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Post by ratcliff on Jul 27, 2024 10:32:59 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs! They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%. Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services. All true. The biggest public expenditure is "Social protection" which is housing benefit, pensions, and supporting people who are at risk of exclusion from society, such as those on low incomes or refugees. It costs £320 billion. Reduce all of these by 15% across the board and save £48 billion. It won't be popular, of course. As I've posted previously welfare handout packages are unearned income ,treat them as such - tax them at income tax rates on all packages exceeding the personal allowance. If OAP pensions are taxable then so should working age handout packages be taxable. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 10:47:17 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs! They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%. Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services. All true. The biggest public expenditure is "Social protection" which is housing benefit, pensions, and supporting people who are at risk of exclusion from society, such as those on low incomes or refugees. It costs £320 billion. Reduce all of these by 15% across the board and save £48 billion. It won't be popular, of course. And that's the only way to do it. The way forward is to make benefits dependent on contributions. No pay in, no get out. There's a lot of fat to trim. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 10:59:42 GMT
Which is exactly what I said - it is a political choice by bureaucrats. It does not reflect the demand for training doctors or the demands of people wanting to become doctors. It's the system you want - live with it. Blair proved that your position is a complete nonsense. Blair started importing 3rd world medical staff by the tens of thousands because he didn't want spend money training our own people. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 27, 2024 11:27:53 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs! They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%.Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services. I actually feel sorry for you, such a negative and a destructive mind. Why can't you be grown up enough to approach this government from a truthfully OBJECTIVE point of view. Instead of your continuous Rightist attack on Labour. Another useless referendum would give totally biased individuals like yourself, coming from different direction, influence on the future. Can't think of anything worse. You are pathetic. I have repeatedly states that I have only ever voted Labour. I have repeatedly told you that I am a Social Democratic. If there is anybody that we should feel sorry for it is morons like you who believe that Starmer's Labour are going to make their lives better. I want a Labour government that tells the truth, what the fuck is negative about that? How do you solves problems if you cannot truth about what the actual problem is? The sad thing is we are probably politically very close on what we want, but you are so caught up in bias that you fight for the party, not the country. I have travelled all over, and I want a Nordic system here, you seem to just want a Labour government, even if they are shit! |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 11:32:06 GMT
Why is See2 not banned?
He only posts ad hom. He never counters the point but only ever attacks the poster with unsubstantiated nonsense.
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 11:33:26 GMT
Blair proved that your position is a complete nonsense. Blair started importing 3rd world medical staff by the tens of thousands because he didn't want spend money training our own people. Try being objective for a change. Blair recognised the shortage of doctors and nurses and set about training the necessary staff. IIRC he even got stick at one point for training more doctors than there were positions for. He also increased the number of nurses in training. I remember because my daughter was one of the increased turnout of new nurses. Don't be bitter all your life, life's too short for that. Its also considered to be bad for ones health. S/He often argued that right was wrong, but now s/he would give anything, for just another day. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 11:39:41 GMT
Why is See2 not banned? He only posts ad hom. He never counters the point but only ever attacks the poster with unsubstantiated nonsense. You mostly post biased comments and Ad Homs while trolling along, so you don't deserve to be taken seriously. Just take a look at your 'wind up' Avatar and your history of breaking the rules on using username to insult. I suggest you clean up your own posts before attacking mine. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 11:57:43 GMT
I actually feel sorry for you, such a negative and a destructive mind. Why can't you be grown up enough to approach this government from a truthfully OBJECTIVE point of view. Instead of your continuous Rightist attack on Labour. Another useless referendum would give totally biased individuals like yourself, coming from different direction, influence on the future. Can't think of anything worse. You are pathetic. I have repeatedly states that I have only ever voted Labour. I have repeatedly told you that I am a Social Democratic. If there is anybody that we should feel sorry for it is morons like you who believe that Starmer's Labour are going to make their lives better. I want a Labour government that tells the truth, what the fuck is negative about that? How do you solves problems if you cannot truth about what the actual problem is? The sad thing is we are probably politically very close on what we want, but you are so caught up in bias that you fight for the party, not the country. I have travelled all over, and I want a Nordic system here, you seem to just want a Labour government, even if they are shit! I have repeatedly pointed out your repeated attacks on Labour, as if there wasn't enough ill informed already attacking Labour when Labour were in or out of office. Why do you presume to know that Starmer will not improve the environment within the UK? And thereby improve the lot of its residents. For instance, do you really believe that Starmer's Labour can't improve the NHS from the absolute shambles it has inherited? Your bias is the absolute negative. For me you are like a typical extremist who thinks he knows everything. And has an answer to everything. I want this government to be given a chance, I don't want to see it strangled at birth. AFAICS, there is nothing better that is readily available. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 12:04:17 GMT
And then produces three posts of ad hom and unsubstantiated pro-Labour rhetoric without providing a single evidenced counter point.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 27, 2024 12:07:32 GMT
All true. The biggest public expenditure is "Social protection" which is housing benefit, pensions, and supporting people who are at risk of exclusion from society, such as those on low incomes or refugees. It costs £320 billion. Reduce all of these by 15% across the board and save £48 billion. It won't be popular, of course. And that's the only way to do it. The way forward is to make benefits dependent on contributions. No pay in, no get out. There's a lot of fat to trim. That's all very well for job seekers, but not so good for those who are too ill or disabled to work. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 27, 2024 12:09:17 GMT
Because going back as far as the early 1960s there were never enough British people who wanted to be doctors, which is why the then Health Secretary ENOCH POWEL agreed to a recruitment campaign in The Commonwealth. So was your claim that “Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS”a lie or just ignorance? Perhaps I should have stated that the "Tories forgot that there is no queue of BRITISH doctors waiting to work in the NHS" |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 12:09:22 GMT
And that's the only way to do it. The way forward is to make benefits dependent on contributions. No pay in, no get out. There's a lot of fat to trim. That's all very well for job seekers, but not so good for those who are too ill or disabled to work. And they need to be properly and rigorously assessed. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 12:10:57 GMT
So was your claim that “Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS”a lie or just ignorance? Perhaps I should have stated that the "Tories forgot that there is no queue of BRITISH doctors waiting to work in the NHS" You're moving the goalposts now fiddles. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 12:12:04 GMT
And then produces three posts of ad hom and unsubstantiated pro-Labour rhetoric without providing a single evidenced counter point. Which part of 'unsubstantiated pro-Labour rhetoric' do you want evidence for? Right or wrong I do exchange Ad Homs. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 27, 2024 12:12:43 GMT
That's all very well for job seekers, but not so good for those who are too ill or disabled to work. And they need to be properly and rigorously assessed. And they need to be properly and VERY rigorously assessed |
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