And the biggest laugh of all is, if a Tory chancellor had just scrapped OAP's winter fuel payments, you would be at the vanguard of those shouting about nasty Tories killing pensioners.
LOL it's a funny old game.
You obviously haven't noticed the rider that any pensioners receiving additional benefits will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance.
Seems a fairer way of distributing heating allowance where it's needed...
I'm not anti means testing, but this isn't that. This is a vindictive and designed to appease core Labour members.
The bar here is so low that charities are saying TWO MILLION pensioners are going to be pushed into fuel poverty.
In case you don't know... the bar is £3 under the state pension. So you could have one pensioner who paid in 1 year less than needed to receive the full pension... and they will get a top up to state pension level + free TV licence + winter fuel payments.
Personally I think they will have to back track on this one, or the headlines over the winter are going to be really bad.
You obviously haven't noticed the rider that any pensioners receiving additional benefits will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance.
Seems a fairer way of distributing heating allowance where it's needed...
I'm not anti means testing, but this isn't that. This is a vindictive and designed to appease core Labour members.
The bar here is so low that charities are saying TWO MILLION pensioners are going to be pushed into fuel poverty.
In case you don't know... the bar is £3 under the state pension. So you could have one pensioner who paid in 1 year less than needed to receive the full pension... and they will get a top up to state pension level + free TV licence + winter fuel payments.
Personally I think they will have to back track on this one, or the headlines over the winter are going to be really bad.
You are quite right but somehow I doubt they will back track on it. This was factored in to spending plans a long time before the election, and besides, I suspect bigger shocks will be announced in the October budget.
IT IS NOT RACIST TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
I'm not anti means testing, but this isn't that. This is a vindictive and designed to appease core Labour members.
The bar here is so low that charities are saying TWO MILLION pensioners are going to be pushed into fuel poverty.
In case you don't know... the bar is £3 under the state pension. So you could have one pensioner who paid in 1 year less than needed to receive the full pension... and they will get a top up to state pension level + free TV licence + winter fuel payments.
Personally I think they will have to back track on this one, or the headlines over the winter are going to be really bad.
You are quite right but somehow I doubt they will back track on it. This was factored in to spending plans a long time before the election, and besides, I suspect bigger shocks will be announced in the October budget.
Labour are making it clear that their priorities lie not with the British people but with almost everyone else. The bulk of those affected by the winter fuel payment will be the British baby boomers who have been systematically targeted as greedy and selfish over the last few decades and whose hardships through the 60s, 70s and 80s are pooh poohed as of no consequence. They become non-deserving and it is only right to take the cash from the greedy bastards most of whom are millionaires anyway.
You are quite right but somehow I doubt they will back track on it. This was factored in to spending plans a long time before the election, and besides, I suspect bigger shocks will be announced in the October budget.
Labour are making it clear that their priorities lie not with the British people but with almost everyone else. The bulk of those affected by the winter fuel payment will be the British baby boomers who have been systematically targeted as greedy and selfish over the last few decades and whose hardships through the 60s, 70s and 80s are pooh poohed as of no consequence. They become non-deserving and it is only right to take the cash from the greedy bastards most of whom are millionaires anyway.
its delicious though sandy watching all the lies catch up with starmer and his new Labour Party. He has managed to take a mere four weeks to get to the level of notoriety that Blair took practically 8 years to get to.
They are talking about nearly 300 000 Scottish pensioners being badly affected by the winter fuel payment cut. Although this is due to be devolved to Holyrood , swinney has said no mention has been made by labour of supplying the funding from the Scottish taxpayers money London takes.
In effect , once again , its devolve responsibility , rather than devolve any real power.
I wonder , outside of the brain dead labour cult members , how the 20% of the electorate that voted this shower of shite in now feel.? they got the blue tories out , but ended up with the same party with a red rosette.
Lets not forget the £25 per week if its -0c in your area a week .
That's a good point
The DWP has said that over £130 million of Cold Weather Payments were made to households in England and Wales during 2022/23. Around two million payments were made to pensioners and another three million to working-age households.
It makes sense to have a payment based on the extra costs incurred by very cold weather. I'm in favour of that.
I'm not anti means testing, but this isn't that. This is a vindictive and designed to appease core Labour members.
I'm unconvinced that cutting welfare appeals to Labour's core vote at all.
I think Dave means punishing tory pensioners will appeal to labours core vote , but I also get what you are saying .Does seem to be a bit of an own goal for starmer in light of the high energy bills , which in my own case , is still double what it was per month compared to three years ago , have fallen from three times as much per month.
if we have a bad winter this year , there is the estimation that ending the fuel payments will push nigh on three hundred thousand Scottish pensioners into severe deprivation and hardship , and probably millions in England and Wales , there's going to be plenty red meat for the media to attack labour despite the bleats about other benefits being available to pensioners.
Labour are making it clear that their priorities lie not with the British people but with almost everyone else. The bulk of those affected by the winter fuel payment will be the British baby boomers who have been systematically targeted as greedy and selfish over the last few decades and whose hardships through the 60s, 70s and 80s are pooh poohed as of no consequence. They become non-deserving and it is only right to take the cash from the greedy bastards most of whom are millionaires anyway.
its delicious though sandy watching all the lies catch up with starmer and his new Labour Party. He has managed to take a mere four weeks to get to the level of notoriety that Blair took practically 8 years to get to.
They are talking about nearly 300 000 Scottish pensioners being badly affected by the winter fuel payment cut. Although this is due to be devolved to Holyrood , swinney has said no mention has been made by labour of supplying the funding from the Scottish taxpayers money London takes.
In effect , once again , its devolve responsibility , rather than devolve any real power.
I wonder , outside of the brain dead labour cult members , how the 20% of the electorate that voted this shower of shite in now feel.? they got the blue tories out , but ended up with the same party with a red rosette.
Add to that mayors,the police and crime commissioners is all about not our fault guv.
We had new labour and the catastrophe Blair was we now have new labour mk2 a wooden PM surrounded by cardboard cut out ministers, all we need now is a blue Peter washing up bottle made in to a budget,oops we already have.
its delicious though sandy watching all the lies catch up with starmer and his new Labour Party. He has managed to take a mere four weeks to get to the level of notoriety that Blair took practically 8 years to get to.
They are talking about nearly 300 000 Scottish pensioners being badly affected by the winter fuel payment cut. Although this is due to be devolved to Holyrood , swinney has said no mention has been made by labour of supplying the funding from the Scottish taxpayers money London takes.
In effect , once again , its devolve responsibility , rather than devolve any real power.
I wonder , outside of the brain dead labour cult members , how the 20% of the electorate that voted this shower of shite in now feel.? they got the blue tories out , but ended up with the same party with a red rosette.
Add to that mayors,the police and crime commissioners is all about not our fault guv.
I always liken uk devolution to running a business with one hand tied behind your back , but someone else controlling all your money no matter how well you do , and giving you a few crumbs back from your profits while you take full responsibility for how the business does.
I'm not anti means testing, but this isn't that. This is a vindictive and designed to appease core Labour members.
I'm unconvinced that cutting welfare appeals to Labour's core vote at all.
It's all about the narrative.
Labour have set the narrative that rich pensioners are keeping everybody else down.
The left blame the rich and successful, the right blame immigrants and benefits scroungers, and the centre fail to address structural problems so people adopt a left or right narrative.
If I'm wrong why has Starmer not addressed that flooding 10 million extra people into the country requires building 10% more hospitals, GPs, dentists, housing, road capacity, reservoirs etc?
I'm unconvinced that cutting welfare appeals to Labour's core vote at all.
It's all about the narrative.
Labour have set the narrative that rich pensioners are keeping everybody else down.
The left blame the rich and successful, the right blame immigrants and benefits scroungers, and the centre fail to address structural problems so people adopt a left or right narrative.
If I'm wrong why has Starmer not addressed that flooding 10 million extra people into the country requires building 10% more hospitals, GPs, dentists, housing, road capacity, reservoirs etc?
Oh, I totally agree with your third paragraph. You only have to read this forum to know that everything is the fault of migrants and benefits scroungers, but then in your fourth paragraph you do exactly that! 🫠
I'm not really quite sure what you were looking for the PM to achieve in one month in office, but there are plans for housebuilding (whether it works or not is to be seen) and an offer to junior doctors to end the strike. I agree there's also a cut in the investment in roads and hospitals, so it's swings and roundabouts here.
Labour have set the narrative that rich pensioners are keeping everybody else down.
The left blame the rich and successful, the right blame immigrants and benefits scroungers, and the centre fail to address structural problems so people adopt a left or right narrative.
If I'm wrong why has Starmer not addressed that flooding 10 million extra people into the country requires building 10% more hospitals, GPs, dentists, housing, road capacity, reservoirs etc?
Oh, I totally agree with your third paragraph. You only have to read this forum to know that everything is the fault of migrants and benefits scroungers, but then in your fourth paragraph you do exactly that! 🫠
I'm not really quite sure what you were looking for the PM to achieve in one month in office, but there are plans for housebuilding (whether it works or not is to be seen) and an offer to junior doctors to end the strike. I agree there's also a cut in the investment in roads and hospitals, so it's swings and roundabouts here.
I was hoping he wouldn't lie about the problem, that would be a good start. Have you once heard any Labour politician talk about these extra 10 million people?
We need a 10% increase in infrastructure, and sadly the only person who has addressed this is fucking Nigel Farage. The likes of Farage are not the problem, the problem is covering up the actual problems, and thus allowing Farage to grab the narrative.
Starmer is an idiot. He didn't have to make promises on taxation, he was always going to win by default after the Tory implosion.
As for his plans for housebuilding... we have 10 million extra people ffs... he needs to be building new towns and cities!
So let me get this straight, politicians don't know how to balance the books and the country not be in debt, but they know how to make themselves millionaires 🤔