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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 9:20:54 GMT
Soft sentences for White Rioters: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9900dmxzd8oTwo Months for being involved in a racially motivated riot, and causing criminal damage while doing so is an utter joke. The second guy, involved in public disorder, and in possession of a class A drugs doesn't even go to prison. Those people targeted by these vile scum will, quite rightly, feel let down by the criminal justice system.
All The Best I think they will feel the same as a lot of people who have gone through the same for many years.. Well of course they have: that is what happens when you have nearly 15 years of Tory ideological cuts to the Police, the Courts, and the Prison System. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 9:21:39 GMT
So if that is what you believe what do you propose should be done? Defund the police? Wasn't that the cry? Only Anarcho-Criminals want that. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 9:23:46 GMT
Because diversity indicates that black people will be more resistant to arrest. They may be ten times more resistant to arrest but because of two tier policing it only materialises in four times more force. As I keep saying it is not always whitey's fault, How does diversity indicate that black people will be more resistant to arrest? I never said it was "always whitey's fault". You asked as regards outcomes. I am pontificating that if diversity is accepted as existing, and it is, then that will not always be a positive attribute. You use the stats and assume that all people are the same yet the police experience, the police instruction is to accept that not all people are the same which means that some groups will be treated differently than others. The clear instruction is to be more considerate of BAME suspects and victims, that was exactly what McPherson recommended. If they have followed that instruction then the outcomes we see are a reflection of diversity and not of how we are all equal. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 9:24:08 GMT
But why would we see such outcomes as "Met Police 'four times more likely' to use force on black people" in a police force that favours minorities? Why would we see said police officers idly standing by watching Muslims (not specifically blac) intimidating, threatening and attacking Jews, and ignoring issues with grooming gangs in the north if they don't favour certain ethnic minorities, or why haven't we seen those Pakistani men charged with assault after breaking a female police officers nose? Arrests were made at pro Palestinian marches and we didn't see anything like the levels of violence there that we've seen in the riots of the last week or so: "Three police hurt and 40 arrests at pro-Palestinian march in London" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c511repj004oRochdale grooming gang members were jailed: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67279790I'm not sure what case you're referring to in your last sentence. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 9:24:26 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gg123ydqoTwo suspects, who are minors, not publicly named by the Courts. Can we now expect riots, outright lies, and speculation simply because the Court carried out its legal duty NOT to name Minors. Surely if we don't see such it will mean the rioters are hypocrites as well as racists? All The Best Did they go on a stabbing frenzy or something? Does the crime matter? No, it doesn't. The Law says the identity of a Minor should be protected. Although if they had succeeded in their attempt to burn down an entire Hotel to force the occupants out on to the street to face Mob-Justice I am willing to bet the death toll would a) have included children, and b) been higher than 3. Any other way you can think of to defend what you deep down know is indefensible? All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 9:32:03 GMT
How does diversity indicate that black people will be more resistant to arrest? I never said it was "always whitey's fault". You asked as regards outcomes. I am pontificating that if diversity is accepted as existing, and it is, then that will not always be a positive attribute. You use the stats and assume that all people are the same yet the police experience, the police instruction is to accept that not all people are the same which means that some groups will be treated differently than others. The clear instruction is to be more considerate of BAME suspects and victims, that was exactly what McPherson recommended. If they have followed that instruction then the outcomes we see are a reflection of diversity and not of how we are all equal. Diversity does exist or are you denying the existence of things like ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc? The McPherson report never recommended skewing law enforcement in favor of ethnic minorities as far as I'm aware. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 9:35:26 GMT
Did they go on a stabbing frenzy or something? Does the crime matter? No, it doesn't. The Law says the identity of a Minor should be protected. Although if they had succeeded in their attempt to burn down an entire Hotel to force the occupants out on to the street to face Mob-Justice I am willing to bet the death toll would a) have included children, and b) been higher than 3. Any other way you can think of to defend what you deep down know is indefensible? All The Best Indeed but we can assume that the description would be white as the rioting is described as far right and racist quite openly by police, commentators and keyboard warriors. We know very well that if black or brown people had been involved then that would never be said. You have to look at it in the round and the common experience and perception that surrounds defending community cohesion. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 9:38:47 GMT
You asked as regards outcomes. I am pontificating that if diversity is accepted as existing, and it is, then that will not always be a positive attribute. You use the stats and assume that all people are the same yet the police experience, the police instruction is to accept that not all people are the same which means that some groups will be treated differently than others. The clear instruction is to be more considerate of BAME suspects and victims, that was exactly what McPherson recommended. If they have followed that instruction then the outcomes we see are a reflection of diversity and not of how we are all equal. Diversity does exist or are you denying the existence of things like ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc? The McPherson report never recommended skewing law enforcement in favor of ethnic minorities as far as I'm aware. No but I am asking why diversity is promoted as good and something to be valued by all and especially the police. The Mcpherson report did exactly that where the police were instructed to consider ethnicity and value diversity in both suspects and victims and were expected to act differently. dependant on the ethnicity of both. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2024 9:40:58 GMT
Did they go on a stabbing frenzy or something? Does the crime matter? No, it doesn't. The Law says the identity of a Minor should be protected. Although if they had succeeded in their attempt to burn down an entire Hotel to force the occupants out on to the street to face Mob-Justice I am willing to bet the death toll would a) have included children, and b) been higher than 3. Any other way you can think of to defend what you deep down know is indefensible? All The Best Tipping a bin over or lobbing a brick doesn't compare to stabbing three little girls. Of course it matters. Even the judge realised that in the Southport case. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 9:47:48 GMT
Does the crime matter? No, it doesn't. The Law says the identity of a Minor should be protected. Although if they had succeeded in their attempt to burn down an entire Hotel to force the occupants out on to the street to face Mob-Justice I am willing to bet the death toll would a) have included children, and b) been higher than 3. Any other way you can think of to defend what you deep down know is indefensible? All The Best Indeed but we can assume that the description would be white as the rioting is described as far right and racist quite openly by police, commentators and keyboard warriors. We know very well that if black or brown people had been involved then that would never be said. You have to look at it in the round and the common experience and perception that surrounds defending community cohesion. Do we? You may think that if all you read is Far Right propaganda on Social Media and the right-wing press. I read everything from the Mail and Telegraph to the Independent and Guardian - it gives me a more rounded view, and I competely avoid most social media, as it is full of loons spewing bile and lies. Please tell me, exactly, how attempting to burn down a hotel with people in it, and attacking the Police when they try and stop you, helps "defend community cohesion"? All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 10:36:26 GMT
Indeed but we can assume that the description would be white as the rioting is described as far right and racist quite openly by police, commentators and keyboard warriors. We know very well that if black or brown people had been involved then that would never be said. You have to look at it in the round and the common experience and perception that surrounds defending community cohesion. Do we? You may think that if all you read is Far Right propaganda on Social Media and the right-wing press. I read everything from the Mail and Telegraph to the Independent and Guardian - it gives me a more rounded view, and I competely avoid most social media, as it is full of loons spewing bile and lies. Please tell me, exactly, how attempting to burn down a hotel with people in it, and attacking the Police when they try and stop you, helps "defend community cohesion"? All The Best It doesn't but restricting the flow and directing the conclusions in information is well known as a necessary consideration in community cohesion. The rioters are defined as white by both labels and visual evidence. The ethnicity of a suspect of any age can be clearly guessed. Guessing the ethnicity of the suspect in Southport was left to the imagination and as in so many cases that imagination was proved correct despite he is from Wales statements. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 10:45:01 GMT
Do we? You may think that if all you read is Far Right propaganda on Social Media and the right-wing press. I read everything from the Mail and Telegraph to the Independent and Guardian - it gives me a more rounded view, and I competely avoid most social media, as it is full of loons spewing bile and lies. Please tell me, exactly, how attempting to burn down a hotel with people in it, and attacking the Police when they try and stop you, helps "defend community cohesion"? All The Best It doesn't Then why continue to defend it? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 11:04:51 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c624r77gnm2oThis is what happens when just 7% of the population enable terrorists by refusing to condemn them. Stop adding fuel to the fire, or we will end up with a lawless third-world country, and it won't have been immigrant who made it happen. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 11:12:55 GMT
Then why continue to defend it? All The Best Where do I defend it? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 7, 2024 11:40:02 GMT
Then why continue to defend it? All The Best Where do I defend it? Every time you make an excuse for it and don't condemn it for the racist violence it quite clearly is. All The Best |
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