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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 23, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
Same is true of any opt-in poll. Yet they are still more than capable of being accurate; that is how statistical analysis works. All The Best No it does not and they are capable of being accurate but usually are not because of the nature of selection in the sample. It is like saying to a group hands up who is carrying a knife and using that result as a sample of all who are carrying knives, it is an opt in sample that is full of uncertainties as there are many who will not opt in on principle whatever that principle may be. Well, obviously you know better than professional polling companies. Oh wait, no you don't. Polling Companies correctly predicted the range of seats Reform UK would win. How did you do? Were you one of those saying they would form the opposition? All The Best
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 24, 2024 3:48:04 GMT
Same is true of any opt-in poll. Yet they are still more than capable of being accurate; that is how statistical analysis works. All The Best No it does not and they are capable of being accurate but usually are not because of the nature of selection in the sample. It is like saying to a group hands up who is carrying a knife and using that result as a sample of all who are carrying knives, it is an opt in sample that is full of uncertainties as there are many who will not opt in on principle whatever that principle may be. It is interesting to know that it's the Hamas supporters and Labour leftist racists against gammons who support the BBC the most. The hostility they have toward GB News is absolute proof of their extremism. GB News is actually quite tame and relatively central, and allows discussion on both sides. The reason it looks bad to the Hamas supporting leftist racists against the gammons is because the BBC is extremist state run Hamas supporting Labour leftist.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 24, 2024 8:50:36 GMT
No it does not and they are capable of being accurate but usually are not because of the nature of selection in the sample. It is like saying to a group hands up who is carrying a knife and using that result as a sample of all who are carrying knives, it is an opt in sample that is full of uncertainties as there are many who will not opt in on principle whatever that principle may be. Well, obviously you know better than professional polling companies. Oh wait, no you don't. Polling Companies correctly predicted the range of seats Reform UK would win. How did you do? Were you one of those saying they would form the opposition? All The Best I do not know better but I am acutely aware of the limitations of their data. It is hard to find where the Barb stated confidence limits of 95% come from but in areas of 50 or 60% these make little difference. Once you delve down to the 1% area results are much more uncertain. Both the BBC news and the GBnews are in this area where figures are drawn from a very few actual readings and the results could be all over the place. One person asleep in front of BBC news could distort the figures, or the other way around as we are dealing with just a couple of handfuls of readings within the total.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 24, 2024 15:29:51 GMT
Well, obviously you know better than professional polling companies. Oh wait, no you don't. Polling Companies correctly predicted the range of seats Reform UK would win. How did you do? Were you one of those saying they would form the opposition? All The Best I do not know better but I am acutely aware of the limitations of their data. It is hard to find where the Barb stated confidence limits of 95% come from but in areas of 50 or 60% these make little difference. Once you delve down to the 1% area results are much more uncertain. Both the BBC news and the GBnews are in this area where figures are drawn from a very few actual readings and the results could be all over the place. One person asleep in front of BBC news could distort the figures, or the other way around as we are dealing with just a couple of handfuls of readings within the total. But as you point out the GB News rating are as likely to be skewed by low representation as the BBC ones. So, the logical thing to do is assume they broadly cancel one another out, but be wary of thinking either is a perfect representation. Every viewing ratings site I looked at had BBC News as roughly 3-4 times more viewers as GB News. If they weren't all broadly aligned I'd be very wary of the data, but they all come in at the same ballpark. However, of more import is: there is not one single shred of actual evidence that GB News has more viewers than the BBC or Sky News. The viewing figures we do have support the BBC having more viewers; and no one at all has presented any evidence that GB News has more viewers. So this quote: Dear ProVeritas You claim that "GB news reaches just 4% of the UK Population." But however many viewers that the channel currently has, it is still watched by more people than the BBC and Sky news channels.Is demonstrably FALSE. Only question left is why it is false, genuine error, or deliberate misrepresentation... All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 24, 2024 17:27:50 GMT
I do not know better but I am acutely aware of the limitations of their data. It is hard to find where the Barb stated confidence limits of 95% come from but in areas of 50 or 60% these make little difference. Once you delve down to the 1% area results are much more uncertain. Both the BBC news and the GBnews are in this area where figures are drawn from a very few actual readings and the results could be all over the place. One person asleep in front of BBC news could distort the figures, or the other way around as we are dealing with just a couple of handfuls of readings within the total. But as you point out the GB News rating are as likely to be skewed by low representation as the BBC ones. So, the logical thing to do is assume they broadly cancel one another out, but be wary of thinking either is a perfect representation. Every viewing ratings site I looked at had BBC News as roughly 3-4 times more viewers as GB News. If they weren't all broadly aligned I'd be very wary of the data, but they all come in at the same ballpark. However, of more import is: there is not one single shred of actual evidence that GB News has more viewers than the BBC or Sky News. The viewing figures we do have support the BBC having more viewers; and no one at all has presented any evidence that GB News has more viewers. So this quote: Dear ProVeritas You claim that "GB news reaches just 4% of the UK Population." But however many viewers that the channel currently has, it is still watched by more people than the BBC and Sky news channels.Is demonstrably FALSE. Only question left is why it is false, genuine error, or deliberate misrepresentation... All The Best What I am saying is one cannot realistically draw any conclusion as the uncertainty seems to be greater than the values. What is clear from many other research areas is that the BBC news watchers are declining and the GB news watchers are increasing. Not sure if it is demonstrably false but the evidence has not been presented unless I missed it.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 24, 2024 17:40:04 GMT
But as you point out the GB News rating are as likely to be skewed by low representation as the BBC ones. So, the logical thing to do is assume they broadly cancel one another out, but be wary of thinking either is a perfect representation. Every viewing ratings site I looked at had BBC News as roughly 3-4 times more viewers as GB News. If they weren't all broadly aligned I'd be very wary of the data, but they all come in at the same ballpark. However, of more import is: there is not one single shred of actual evidence that GB News has more viewers than the BBC or Sky News. The viewing figures we do have support the BBC having more viewers; and no one at all has presented any evidence that GB News has more viewers. So this quote: Is demonstrably FALSE. Only question left is why it is false, genuine error, or deliberate misrepresentation... All The Best What I am saying is one cannot realistically draw any conclusion as the uncertainty seems to be greater than the values. What is clear from many other research areas is that the BBC news watchers are declining and the GB news watchers are increasing.Not sure if it is demonstrably false but the evidence has not been presented unless I missed it. What research? I couldn't find any. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 24, 2024 18:21:09 GMT
What I am saying is one cannot realistically draw any conclusion as the uncertainty seems to be greater than the values. What is clear from many other research areas is that the BBC news watchers are declining and the GB news watchers are increasing.Not sure if it is demonstrably false but the evidence has not been presented unless I missed it. What research? I couldn't find any. All The Best www.gbnews.com/news/gb-news-most-loved-news-brand-2023-savanta. Ignoring BBC News channel the Barb viewing figures show a decline in watching the News. If one takes cognizance of the Barb figures for BBC news channel then they have lost 9% of their viewers. Which has a degree of significance even with the margin of error already discussed.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 24, 2024 22:58:22 GMT
What research? I couldn't find any. All The Best www.gbnews.com/news/gb-news-most-loved-news-brand-2023-savanta. Ignoring BBC News channel the Barb viewing figures show a decline in watching the News. If one takes cognizance of the Barb figures for BBC news channel then they have lost 9% of their viewers. Which has a degree of significance even with the margin of error already discussed. So the "evidence" you have that GB News is gaining on BBC News is from GB News itself? Mmmm...... All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 25, 2024 8:00:17 GMT
www.gbnews.com/news/gb-news-most-loved-news-brand-2023-savanta. Ignoring BBC News channel the Barb viewing figures show a decline in watching the News. If one takes cognizance of the Barb figures for BBC news channel then they have lost 9% of their viewers. Which has a degree of significance even with the margin of error already discussed. So the "evidence" you have that GB News is gaining on BBC News is from GB News itself? Mmmm...... All The Best No, look at it again. It is reported by GB news, possibly blowing their own trumpet, but that is common practice in all media outlets. If an independent poll finds x then there is no problem with reporting x as other outlets will probably ignore it.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 25, 2024 9:59:30 GMT
So the "evidence" you have that GB News is gaining on BBC News is from GB News itself? Mmmm...... All The Best No, look at it again. It is reported by GB news, possibly blowing their own trumpet, but that is common practice in all media outlets. If an independent poll finds x then there is no problem with reporting x as other outlets will probably ignore it. Hang on a minute. You just spent three posts telling my how polls, or rather polls that show that BBC News and Sky News have much higher viewing figures than GB News, are utterly useless. Now you want me to accept that one poll, or rather one lonely poll that says GB News is the most loved News station, is accurate? You may be that much of a hypocrite, but I am not. So we either accept that polls are broadly accurate in which case both the BBC News and Sky News are watched by WAY MORE people than GB News. Or we accept that polls are useless, and you have no evidence at all that GB News is significant in any way. Your choice; which is it? All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 25, 2024 12:10:50 GMT
No, look at it again. It is reported by GB news, possibly blowing their own trumpet, but that is common practice in all media outlets. If an independent poll finds x then there is no problem with reporting x as other outlets will probably ignore it. Hang on a minute. You just spent three posts telling my how polls, or rather polls that show that BBC News and Sky News have much higher viewing figures than GB News, are utterly useless. Now you want me to accept that one poll, or rather one lonely poll that says GB News is the most loved News station, is accurate? You may be that much of a hypocrite, but I am not. So we either accept that polls are broadly accurate in which case both the BBC News and Sky News are watched by WAY MORE people than GB News. Or we accept that polls are useless, and you have no evidence at all that GB News is significant in any way. Your choice; which is it? All The Best No I have not. I have gone to some considerable length to indicate that once you have polls, that all have confidence limits, and you are dealing with small percentages in those polls then the uncertainties increase sometimes as to make those small values meaningless. I did not disparage polls in particular and in fact I even said that once in the 50% areas then the uncertainties as regards that particular value are less significant. Both BBC news and GBNews on the Barb figures are less than 1.5% if I recall so both very small and therefore more uncertain. I have no values for the GB news quoted poll but if I recall it was something like 45,000 people polled, I know not how the polling was done, and they reported they had increased in popularity. It is not a choice it is a matter of trying to understand the figures before you and what they do mean and what cannot be reasonably inferred from them.
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Post by Veronika on Aug 27, 2024 13:23:43 GMT
Dear Forumers,
Keir Starmer has done a big speech in his back garden of Number 10 Downing Street, and he did not allow GB News to ask him a question.
Apparently he has not allowed the GB News reporters to ask him any questions at all since he won the General Election. So it is quite clear that now he has power and a very large majority Starmer is just thinking that he can afford to ignore GB News completely. He will ignore the channel's reporters, presenters, viewers, readers and listeners. He will ignore the issues and concerns of all those people who have viewpoints and stances that are basically the same as GB News.
Veronika Oleksychenko
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Post by sandypine on Aug 27, 2024 13:48:07 GMT
Dear Forumers, Keir Starmer has done a big speech in his back garden of Number 10 Downing Street, and he did not allow GB News to ask him a question. Apparently he has not allowed the GB News reporters to ask him any questions at all since he won the General Election. So it is quite clear that now he has power and a very large majority Starmer is just thinking that he can afford to ignore GB News completely. He will ignore the channel's reporters, presenters, viewers, readers and listeners. He will ignore the issues and concerns of all those people who have viewpoints and stances that are basically the same as GB News. Veronika Oleksychenko Yes that was very noticeable we almost got down to Country Life magazine and still no GB news question.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 28, 2024 6:13:38 GMT
It's very obvíous that Starmer has total contempt for people who don't vote for him - which means about 80% of the electorate. So the pensioners have their winter fuel payments taken away while he caves in to the uníons' pay demands. GB News and Talk are ignored.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 28, 2024 11:20:19 GMT
It's very obvíous that Starmer has total contempt for people who don't vote for him - which means about 80% of the electorate. So the pensioners have their winter fuel payments taken away while he caves in to the uníons' pay demands. GB News and Talk are ignored. Lots of people who didn't vote for Starmer / labour use the news outlets he did take question from. Maybe he feels he shouldn't be taking questions from an alleged News Channel that is really just a mouth-piece for MPs from parties other than Labour, and which has been investigated, and found to be in breach of their broadcasting license, by Ofcom on numerous occasions. That would, on the face of it, appear to be more investigations and upheld complaints that all other News Outlets combined over the same period. GB News is clearly a "rogue broadcaster" that feels that it should not abide by the rules that everyone else abides by. I would suggest that Starmer is, therefore, both justified and correct in not engaging with GB News. All The Best
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