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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 30, 2024 9:15:50 GMT
From the IFS:
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 30, 2024 9:20:23 GMT
I haven't discussed it since the announcement, but she doesn't need it to pay her gas or electric bill, but she still receives it, at a higher rate too, simply because of her age. She's always wondered why she gets it. I'm sure she will be OK with losing it. LOL.... come off it andrea, you know full well if this was the Tories punishing OAPs you and the rest of the lefties on here would be up arms, we'd hear all the stuff we use to hear about the Tories ...pensioners it's a choice between .... heat or eat .. the wicked nasty Tory party ... because it's Labour well OAPs don't need the extra cash anyway .... FFS. It's only your binary world that labels anyone who disagrees with you "a lefty". That's just a lazy way of thinking. Try to think through the arguments without putting labels. Nor am I "up in arms" about this. You are in favour of lower welfare. You object to people receiving welfare that is not needed. Are either of these statements untrue?
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 10:51:59 GMT
£22 Billion 'black hole' in some sort of context.
Since the GE Labour have announced £8 Billion for GB Energy, £7 Billion for a National Wealth Fund, £9 Billion for above inflation public sector pay awards and £11 Billion for International Climate Aid.
If this 'black hole' exists because of Tory overspending it doesn't seem to be making much of an impact on current spending decisions.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 30, 2024 11:13:23 GMT
From the same webpage (which you did not reference) my highlight - sod the client , it's run for the staff And with both the NHS and the social care system under pressure and with unhappiness about the current model of funding, the government may still see itself having to find substantial funds for social care services further down the line. Indeed without reform it is difficult to discern what Labour’s proposed ‘National Care Service’ will entail beyond an aim for better terms and conditions for staff.”
ifs.org.uk/articles/ifs-response-rachel-reeves-spending-audit#:~:text=Advanced%20British%20Standard-,IFS%20Director%20Paul%20Johnson,cash%20would%20be%20required%20eventually.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 30, 2024 11:21:38 GMT
LOL.... come off it andrea, you know full well if this was the Tories punishing OAPs you and the rest of the lefties on here would be up arms, we'd hear all the stuff we use to hear about the Tories ...pensioners it's a choice between .... heat or eat .. the wicked nasty Tory party ... because it's Labour well OAPs don't need the extra cash anyway .... FFS. It's only your binary world that labels anyone who disagrees with you "a lefty". That's just a lazy way of thinking. Try to think through the arguments without putting labels. Nor am I "up in arms" about this. You are in favour of lower welfare. You object to people receiving welfare that is not needed. Are either of these statements untrue? I'm massively in favour of lower handouts for those of working age who can't be ar*sd to work . Probably at least 50% of those currently living off the private sector taxpayer - yes this does include the allegedly 'disabled'' unless they are figuratively paraplegic or sitting on the floor rocking and wailing 24/7. And pay them in vouchers for specific items- no cash , exchangeable in major supermarkets only. Another method of increasing pressure on the lazyitisis would be to restrict handouts to a maximum period during working age - say from 18-66 out of work benefits may only be claimed for an absolute maximum of 5 years (260 weeks ) in total .
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 30, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
Do you honestly think my mum is the only pensioner who receives WFA but doesn't need it? 🤷 Do you honestly think that there are no pensioners who will lose WFA but still need it ? See I can do that. We can’t base who gets the heating allowance on your mum. No matter how much you seem to want to On the Guido site is a clip of Sir Shifty Kneeler crying fake tears about his concerns for the problems of pensioners keeping warm youtu.be/fBV--KObaHA
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 30, 2024 11:40:37 GMT
LOL... notice the lefty Mirror hasn't mentioned about Reeves Scrooge leaving pensioners to choose between heat or eat in the winter, if it the Tories the Mirror would have it front headline.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 30, 2024 11:55:05 GMT
So we knew Labour would cave in, the doctors strike was orchestrated to bring down the Tory government ...... we all know that.
Right so dickhead has agreed 22% pay rise, he caved in just like Blair, but this time dickhead had a chance to implement 'with conditions' like Blair failed to do with GP contracts.
Get the lazy arse fuckers 'WORKING' clear the backlog they have caused playing politics, and deliver a decent service, then tackle the lazy arse fuckin useless GPs WFH, who have brought A&E departments to BREAKING POINT.
As one who has donned a white coat and walked the back passageways of a hospital as a research tech, i feel it necessary to expose the flaw in your argument Which is that junior doctors play almost no part in the fustercluck that is ALL FOUR NHS’s The waiting lists are the length they are because consultants like it that way The A&E ambulance waiting times are down to shortages of beds Yes ok SOME of the delay is thanks to numbers of junior doctors, but this is by no stretch of imagination as bad as the other causes
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 30, 2024 12:19:28 GMT
I've no problem with this pay rise, NHS staff should be paid the market rate (ie enough to recruit and retain).
It's the lies I have a problem is. Pretending they earn the same as shelf-stackers, or that nurses live off foodbanks. Just state the actual facts, we cannot recruit and retain staff and we x amount to remedy that.
Again, they are lying saying that reform is going to save the NHS. The only thing that will save the NHS is shifting the population onto healthier lifestyles. Grow some fucking balls Starmer, and tell these fat fuckers to lose some weight! He could start with himself lol.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 30, 2024 12:29:01 GMT
So we knew Labour would cave in, the doctors strike was orchestrated to bring down the Tory government ...... we all know that.
Right so dickhead has agreed 22% pay rise, he caved in just like Blair, but this time dickhead had a chance to implement 'with conditions' like Blair failed to do with GP contracts.
Get the lazy arse fuckers 'WORKING' clear the backlog they have caused playing politics, and deliver a decent service, then tackle the lazy arse fuckin useless GPs WFH, who have brought A&E departments to BREAKING POINT.
As one who has donned a white coat and walked the back passageways of a hospital as a research tech, i feel it necessary to expose the flaw in your argument Which is that junior doctors play almost no part in the fustercluck that is ALL FOUR NHS’s The waiting lists are the length they are because consultants like it that way The A&E ambulance waiting times are down to shortages of beds Yes ok SOME of the delay is thanks to numbers of junior doctors, but this is by no stretch of imagination as bad as the other causes The shortage of beds in a combination of things, GPs who wont do home visits, care homes that can't be arsed and stick them in hospitals just for the amount of time they stop being paid for them, then bring them back for a few more weeks and put them back in again, not sure how many weeks but the care homes have it off to a pat.
Also junior doctors can basically pick and choose their working hours, leaving the hospitals under staffed, and longer waiting lists, probably one of the main reasons the NHS is packed to the rafters with foreign staff.... it's a gravy train.
For junior doctors, it means: working hours have been reduced from an average of 56 per week to 48, calculated over a period of 26 weeks. Doctors can choose to work additional hours if they wish. a period of 11 hours continuous rest a day (or compensatory rest to be taken another time if this is not achieved)
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 12:58:37 GMT
Do you honestly think that there are no pensioners who will lose WFA but still need it ? See I can do that. We can’t base who gets the heating allowance on your mum. No matter how much you seem to want to On the Guido site is a clip of Sir Shifty Kneeler crying fake tears about his concerns for the problems of pensioners keeping warm youtu.be/fBV--KObaHABrings tears to your eyes dunnit? Well the poor dears on pension credit can still get a few quid but those who don’t are too well off , so fuck em, eh Kier?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 30, 2024 13:04:35 GMT
On the Guido site is a clip of Sir Shifty Kneeler crying fake tears about his concerns for the problems of pensioners keeping warm youtu.be/fBV--KObaHABrings tears to your eyes dunnit? Well the poor dears on pension credit can still get a few quid but those who don’t are too well off , so fuck em, eh Kier? I reckon the thinking at Labour HQ is: Public sector workers are likely to be Labour voters so give them a pay rise. Pensioners are likely to be Tory voters, so fuck em.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 30, 2024 13:10:26 GMT
Brings tears to your eyes dunnit? Well the poor dears on pension credit can still get a few quid but those who don’t are too well off , so fuck em, eh Kier? I reckon the thinking at Labour HQ is: Public sector workers are likely to be Labour voters so give them a pay rise. Pensioners are likely to be Tory voters, so fuck em. Spot on, that's exactly what they are thinking, also they want to sweeten up the young voters, they know the pensioners wont vote for them because they will do exactly what they are doing, strip them of their pensions, savings and assets, what these idiot junior doctors and NHS staff haven't realised that one day they'll be retiring and the pensions they are paying in to now will be worthless under Labour, unlike Starmer who has a Gold Plated Pension pot.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 13:11:01 GMT
Brings tears to your eyes dunnit? Well the poor dears on pension credit can still get a few quid but those who don’t are too well off , so fuck em, eh Kier? I reckon the thinking at Labour HQ is: Public sector workers are likely to be Labour voters so give them a pay rise. Pensioners are likely to be Tory voters, so fuck em. Indeed. Give it a few years and they will be pressuring house owning pensioners to take out equity . ” Pension credit? You need to borrow a few grand from your house before you get that “.
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Post by bancroft on Jul 30, 2024 13:29:42 GMT
So are you saying for any smaller independent food provider anywhere in the country they must pay £11.44 per hour and how long has this been the case? The minimum wage came in 1998, nearly 30 years ago! The rate is increased each April. I do remember push back from companies though not sure when anyway a quick search shows govt records on companies being fined over 500 in 2024 including a council and a branch of Greggs. www.gov.uk/government/news/over-500-companies-named-for-not-paying-minimum-wageI wonder how this impacts future recruitment does it reduce headcount, if these come to awareness through employees reporting then unlikely to impact the recruitment of illegals as they won't report.
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