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Post by bancroft on Jul 26, 2024 16:59:51 GMT
We should be teaching kids in school about alternative therapies, doctors never helped me.
So I went to lots of therapists at 31 read dozens maybe hundreds of books.
Beat COV-ID symptoms in hours.
The problem of course is corporate lobbying of politics so we will have to spen increasingly more of GDP until something breaks.
The Labour shortfall will be subjective to cater for what they politically want to do and take into account the cost of this.
Expect them to use this as justification for tax rises breaking earlier tax promises due to the 'dire' situation.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 26, 2024 16:59:52 GMT
People don't just get ill between 9 and 5, fiddles. And doctors getting paid 3 or 4 times the national average wage are being more than amply compensated for any on call work, assuming that they actually turn out for any which mostly they don't. Lazy doctors need a good shake up across the board IMHO. You haven't a clue No such thing as "lazy doctors" Doctors OF COURSE get paid a lot more than the average wage, because they are firstly clever enough to be doctors, and take up to nine years to train to be where they are. Do scientists get paid more than the average person, do civil engineers and other highly trained and skilled people. ? Doctors who do not turn out to call outs would be in deeply serious trouble, so I know your are typing bullshit. The way it works is like this ... health professionals are in very short supply - but the ones that are left after 14 years of Tory rule expect to be treated and paid FAIRLY. The alternative is that the NHS continues on its downward deterioration, more people leave, and one day we have no functioning NHS any more. No government can hold a gun to the heads of doctors, they simply leave, go to Australia, America or New Zealand, or go into the private sector, which many many thousands have done in the last 10 years. The Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS Doctor (and Nurse) training is oversubscribed. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 26, 2024 17:02:15 GMT
Yep, I had to attend and see the nurse a few months back. It was mid afternoon and the waiting room was empty. Then three doctors came in, laughing and joking and clearly back from a pub lunch. But call for an appointment and you get told there's no one available for 2 weeks. Lazy, lazy fuckers. It’s our fault for fawning to them during COVID . yes but we did get a lot of dances on TikTok in return.. https://www.tiktok.com/@cegyoung/video/6821472505484676358 |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 26, 2024 17:04:12 GMT
There’s most likely people dying behind those screens 😳 |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 26, 2024 22:33:38 GMT
You haven't a clue No such thing as "lazy doctors" Doctors OF COURSE get paid a lot more than the average wage, because they are firstly clever enough to be doctors, and take up to nine years to train to be where they are. Do scientists get paid more than the average person, do civil engineers and other highly trained and skilled people. ? Doctors who do not turn out to call outs would be in deeply serious trouble, so I know your are typing bullshit. The way it works is like this ... health professionals are in very short supply - but the ones that are left after 14 years of Tory rule expect to be treated and paid FAIRLY. The alternative is that the NHS continues on its downward deterioration, more people leave, and one day we have no functioning NHS any more. No government can hold a gun to the heads of doctors, they simply leave, go to Australia, America or New Zealand, or go into the private sector, which many many thousands have done in the last 10 years. The Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS Why do we have so many foreign doctors ? Because going back as far as the early 1960s there were never enough British people who wanted to be doctors, which is why the then Health Secretary ENOCH POWEL agreed to a recruitment campaign in The Commonwealth. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 26, 2024 23:31:30 GMT
Why do we have so many foreign doctors ? Because going back as far as the early 1960s there were never enough British people who wanted to be doctors, which is why the then Health Secretary ENOCH POWEL agreed to a recruitment campaign in The Commonwealth. So was your claim that “Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS”a lie or just ignorance? |
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 27, 2024 1:48:30 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs!
They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%.
Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 27, 2024 6:36:00 GMT
If the Treasury needs more money the most logical ways of getting it are to raise capital gains tax so that it's more in line with income tax - it's too easy at the moment for the rich to avoid income tax by taking their income in other ways.
The other area is the tax relief on pension contribution. Limiting it to 20% would raise a LOT of money. The higher paid will object but it could be mitigated by raising the threshold for the 40% band.
And the big one is the gold plated pensions in the public sector. These are worth a fortune and are unavailable in the private sector. But a Labour chancellor will never touch these because the unions would go berserk. This should have been done years ago by the Tories.
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 6:52:24 GMT
You haven't a clue No such thing as "lazy doctors" Doctors OF COURSE get paid a lot more than the average wage, because they are firstly clever enough to be doctors, and take up to nine years to train to be where they are. Do scientists get paid more than the average person, do civil engineers and other highly trained and skilled people. ? Doctors who do not turn out to call outs would be in deeply serious trouble, so I know your are typing bullshit. The way it works is like this ... health professionals are in very short supply - but the ones that are left after 14 years of Tory rule expect to be treated and paid FAIRLY. The alternative is that the NHS continues on its downward deterioration, more people leave, and one day we have no functioning NHS any more. No government can hold a gun to the heads of doctors, they simply leave, go to Australia, America or New Zealand, or go into the private sector, which many many thousands have done in the last 10 years. The Tories forgot that there is no queue of doctors waiting to work in the NHS Doctor (and Nurse) training is oversubscribed. Perhaps that requires a little clarification. Does it, for instance mean we don't have the resources to train all the doctors and nurses we need? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 7:00:57 GMT
Doctor (and Nurse) training is oversubscribed. Perhaps that requires a little clarification. Does it, for instance mean we don't have the resources to train all the doctors and nurses we need? No - it means that the State is only willing to pay for 'X' number of training places. This is the problem when you have a state monopoly supplier - the ability to meet demand is set by some bureaucrat in an office in Westminster and what he is willing to pay. If the private sector were training doctors (as they do in other countries) the training capacity would respond to demand. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 7:22:35 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs! They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%.Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services. I actually feel sorry for you, such a negative and a destructive mind. Why can't you be grown up enough to approach this government from a truthfully OBJECTIVE point of view. Instead of your continuous Rightist attack on Labour. Another useless referendum would give totally biased individuals like yourself, coming from different direction, influence on the future. Can't think of anything worse. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 7:28:08 GMT
Perhaps that requires a little clarification. Does it, for instance mean we don't have the resources to train all the doctors and nurses we need? No - it means that the State is only willing to pay for 'X' number of training places. This is the problem when you have a state monopoly supplier - the ability to meet demand is set by some bureaucrat in an office in Westminster and what he is willing to pay. If the private sector were training doctors (as they do in other countries) the training capacity would respond to demand. The number of training places is a choice. That we do not have the resources at present is just part of the damage deliberately done to the NHS by sick Tory governments. The rest of your post is just Rightist bias. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2024 7:35:07 GMT
No - it means that the State is only willing to pay for 'X' number of training places. This is the problem when you have a state monopoly supplier - the ability to meet demand is set by some bureaucrat in an office in Westminster and what he is willing to pay. If the private sector were training doctors (as they do in other countries) the training capacity would respond to demand. That we do not have the resources at present is just part of the damage deliberately done to the NHS by sick Tory governments. The rest of your post is just Rightist bias. Which is exactly what I said - it is a political choice by bureaucrats. It does not reflect the demand for training doctors or the demands of people wanting to become doctors. It's the system you want - live with it. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 7:39:38 GMT
The number of training places is a choice. That we do not have the resources at present is just part of the damage deliberately done to the NHS by sick Tory governments. The rest of your post is just Rightist bias. Which is exactly what I said - it is a political choice by bureaucrats. It does not reflect the demand for training doctors or the demands of people wanting to become doctors. It's the system you want - live with it. Blair proved that your position is a complete nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 10:26:39 GMT
What I find depressing is Labour are already telling lies. The "we need to take a look at books" is just lies. They knew the state of everything because the figures are published all the time... and their job in opposition was to scrutinise them ffs! They are lying to set a narrative of "everything we promised now has to be changed, because the evil Tories didn't tell us how bad it really is". I actually feel sorry for all the people that thought Starmer would change their lives for the better. There was never going to be enough money by asking "the rich to pay their fair share", or going after energy companies that are already paying 75%. Why can we not find some grown ups that actually have the balls to tell it like it is? It is obvious to anybody with a brain that we are living way beyond our means, so why can't they ask the people how they want to solve it? It's either higher taxes for all... or reduce public services. All true. The biggest public expenditure is "Social protection" which is housing benefit, pensions, and supporting people who are at risk of exclusion from society, such as those on low incomes or refugees. It costs £320 billion. Reduce all of these by 15% across the board and save £48 billion. It won't be popular, of course. |
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