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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:38:21 GMT
Like it or not ,Westminster has now arrived at the multi party system , but clings on to the old two party stitch up as though the snp , reform and others haven't materialised. Its a disgrace , and as you say , remoaners like Andrew who couldnt accept losing 48 52 are now expecting us to swallow 33.7% win rate giving 64% of seats , while still carping on about a referendum he lost in 2016. That's unfair. I've been consistent in my support for PR. I have made several posts on the matter and am signed up to the Make Votes Matter campaign. I think that you have mistaken me for a Labour supporter, which I'm not, but I'm happy that we don't have a Tory government. ok I take some of that back . apologies. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:40:02 GMT
Wow did you see the picture of that far left French leader, he looks like a right fuckin nut job, at least Macron is smart and presentable. its fun though. Macron is sweating , his plans are in disarray whats not to like? I bet starmer is sweating as well , with whats coming down the tracks for him. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jul 9, 2024 11:40:26 GMT
I agree , not sure what the answer to the decline is be it the voting system or just trying to encourage better candidates . Years gone by you could look through the ranks of red and blue and see many ,well a few potential leaders , today we have none . PR wouldn't change that but just give the chancers who rise to the top of their party a free ride into Westminster . For example the likes of George Osborne , Ed Balls ,Penny 'the sword carrier' Mourdant and the Honourable member for the 18th c would still have a job . I disagree. No system is infallible , but pr doesn't allow a party on a tiny minority of the vote to have double the seats in comparison to its vote share anywhere ive looked in the so called civilised western world. Pr is about compromise. The fptp stitch up isnt. It's no accident in my view the best government of the modern era was the Cameron Clegg coalition at Westminster , and that's saying something. Pr is a compromise and given the choice of the two systems would agree with regard the number of seats . There is just something that sticks in my craw that the people who cause the chaos and demise of a party would still be sitting in parliament . Maybe some sort of Hybrid would be better ,fewer wards where people are elected and a party list of people that have never been in parliament . They then have one term to impress .  Needs further thought , I'll get back to you |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 11:44:21 GMT
Wow did you see the picture of that far left French leader, he looks like a right fuckin nut job, at least Macron is smart and presentable. its fun though. Macron is sweating , his plans are in disarray whats not to like? I bet starmer is sweating as well , with whats coming down the tracks for him. Yeah we need to order our supplies of popcorn now .... LOL |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:45:49 GMT
I disagree. No system is infallible , but pr doesn't allow a party on a tiny minority of the vote to have double the seats in comparison to its vote share anywhere ive looked in the so called civilised western world. Pr is about compromise. The fptp stitch up isnt. It's no accident in my view the best government of the modern era was the Cameron Clegg coalition at Westminster , and that's saying something. Pr is a compromise and given the choice of the two systems would agree with regard the number of seats . There is just something that sticks in my craw that the people who cause the chaos and demise of a party would still be sitting in parliament . Maybe some sort of Hybrid would be better ,fewer wards where people are elected and a party list of people that have never been in parliament . They then have one term to impress . Needs further thought , I'll get back to you that's democracy. None of us think alike politically, and at best political movements and even parties are just a group of people who share common but not identical views. you have to accept others who dont share your views exactly , and im aware you are no vinkovski type character wanting to shoot dissenters , will take seats in a parliament of varied views. The point is , at the basic level , we should reward a party with a proportionate amount of seats , not double it under a backward out of date dodgy banana republic system. robbert mugabe would be laughing in his grave just now about the British calling him corrupt. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 11:50:13 GMT
The general election result was partly due to what voters DO WANT and partly due to what they DONT WANT ... any more Tory government So far, not one U Turn from the Labour party manifesto, or pledges going into the election, but then its less than one week since the new government took over. WAS there a manifesto ? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 11:52:06 GMT
Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned... I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". being fair, I voted for 'not the party of that corrupt Zambian shitbag' |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 12:44:05 GMT
The general election result was partly due to what voters DO WANT and partly due to what they DONT WANT ... any more Tory government So far, not one U Turn from the Labour party manifesto, or pledges going into the election, but then its less than one week since the new government took over. WAS there a manifesto ? aye. It said sell the status quo as change to the gullible , and call it progress. |
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Needs further thought , I'll get back to you 
