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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 10:43:54 GMT
Well, we need signs from government that it isn't useless. Hold more referendums. I agree.
But they don't want to know what the public want or thinks. They want to pretend they know so that they can tell us what they want and pretend that it enjoys public support.
We don't live in a democracy.
UK-wide referendums on devolution, Electric Car mandates, HS2, green bin charges, public transport, housing policy etc. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:46:13 GMT
what is the great plan then Sid? I must have missed it. Grand sounding titles , with little detail like GB energy , which isnt an energy company, and won't renationalise energy , or for example Reeves shaking up planning permission to allow builders to build dodgy estates ,yet more unaffordable housing , at massive profit to them , on flood plains? No council houses for the English , and Wes streeting demand scotland privatise our NHS ? I tell you Sid , im patiently waiting on the red tories setting the heather on fire , im giving you time , its early days , but by christ labour are boring. It seems that man of the people, Knight of the Realm ,of the extra special personal pension fund just for him and no-one else could hugely benefit from any relaxation in planning regs as he owns 7 acres of prime land in Surrey , which, with planning permission, would by now realise in excess of £10 m. Councils will be put under pressure to grant planning so how long before those prime 7 acres see pp granted? He has always been keen to play down his privilege and play up his working-class roots. But Sir Keir Starmer owns seven acres of land that could be worth up to £10 million, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
The Labour leader acquired the property, on green belt next to the Surrey home where he grew up, in 1996, while he was working as a human rights lawyer.
It does not have planning permission, but the local council is under pressure to provide thousands of new homes, and has accepted it must sacrifice green belt to meet targets. Families living near the field fear Sir Keir might one day sell it and worry that any future development will transform the area’s character.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327255/Man-people-New-Labour-leader-Sir-Keir-owns-seven-acres-land-Surrey-worth-10m.htmlthe so called Labour Party manifesto is nothing more than a thank you from keir starmer , to high profile Labour Party donors , while the cult like members and supporters like Sid and to the left beg for crumbs from starmers table. its embarrassing watching the delusion that these champagnes socialists are some sort of working class heroes in government. To the left can't even give me any evidence of new labour building much sought after council houses , just relaxing planning laws and hoping . Governance on a wing and a prayer. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 9, 2024 10:47:28 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 10:50:17 GMT
That's what I wanted to see, the fearsome five, Farage looks like a Mafia don boss with his hit squad, puts Starmer to shame, who looks like a bank manager refusing a customer a loan.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2024 10:50:20 GMT
as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. No you're quite wrong there Tam. We have used the current version of FPTP since 1885, if as you claim this system caused political decline it would not have lasted for the past 140 years in this country and be the preferred voting system in many other countries including the US and Canada and the biggest democracy in the world, India. You mention Kim Jong Un, somehow I doubt the North Korean electorate would understand what voting was let along FPTP. I'm not going into PR again, I've listed the reasons why it's a flawed system many times over the past few days. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:52:03 GMT
I agree.
But they don't want to know what the public want or thinks. They want to pretend they know so that they can tell us what they want and pretend that it enjoys public support.
We don't live in a democracy.
UK-wide referendums on devolution, Electric Car mandates, HS2, green bin charges, public transport, housing policy etc. Putin wants a soviet wide referendum on Ukrainian democracy too vinkovski. You are the biggest totalitarian anti democrat on this forum , more suited to the Labour Party than anything else. Hiding behind cherry picked democratic principles when it suits. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:55:21 GMT
as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. No you're quite wrong there Tam. We have used the current version of FPTP since 1885, if as you claim this system caused political decline it would not have lasted for the past 140 years in this country and be the preferred voting system in many other countries including the US and Canada and the biggest democracy in the world, India. You mention Kim Jong Un, somehow I doubt the North Korean electorate would understand what voting was let along FPTP. I'm not going into PR again, I've listed the reasons why it's a flawed system many times over the past few days. dont agree. its barely a century , not 140 , we have had universal vote , and of that century , fptp has been breaking down over the last 25 years. The majority of the world use proportional voting . FPTP is a minority. Which country in the so called civilised world has a government with 64% of the seats on 33.7 % of the vote ? Can you tell me who matches that democratic outrage ? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 9, 2024 10:55:56 GMT
I agree.
But they don't want to know what the public want or thinks. They want to pretend they know so that they can tell us what they want and pretend that it enjoys public support.
We don't live in a democracy.
UK-wide referendums on devolution, Electric Car mandates, HS2, green bin charges, public transport, housing policy etc. Won't be happening any time soon. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:59:02 GMT
as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. No you're quite wrong there Tam. We have used the current version of FPTP since 1885, if as you claim this system caused political decline it would not have lasted for the past 140 years in this country and be the preferred voting system in many other countries including the US and Canada and the biggest democracy in the world, India. You mention Kim Jong Un, somehow I doubt the North Korean electorate would understand what voting was let along FPTP. I'm not going into PR again, I've listed the reasons why it's a flawed system many times over the past few days. Vinny has spent this thread criticising fptp , now he likes your post in support of fptp. Jesus Christ , no wonder the uk is in a fucking mess with people who contradict themselves like this. Vinny wants fptp when it suits , and democracy when it suits. yet spends inordinate amount of time moaning about both , simply because he can't accept others dont share his totalitarian views. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:01:52 GMT
UK-wide referendums on devolution, Electric Car mandates, HS2, green bin charges, public transport, housing policy etc. Won't be happening any time soon. exactly the two main parties that fptp unfairly endorse do not support referendums , and have to be dragged kicking and screaming to implement them on occasion. Vinny appears to post whatever comes into his head without thought. If you support uk wide referendums , and want parties that abolish devolution , ive said to him repeatedly why doesn't he support them , or form a party that endorses his views instead of spending time on here carping about killing invaders or bombing the snp. Im seriously thinking about supporting a party that advocates an intelligence test before allowing people to vote. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 11:03:16 GMT
UK-wide referendums on devolution, Electric Car mandates, HS2, green bin charges, public transport, housing policy etc. Won't be happening any time soon. Alas not, but that's what we need. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:05:45 GMT
Won't be happening any time soon. Alas not, but that's what we need. so how do we go about getting it vinkovski? Screaming empty platitudes on an obscure interwebby forum doesn't do anything. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2024 11:27:52 GMT
Yep. I think Parliament should stand down and just let the EU become caretakers. that's a few times Andrew you have mentioned or hinted about the EU since I came on here yesterday. Will starmer have the bottle to take the uk back in via some closer association , rule taking BRINO ? with no mandate? No, I don't believe it for a second. But I'm enjoying the paranoia of those that do, who are of course not retainers. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2024 11:32:45 GMT
Like it or not ,Westminster has now arrived at the multi party system , but clings on to the old two party stitch up as though the snp , reform and others haven't materialised. Its a disgrace , and as you say , remoaners like Andrew who couldnt accept losing 48 52 are now expecting us to swallow 33.7% win rate giving 64% of seats , while still carping on about a referendum he lost in 2016. That's unfair. I've been consistent in my support for PR. I have made several posts on the matter and am signed up to the Make Votes Matter campaign. I think that you have mistaken me for a Labour supporter, which I'm not, but I'm happy that we don't have a Tory government. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 11:33:48 GMT
Wow did you see the picture of that far left French leader, he looks like a right fuckin nut job, at least Macron is smart and presentable.
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