to regard Blair and Campbell as gurus. They're always having them on to give their ludicrous opinions. Both should be in jail.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 8:03:37 GMT
The fact that a young man (a youth) murdered three innocent children is to be condemned for what it is, and in this instance the fact that the culprit is black is completely irrelevant and has no bearing on the matter. The fact that any police officer, anywhere, either kicks a suspect in the head, stamps on a suspects head, or kills a suspect by blocking his or her airway is also to be condemned, regardless of what colour that suspect is. There IS NOT two sides here, the issues been debated are not binary, both acts are wrong, children should be safe, murder is wrong, but the murder of children is particularly heartbreaking. What happened in the United States to a black criminal suspect was also murder, and what happened at Manchester Airport will probably result in charges or convictions of assault. There is a very strong perception in the United States that the default reasoning or standard assumption is Black = Criminal, and because of this, many innocent people have been shot and killed. You cannot argue against this perception because there are far too many instances where this has happened - teenage boys assumed to be burglars, shot dead .. etc etc. Some police forces in the United States have been guilty of profiling suspects based on colour, and we all know the history of race relations in some parts of the United States, and its not very good. Our laws actually encourage and in some instances enforce profiling based on race yet this appears to be just fine and dandy with the left. Two people go for an interview and it is difficult to choose between them the law focuses on the ethnicity of each and encourages, and sometimes demands, that the interviewee can make a selection based on the racial profile of the candidates and all the assumptions as regards advantage and disadvantage contained therein. Yet you say profiling is intrinsically wrong. I smell hypocrisy in all its leftish glory. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 12, 2024 8:06:19 GMT
Yes. Blair has a lot to answer for - and Alistair Campbell too. The war in Iraq was patently illegal. More to the point it was obvious to anyone who knew anything about the ME that removing Saddam would be hugely destabilising. Crazy. Yet the BBC seem to regard Blair and Campbell as gurus. They're always having them on to give their ludicrous opinions. Both should be in jail. Saddam was a dictator, but sometimes these places need dictators or they would be completely lawless and out of control, which we now know to be fact.
Whether we like it or not Putin, Kim Jong Un keep the people under control, when you have a weak leader law and order breaks down .... which we now know to be a fact with Starmer.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 12, 2024 8:09:04 GMT
The fact that a young man (a youth) murdered three innocent children is to be condemned for what it is, and in this instance the fact that the culprit is black is completely irrelevant and has no bearing on the matter. I'm not so sure about that. IMO one of the reasons that this crime triggered so much anger is that it came after a number of other nasty knife crimes which had all been committed by blacks - the killings in Nottingham and the attempted murder of that army officer. There is a perception that certain groups of people are massively over-represented in some crimes. It's difficult to substantiate that with ONS figures because I don't think they keep these figures. I remember that Rod Liddle got censured for saying that 90% of knife crime in London was perpetrated by Black youths. However, looking at any subject from a scientific point of view, if you find an over-representation of a certain group in any activity, it most certainly is NOT necessarily "completely irrelevant". Science is based on finding correlations and over-representations and then trying to establish the cause (if any). There is a "perception" here that the govt/police are trying to cover up the truth about what's going on - and that's what's causing even more anger. Whether that perception is correct is the question. But we need proper data. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2024 8:13:13 GMT
The fact that a young man (a youth) murdered three innocent children is to be condemned for what it is, and in this instance the fact that the culprit is black is completely irrelevant and has no bearing on the matter. The fact that any police officer, anywhere, either kicks a suspect in the head, stamps on a suspects head, or kills a suspect by blocking his or her airway is also to be condemned, regardless of what colour that suspect is. There IS NOT two sides here, the issues been debated are not binary, both acts are wrong, children should be safe, murder is wrong, but the murder of children is particularly heartbreaking. What happened in the United States to a black criminal suspect was also murder, and what happened at Manchester Airport will probably result in charges or convictions of assault. There is a very strong perception in the United States that the default reasoning or standard assumption is Black = Criminal, and because of this, many innocent people have been shot and killed. You cannot argue against this perception because there are far too many instances where this has happened - teenage boys assumed to be burglars, shot dead .. etc etc. Some police forces in the United States have been guilty of profiling suspects based on colour, and we all know the history of race relations in some parts of the United States, and it’s not very good. The police in the US have little to do with our situation and police here. The point you are missing though is that the events at Manchester airport were twisted at the outset not least by people on here calling the police thugs and racists nor a large crowd assembling outside of GMP’s divisional hq in Rochdale shouting abuse and threatening violence if they did not get their justice. People tried to say that because there was no violence it is different to what happened with the so called far right,it isn’t and it was obvious that officers in Rochdale were ordered not to confront that mob and it was hastily announced an officer would face criminal investigation the mob must never be allowed to dictate but it’s not gone unnoticed that one mob did dictate. When new footage emerged it was apparent that it was not all as portrayed and still some of those calling the rioters for jumping to conclusions regards the murders in Southport continued to do the same regards Manchester airport and the police don’t they? (See above in bold) it’s doubles all round double standards that is,so ready to condemn the rioters who were clearly not in possession of all the facts but then go on to decide that police officers are culpable again when not in possession of all the facts. |
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