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Post by sheepy on Jul 9, 2024 9:16:44 GMT
Well the lefties wanted to overturn the democratic vote of the people and have another referendum because it wasn't the result they wanted.
So now we want another GE because it wasn't the result we wanted.  Well, they said that 52% wasn't good enough - so clearly they accept that 34% isn't.
And let's face it: They didn't know what they were voting for.
LOL for sure that is coming back with a bite. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jul 9, 2024 9:37:03 GMT
Corbyn was and probably still is more popular and even got more votes than sir kneel-a-lot . He is PM by default ,through the incompetence of the Tories which lost the floating vote and the slide to the left which lost them the vote of their own supporters . But a re-run ? Same result I'm afraid , when we dont like any of them we get what we dont like as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. I agree , not sure what the answer to the decline is be it the voting system or just trying to encourage better candidates . Years gone by you could look through the ranks of red and blue and see many ,well a few potential leaders , today we have none . PR wouldn't change that but just give the chancers who rise to the top of their party a free ride into Westminster . For example the likes of George Osborne , Ed Balls ,Penny 'the sword carrier' Mourdant and the Honourable member for the 18th c would still have a job . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 9, 2024 9:44:22 GMT
...as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. My question is: At what point does credibility fail? What happens when we reach say 50% turnout and a party gains a huge majority with only about 10% voter support? The pretence of democracy is becoming harder and harder to maintain. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 9:44:49 GMT
as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. I agree , not sure what the answer to the decline is be it the voting system or just trying to encourage better candidates . Years gone by you could look through the ranks of red and blue and see many ,well a few potential leaders , today we have none . PR wouldn't change that but just give the chancers who rise to the top of their party a free ride into Westminster . For example the likes of George Osborne , Ed Balls ,Penny 'the sword carrier' Mourdant and the Honourable member for the 18th c would still have a job . I disagree. No system is infallible , but pr doesn't allow a party on a tiny minority of the vote to have double the seats in comparison to its vote share anywhere ive looked in the so called civilised western world. Pr is about compromise. The fptp stitch up isnt. It's no accident in my view the best government of the modern era was the Cameron Clegg coalition at Westminster , and that's saying something. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2024 9:44:58 GMT
The general election result was partly due to what voters DO WANT and partly due to what they DONT WANT ... any more Tory government So far, not one U Turn from the Labour party manifesto, or pledges going into the election, but then its less than one week since the new government took over. You are of course, quite wrong. The reason Reform UK (A party that's just three years old) won 14.3% of the vote is precisely because the Tories are not Conservative. And with policies like this: Rayner says Labour will build 1.5 million homes for immigrants Cooper says 'refugees' are welcome Reeves says Labour will cover the countryside with wind turbines Dodds says Labour will make it easier for confused kids to change sex Etc etc... Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned, and support for Reform or a proper centre right Conservative party will surge. This government with it's insane support for the EU, immigration and net zero may prove to be the most unpopular government in modern political history. We'll pick this up in 12 months... |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 9:50:39 GMT
...as long as the uk continues with fptp , you will see the continued political decline , and the coronation of chancers like that clown starmer. I still can't believe reform got 14 % of the vote , the liberals 12% , but got 4 and 72 seats respectively , before we even moan about labour small 33.7 per cent share. Corbyn dont forget had the whole establishment against him , and all the media , starmer the opposite , and he still got half million less than Corbyn. It's fucking laughable. apparently Kim Jong un loves the uk fptp system , and has instructed the politburo to implement it immediately. My question is: At what point does credibility fail? What happens when we reach say 50% turnout and a party gains a huge majority with only about 10% voter support? The pretence of democracy is becoming harder and harder to maintain. iu think we are there now. Traditionally , its been accepted a 40 % mandate of the voters gave a majority government . Labour are privately im hearing dismayed they couldnt manage that , with criticism being reported of starmers leadership and inability to win a mandate from the people that could be considered normal for FPTP. Like it or not ,Westminster has now arrived at the multi party system , but clings on to the old two party stitch up as though the snp , reform and others haven't materialised. Its a disgrace , and as you say , remoaners like Andrew who couldnt accept losing 48 52 are now expecting us to swallow 33.7% win rate giving 64% of seats , while still carping on about a referendum he lost in 2016. While we are taking the piss about Russian and Chinese elections , about Putin and president Jinping are doing the same about what just happened here. labour are rewarded for mediocrity. they didnt win , the tories and snp vote fell past them while they stood still ( ok went down a tad on 2019) |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 9, 2024 9:52:57 GMT
Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned... I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 9:55:16 GMT
Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned... I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". savanta had a poll out showing the majority of scotland and England didnt want a labour government , merely wanted the tories out of Westminster. So spot on. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2024 9:56:55 GMT
Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned... I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". I agree, it's been said elswhere that Labour didn't win this election, the Tories lost it. And that's true. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 9:59:10 GMT
I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". I agree, it's been said elswhere that Labour didn't win this election, the Tories lost it. And that's true.  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 9:59:15 GMT
Do you really think this is what the majority of Labour voters voted for? It wont be long before Labour voters become disillusioned... I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". They sent pollsters to survey voters outside polling stations, the pollsters said they were shocked when they asked voters to name the leaders of the mainstream political parties, most of them couldn't name one .... but went on to say 'we are voting Labour' ... so there you have it, Clueless people voting for a Clueless Labour. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 9, 2024 10:02:47 GMT
I don't think that the majority of Labour voters had a clue what they were voting for, other than "Not Tory". They sent pollsters to survey voters outside polling stations, the pollsters said they were shocked when they asked voters to name the leaders of the mainstream political parties, most of them couldn't name one .... but went on to say 'we are voting Labour' ... so there you have it, Clueless people voting for a Clueless Labour. have you got a link to this survey |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 10:07:44 GMT
They sent pollsters to survey voters outside polling stations, the pollsters said they were shocked when they asked voters to name the leaders of the mainstream political parties, most of them couldn't name one .... but went on to say 'we are voting Labour' ... so there you have it, Clueless people voting for a Clueless Labour. have you got a link to this survey They were doing the survey, survey's don't survey themselves. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 9, 2024 10:10:23 GMT
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 9, 2024 10:10:51 GMT
have you got a link to this survey They were doing the survey, survey's don't survey themselves. so we got to talk your world for it |
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