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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 5:45:29 GMT
I see Starmer has doubled down on his laughable "far Right" narrative. Silly boy. There may be a "yob" element to the demonstrations but the main point of the demonstrations is to protest about mass uncontrolled immigration. And that's not far Right - it's just the opinion of the vast majority of the British public.But the reason why it's suddenly kicked off is because the new Labour govt has wasted no time in signalling its intention to do nothing about mass immigration: I don't recall such riots when we had right of center governments. Your reason why it kicked off is just your own personal political bias at work. Labour do have have an alternative approach to the problem which is to attack the problem at source i.e. go after the boat gangs who are shipping the migrants to the UK. That can't be done overnight, lets hope it doesn't take as long as the unsuccessful Rwanda project to start producing results. If you are claiming there are no far right knob-heads then you are simply wrong. An MI5 spokesperson pointed out about 4 years ago (I posted the information on the last forum I was on, and IIRC on this forum) that the increase in far right posts on social media amongst young people, including some as young as 13, was of growing concern. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 5:52:01 GMT
I see Starmer has doubled down on his laughable "far Right" narrative. Silly boy. There may be a "yob" element to the demonstrations but the main point of the demonstrations is to protest about mass uncontrolled immigration. And that's not far Right - it's just the opinion of the vast majority of the British public. But the reason why it's suddenly kicked off is because the new Labour govt has wasted no time in signalling its intention to do nothing about mass immigration: - It's immediately abandoned the Rwanda policy which could be a reasonable deterrent if we could get through the legal objections. In doing so they have also just thrown away about half a billion of taxpayers' money. - They've cancelled the Bibi Stockholm barge so the people on it will have to be put up in more hotels. - They've also abandoned the policy of requiring that legal migrants earn enough money to live without benefits. Under the Tories the required salary was to be increased to £38k (IIRC) but now it's to be left at about £26k - which will mean they'll be elgible for benefits. Crazy. - And it seems Starmer is going to accept that the EU can send us a quota of "illegals" in return for stopping the boats. For a start that will mean we accept more muslim illegals then we're getting now - and it almost certainly won't stop the boats anyway. I think people have looked at Labour's attitude to immigration and deduced that Labour is basically in favour of no borders, which is a disaster. Starmer appears to think people are stupid. And - just to add insult to injury - Starmer has found £30 million to help protect the mosques. And most of the hard-line mosques now carry extremist literature and preach hate - as the police discovered at the Didcot mosque. The British people have no responsibility to protect the mosques. Also I see that Starmer has said nothing about the muslim gangs (e.g. in Bolton) who are going out and attacking white people with sticks etc. This is perfectly OK apparently - just like the assault of police officers, provided you're muslim of course. But Starmer would rather blame everything on the mythical far Right. So Tommy Robinson is to blame for everything - or should I say Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. It's funny how the Left are scrupulous about getting people's pronouns right but when a person they don't like has changed their name they refuse to use his new name. Yet if you'd changed your sex they'd use your new name. Yep. Starmer is an extreme left ideologue with no appreciation of, nor interest in, the concerns of the majority whom he considers to be both thick and wrong.
This government will end in bloodshed.
Such silly opinions only succeed in feeding the problem in the minds of some people, and are very likely to increase the violence by some who agree with you. And that's not very clever of you. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 5:56:02 GMT
I think the mosques will eventually go up in flames. If it is not this time, there will be another brutal murder soon. Starmer is fucked. He has let ideology override reason. What utter nonsense ^^. I suggest you get yourself a new crystal ball because your old one is defunct. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 6:00:07 GMT
Its the whole shebang, immigration has lowered the standard of living of everybody, bankrupted us, choked roads, schools, etc, its riots over how badly this country is being run, and that the man in the street comes second to immigrants. The girls were the straw that broke the camels back, god knows where we go from here, Starmer has signed his resignation letter. You cant bat against your own side. So why didn't it happen under successive right of centre governments? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 6, 2024 7:04:28 GMT
I see Starmer has doubled down on his laughable "far Right" narrative. Silly boy. There may be a "yob" element to the demonstrations but the main point of the demonstrations is to protest about mass uncontrolled immigration. And that's not far Right - it's just the opinion of the vast majority of the British public.But the reason why it's suddenly kicked off is because the new Labour govt has wasted no time in signalling its intention to do nothing about mass immigration: I don't recall such riots when we had right of center governments. Your reason why it kicked off is just your own personal political bias at work. Labour do have have an alternative approach to the problem which is to attack the problem at source i.e. go after the boat gangs who are shipping the migrants to the UK. That can't be done overnight, lets hope it doesn't take as long as the unsuccessful Rwanda project to start producing results. If you are claiming there are no far right knob-heads then you are simply wrong. An MI5 spokesperson pointed out about 4 years ago (I posted the information on the last forum I was on, and IIRC on this forum) that the increase in far right posts on social media amongst young people, including some as young as 13, was of growing concern. The source of the immigration problem is not the traffickers - it's the fact that this country has wide open borders and pays very good benefits - it also tolerates a thriving black market. The traffickers are simply taking advantage of the demand from woúld-be illegal immigrants. Milton Friedman said you can have a welfare state OR open borders - not both. Pretty obvious really. If you lock up some people traffickers it has no effect on the demand for their services so others will simply take their place. Labour have never understood how the market works. And I don't think the people who are rioting are far Right. The basic reason for the "demonstrations" is that people have had enough of mass immigration. There are many who think that anyone who wants to cut immigration is a far Right xenophobe, but they're not. The fact is that at the current rate of ímmigration we need to build a city the size of Bristol every year to house them. Even if Labour are able to deliver 300,000 houses/year (which will never happen) it won't be enough to even house the immigrants. So the current level of immigration is unsustainable. There's nothing wrong with people demonstrating about our open doors immigration policy. The problem is that these demoes always seem to attract either trouble makers (just yobs with no political affiliation at all) and aggressive Lefties who regard them as "racists" for wanting to control immigration and they also stir up trouble. It's NOT the far Right. What you say about MI5 is also very confused. MI5 have files on over 40,000 muslims which is many more than they can monitor. They were also told by the govt that they needed to monitor the far Right - basically because the muslims were fed up with being victimised - so they're now having to monitor the far Right. However, to the best of my knowledge the far Right haven't yet killed anybody, whereas the muslims have killed thousands of people across the globe and continue to do so. |
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Post by piglet on Aug 6, 2024 9:15:33 GMT
SEE2 Because the left dominatees, conservatism does not exist.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 6, 2024 10:02:08 GMT
I think the mosques will eventually go up in flames. If it is not this time, there will be another brutal murder soon. Starmer is fucked. He has let ideology override reason. What utter nonsense ^^. I suggest you get yourself a new crystal ball because your old one is defunct. I suggest you provide some reasoning to your claim that I'm talking nonsense, or else I'm liable to think the nonsense is coming from you. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 10:15:50 GMT
I don't recall such riots when we had right of center governments. Your reason why it kicked off is just your own personal political bias at work. Labour do have have an alternative approach to the problem which is to attack the problem at source i.e. go after the boat gangs who are shipping the migrants to the UK. That can't be done overnight, lets hope it doesn't take as long as the unsuccessful Rwanda project to start producing results. If you are claiming there are no far right knob-heads then you are simply wrong. An MI5 spokesperson pointed out about 4 years ago (I posted the information on the last forum I was on, and IIRC on this forum) that the increase in far right posts on social media amongst young people, including some as young as 13, was of growing concern. - it also tolerates a thriving black market. The traffickers are simply taking advantage of the demand from woúld-be illegal immigrants. Milton Friedman said you can have a welfare state OR open borders - not both. Pretty obvious really. If you lock up some people traffickers it has no effect on the demand for their services so others will simply take their place. Labour have never understood how the market works. And I don't think the people who are rioting are far Right. The basic reason for the "demonstrations" is that people have had enough of mass immigration. There are many who think that anyone who wants to cut immigration is a far Right xenophobe, but they're not. The fact is that at the current rate of ímmigration we need to build a city the size of Bristol every year to house them. Even if Labour are able to deliver 300,000 houses/year (which will never happen) it won't be enough to even house the immigrants. So the current level of immigration is unsustainable. There's nothing wrong with people demonstrating about our open doors immigration policy. The problem is that these demoes always seem to attract either trouble makers (just yobs with no political affiliation at all) and aggressive Lefties who regard them as "racists" for wanting to control immigration and they also stir up trouble. It's NOT the far Right. What you say about MI5 is also very confused. MI5 have files on over 40,000 muslims which is many more than they can monitor. They were also told by the govt that they needed to monitor the far Right - basically because the muslims were fed up with being victimised - so they're now having to monitor the far Right. However, to the best of my knowledge the far Right haven't yet killed anybody, whereas the muslims have killed thousands of people across the globe and continue to do so. That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, clearly Starmer disagrees with you. He has to do something about the problem, you don't, nor can you. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 10:25:01 GMT
What utter nonsense ^^. I suggest you get yourself a new crystal ball because your old one is defunct. or else I'm liable to think the nonsense is coming from you. Certainly, just as soon as you explain your reasoning behind your outlandish claims in the post I replied to. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 10:34:43 GMT
SEE2 Because the left dominatees, conservatism does not exist. Nah, because Rightists take every opportunity to make things look and be worse under Labour. Just read some of the posts by the sad Rightists on this forum. I don't think you will understand because, IMO you are owned by your learnt emotional bias which you have against Labour. Maybe you should learn to understand that feelings do not think nor can they apply logic. They are hormonal reactions. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 6, 2024 10:58:00 GMT
I suggest you provide some reasoning to your claim that I'm talking nonsense, or else I'm liable to think the nonsense is coming from you. Certainly, just as soon as you explain your reasoning behind your outlandish claims in the post I replied to. It is not just the same. I say many things on here and if I had to provide full backup for everything I said then my posts would be intolerably long and unreadable. Therefore I assume some common knowledge and understanding of the reader. I will often provide reasoning where the reason is rather hidden and unobvious, but to state the obvious is mildly bad manners. It treats the reader as an idiot.
With this in mind, you can not expect me to state the obvious to you on each occasion, but you are welcome to ask. What you did here is insult me but had no reason to do so. You think you are right and I'm wrong and that we should all obey your diktat.
Now don't be so silly and childish and let us know politely why the mosques will not end their life in a charred cinder rather than say the council deciding to knock them down to please the people. The evidence so far seems to point in my direction. The way to do it is to use rockets as incendiary devices. This seems to be the method of choice currently. A home used to house asylum seekers in Wales was burnt down in a similar way.
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Post by see2 on Aug 6, 2024 14:57:07 GMT
Certainly, just as soon as you explain your reasoning behind your outlandish claims in the post I replied to. It is not just the same. I say many things on here and if I had to provide full backup for everything I said then my posts would be intolerably long and unreadable. Therefore I assume some common knowledge and understanding of the reader. I will often provide reasoning where the reason is rather hidden and unobvious, but to state the obvious is mildly bad manners. It treats the reader as an idiot.
With this in mind, you can not expect me to state the obvious to you on each occasion, but you are welcome to ask. What you did here is insult me but had no reason to do so. You think you are right and I'm wrong and that we should all obey your diktat.
Now don't be so silly and childish and let us know politely why the mosques will not end their life in a charred cinder rather than say the council deciding to knock them down to please the people. The evidence so far seems to point in my direction. The way to do it is to use rockets as incendiary devices. This seems to be the method of choice currently. A home used to house asylum seekers in Wales was burnt down in a similar way.
A purely diversional silly and childish post ^^. You made a very strong accusation which you now refuse to back up. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 6, 2024 15:02:05 GMT
Well if you were in any doubt two tier Starmer was guilty of double standard policing hypocrisy, here's all the proof you need.... he's a utter disgrace.
UK riots: Keir Starmer refuses to outright condemn Birmingham Palestine mob attacksExpress.co.uk contacted Number 10 and the Home Office this morning to ask if the two leaders would specifically condemn scenes in Birmingham yesterday when a mob of Palestine flag waving men were filmed attacking a lone man outside a pub and surrounding a car which had a window smashed. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1932803/uk-riots-pm-home-secretary |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 6, 2024 15:39:09 GMT
Well if you were in any doubt two tier Starmer was guilty of double standard policing hypocrisy, here's all the proof you need.... he's a utter disgrace.
UK riots: Keir Starmer refuses to outright condemn Birmingham Palestine mob attacksExpress.co.uk contacted Number 10 and the Home Office this morning to ask if the two leaders would specifically condemn scenes in Birmingham yesterday when a mob of Palestine flag waving men were filmed attacking a lone man outside a pub and surrounding a car which had a window smashed. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1932803/uk-riots-pm-home-secretaryStarmer and the police are frightened of calling out aggressive muslims, and aggressive muslims know it. Two tier policing is a reality, which does not bode well for future peace and harmony. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 6, 2024 15:45:54 GMT
Well if you were in any doubt two tier Starmer was guilty of double standard policing hypocrisy, here's all the proof you need.... he's a utter disgrace.
UK riots: Keir Starmer refuses to outright condemn Birmingham Palestine mob attacksExpress.co.uk contacted Number 10 and the Home Office this morning to ask if the two leaders would specifically condemn scenes in Birmingham yesterday when a mob of Palestine flag waving men were filmed attacking a lone man outside a pub and surrounding a car which had a window smashed. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1932803/uk-riots-pm-home-secretaryStarmer and the police are frightened of calling out aggressive muslims, and aggressive muslims know it. Two tier policing is a reality, which does not bode well for future peace and harmony. And two tier policing resulted in the Islamic nonce gang scandal.
We haven't forgotten it.
And there's a reason why Labour's vote was so low in the election.
They may have a majority, but that doesn't mean we like them.
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