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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2024 17:37:38 GMT
she had better stop wasting money then |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2024 17:38:45 GMT
There has been no reduction - in fact they are trying to open extra slots to employ more.. You mean the NHS has too many but still couldn't provide a decent service? we dont have enough - that is why vacancies are oversubscribed. Whether the NHS can ever provide a decent service is another question. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 11, 2024 17:42:02 GMT
she had better stop wasting money then Silly comment. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 11, 2024 17:45:16 GMT
You mean the NHS has too many but still couldn't provide a decent service? we dont have enough - that is why vacancies are oversubscribed. Too many Junior Doctors applying to fill vacancies that don't exist. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2024 17:47:10 GMT
we dont have enough - that is why vacancies are oversubscribed. Too many Junior Doctors applying to fill vacancies that don't exist. Yes that is what I said 24 hours ago... the claim that we need to increase Junior Doctors pay simply to fill vacancies is bunk. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 12, 2024 11:54:43 GMT
The civil service and NHS has always been the same. Your pay is linked to the economy, and in return for accepting that you have (1) greater job security (2) better pension (3) employer behaves better.
There is no avoiding this link because the civil service and NHS employ millions of people between them, so they are one of the biggest financial levers the government has.
The problem with the NHS, and the rest of our infrastructure, unplanned immigration. We have 10 million extra people and nobody has built the 10%-15% extra hospitals, GP / dental surgeries needed to cope.
Unfilled vacancies is normally about a shortage of people with the right skills, not a shortage of people. You cannot simply put a doctor into a position they are not qualified to hold, as medical positions are highly specialised. This comes back to my point about capacity. We need many new hospital, and many new training facilities... and of course pay them enough to recruit and maintain.
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Post by see2 on Aug 13, 2024 11:35:49 GMT
Too many Junior Doctors applying to fill vacancies that don't exist. Yes that is what I said 24 hours ago... the claim that we need to increase Junior Doctors pay simply to fill vacancies is bunk. That ^^^ was never the claim, IIRC years of below inflation pay rises is why their pay has been increased. You still don't understand the obvious which is that the Tories did their usual act of depriving the NHS of the necessary funding. The Tories are the cause of the lack of openings for Junior Doctors in the NHS. So why are you crying that any vacancies are oversubscribed? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 16:09:48 GMT
Yes that is what I said 24 hours ago... the claim that we need to increase Junior Doctors pay simply to fill vacancies is bunk. , IIRC years of below inflation pay rises is why their pay has been increased. Try and keep up: "As pay has gone down, and terms and conditions have worsened, the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen."
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Post by see2 on Aug 13, 2024 16:29:30 GMT
That ^^^ was never the claim, IIRC years of below inflation pay rises is why their pay has been increased. Try and keep up: "As pay has gone down, and terms and conditions have worsened, the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen."
Maybe the vacancy rate has risen because disillusioned Junior Doctors have been leaving, that being the aim of the last government. Tories always managing to seriously damage the NHS. There is no point in trying to keep up with insinuations and false assumptions possibly caused by reading stupid politically biased news papers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 16:37:04 GMT
Try and keep up: "As pay has gone down, and terms and conditions have worsened, the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen."
Maybe the vacancy rate has risen because disillusioned Junior Doctors have been leaving, that being the aim of the last government. Tories always managing to seriously damage the NHS. There is no point in trying to keep up with insinuations and false assumptions possibly caused by reading stupid politically biased news papers. Try and keep up - there is no vacancy rate.. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 13, 2024 16:42:06 GMT
Try and keep up: "As pay has gone down, and terms and conditions have worsened, the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen."
Maybe the vacancy rate has risen because disillusioned Junior Doctors have been leaving, that being the aim of the last government. Tories always managing to seriously damage the NHS. There is no point in trying to keep up with insinuations and false assumptions possibly caused by reading stupid politically biased news papers. Vacancy rates are based on the population they need to serve, not just because people are leaving. The NHS employs more and more people, but the vacancies rise and rise because Blair and then the Tories allowed 8.5 million to swamp the country. The population has grown by 10 million since Blair, but that is done and dusted, we need to know when Starmer is going to start building the extra Hospitals, GPs and dentists that 10 million extra people need. So far he has even acknowledged the problem... which is just fucking great! |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 16:44:24 GMT
Two Tier has started as he means to go on Identity politics and politics of envy.
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Post by see2 on Aug 13, 2024 17:00:16 GMT
Maybe the vacancy rate has risen because disillusioned Junior Doctors have been leaving, that being the aim of the last government. Tories always managing to seriously damage the NHS. There is no point in trying to keep up with insinuations and false assumptions possibly caused by reading stupid politically biased news papers. Try and keep up - there is no vacancy rate.. You posted, "the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen". My post was an answer to your comment. You need to both keep up and grow up, being stuck as a fixed opinionated Rightist is doing your grey matter no good at all. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 13, 2024 17:03:01 GMT
Maybe the vacancy rate has risen because disillusioned Junior Doctors have been leaving, that being the aim of the last government. Tories always managing to seriously damage the NHS. There is no point in trying to keep up with insinuations and false assumptions possibly caused by reading stupid politically biased news papers. Vacancy rates are based on the population they need to serve, not just because people are leaving. The NHS employs more and more people, but the vacancies rise and rise because Blair and then the Tories allowed 8.5 million to swamp the country. The population has grown by 10 million since Blair, but that is done and dusted, we need to know when Starmer is going to start building the extra Hospitals, GPs and dentists that 10 million extra people need. So far he has even acknowledged the problem... which is just fucking great! Not necessarily when under the Tories who inevitably damage the NHS, that Tories do this is not just a coincidence. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 17:08:19 GMT
Try and keep up - there is no vacancy rate.. You posted, "the vacancy rate of Junior Doctors posts has steadily risen". My post was an answer to your comment. You need to both keep up and grow up, being stuck as a fixed opinionated Rightist is doing your grey matter no good at all. Try and keep up - the claim that Junior Doctors vacancies have risen is the one that I am debunking. There are no vacancies. |
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