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Post by ratcliff on Jul 7, 2024 14:24:30 GMT
Actually it cost us £1.8 billion last year because the retailers added it to our bills. Indeed, and tbh it's probably a lot more than £1.8 billion. I wonder how much shop theft goes unreported?.. A few months ago were not largish shops stating that the police weren't interested in any theft under £500 so they were commissioning private prosecutors like this one?
The prosecution of offenders through the criminal courts has become increasingly difficult due to the reduction in resources for Trading Standards Services, Police, and other law enforcement agencies.
TM Eye undertakes private criminal prosecutions on behalf of its clients. We gather overwhelming evidence of ‘crimes in action’ using established pro-active policing techniques. The evidence obtained is collated and submitted for review by our legal partners.
tm-eye.co.uk/what-we-do/private-prosecutions/ |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 14:40:33 GMT
A few months ago were not largish shops stating that the police weren't interested in any theft under £500 so they were commissioning private prosecutors like this one?
The prosecution of offenders through the criminal courts has become increasingly difficult due to the reduction in resources for Trading Standards Services, Police, and other law enforcement agencies.
TM Eye undertakes private criminal prosecutions on behalf of its clients. We gather overwhelming evidence of ‘crimes in action’ using established pro-active policing techniques. The evidence obtained is collated and submitted for review by our legal partners.
tm-eye.co.uk/what-we-do/private-prosecutions/Sad state of affairs when retailers have to resort to private prosecutions because the police aren't interested. No doubt if a shop owner caught a thief and gave him a slap the police would be on him like a rash. It's mad. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 7, 2024 15:31:37 GMT
A few months ago were not largish shops stating that the police weren't interested in any theft under £500 so they were commissioning private prosecutors like this one?
The prosecution of offenders through the criminal courts has become increasingly difficult due to the reduction in resources for Trading Standards Services, Police, and other law enforcement agencies.
TM Eye undertakes private criminal prosecutions on behalf of its clients. We gather overwhelming evidence of ‘crimes in action’ using established pro-active policing techniques. The evidence obtained is collated and submitted for review by our legal partners.
tm-eye.co.uk/what-we-do/private-prosecutions/Sad state of affairs when retailers have to resort to private prosecutions because the police aren't interested. No doubt if a shop owner caught a thief and gave him a slap the police would be on him like a rash. It's mad. The answer is of course more police on the streets and more funding for the police, but then that is how the police get more funding, by creating problems then spending the extra money nicking us lot for stupid stuff like wrong words or even it is said you can be prosecuted for giving someone the wrong look according to British Rail's propaganda department. The system takes the piss. It is parasitical. It makes work for itself, then uses the resources to screw us. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 15:55:45 GMT
Sad state of affairs when retailers have to resort to private prosecutions because the police aren't interested. No doubt if a shop owner caught a thief and gave him a slap the police would be on him like a rash. It's mad. The answer is of course more police on the streets and more funding for the police, but then that is how the police get more funding, by creating problems then spending the extra money nicking us lot for stupid stuff like wrong words or even it is said you can be prosecuted for giving someone the wrong look according to British Rail's propaganda department. The system takes the piss. It is parasitical. It makes work for itself, then uses the resources to screw us. Well yes, indeed. Who would have thought that under a conservative government the police would become so woke. This is just a part of the reason the Tories have just received a good kicking at the ballot box. Labours loveless landslide was a protest against the Tories, not a vote of confidence in Labour, and Starmer knows it. However... One answer for retailers would be to allow shop staff to defend themselves and their property against thieves and thugs. Naturally lefties will throw their arms in the air and insist such a policy would never work. But it would work. Thieving chavs would be less likely to visit a premises where they know the business will fight back. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 15:57:51 GMT
My point wasn’t about you. Some people are traumatised after their house has been burgled. My point was that the offender will get the treatment and the victim will have to wait . Oh I understood that only too well My wife's parents never got over having their home invaded and their property stolen. My wife was only a teenager when it happened and was indeed distraught at it, So much so that when my fellow tenant and I came home at the same time to our HMO in days before HMO's were called such, shortly after my marriage, and a thieving piece of shit my fellow tenant and I found trying to break into a third flat turned and attacked us both, badly lacerating my arm and causing blood to go EVERYWHERE, the largest part of subsequent facial and upper body injury sustained by the thug were done not by me, but by my wife and and a rolling pin. She said afterwards it made her feel MUCH better about her problem of seven years earlier. I can honestly say I felt absolutely no mental anguish whatsoever at being forced to subdued such scum until the police arrived. I guess these days we would cause a definite reduction in Reoffending. Given the police don't bother turning out for burglary we'd have no choice these days other than to render the thug senseless then throw him in the river to let nature finish him off Good for you . So what happens when the victim isn’t capable of rendering justice ? Do they call the equaliser or A team? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 16:02:35 GMT
A few months ago were not largish shops stating that the police weren't interested in any theft under £500 so they were commissioning private prosecutors like this one?
The prosecution of offenders through the criminal courts has become increasingly difficult due to the reduction in resources for Trading Standards Services, Police, and other law enforcement agencies.
TM Eye undertakes private criminal prosecutions on behalf of its clients. We gather overwhelming evidence of ‘crimes in action’ using established pro-active policing techniques. The evidence obtained is collated and submitted for review by our legal partners.
tm-eye.co.uk/what-we-do/private-prosecutions/Sad state of affairs when retailers have to resort to private prosecutions because the police aren't interested. No doubt if a shop owner caught a thief and gave him a slap the police would be on him like a rash. It's mad. I was speaking to my barber ( a woman) about Tescos . We both worked at the same branch but at a different time . I made a joke about Waitrose ..something about a better class of customer. She laughed and told me there are as many shoplifters in Waitrose as any supermarket. She told me that she has often caught old posh( and foul mouthed) biddies stealing stuff from Waitrose . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 7, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
When I was a kid we had Netto supermarkets, no kid would have a lunch box with anything that said Netto on it, people would use M&S bags because no one would have a Netto bag, and no one ever shoplifted in Netto ... the couldn't live with the shame if it went in the papers.
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Post by patman post on Jul 7, 2024 16:41:26 GMT
I'm not sure there is any evidence to support the idea that locking more people up leads to less crime - perhaps rehabilitation rather than incarceration could work better. I doubt it would be any cheaper though. There are claims that prisons are almost indoctrination centres for crime. I've also read accounts by ex-prisoners Jonathan Aitkin, Jeffrey Archer, Denis McShane, of their experiences of the failings of the UK prison system and how they tried to help in various ways. In recent presentation given by Sir John Major last year that I've also seen, he states:
It is instructive to consider the overwhelming characteristics of adults committed to prison:
• nearly two-thirds of them have used Class A drugs;
• many are illiterate, or innumerate, or both;
• almost half have no educational or vocational qualifications whatsoever;
• the intellectual assessment of many prisoners equates to that of a primary school pupil.
Two-fifths of those in prison were either expelled or excluded from school; three fifths were frequent truants; many were taken into care as a child; or observed violence in the home; or suffered abuse; sometimes even all of the above.
All of this is a truly wretched preparation for adult life.
From what I've seen and heard, it seems a no-brainer that while people are imprisoned, they're given access to education and training...
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 16:50:32 GMT
Sad state of affairs when retailers have to resort to private prosecutions because the police aren't interested. No doubt if a shop owner caught a thief and gave him a slap the police would be on him like a rash. It's mad. I was speaking to my barber ( a woman) about Tescos . We both worked at the same branch but at a different time . I made a joke about Waitrose ..something about a better class of customer. She laughed and told me there are as many shoplifters in Waitrose as any supermarket. She told me that she has often caught old posh( and foul mouthed) biddies stealing stuff from Waitrose . At the risk of sounding like a snob, which I'm not, we occasionally shop in M&S. As we walk around the 'food hall' it's obvious there's a different vibe to Tesco or Morrisons, looking around you can see people are definately well heeled, as you say a better class of customer, or so you may think. I always chat to people and I asked a member of staff, a middle aged woman (Picture Mrs Slocombe) what the new barriers by the doors were for. She looked over her shoulder, then said in a low voice, shoplifters. For some reason I was surprised and asked her if shoplifting was a problem. She gave her best shocked face and whispered, ohh you wouldn't believe it. Really? I said. She nodded sagely, we moved on. Goes to show I suppose, thieving chavs don't always wear ripped jeans and trainers and are not restricted to budget supermarkets. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 16:52:42 GMT
When I was a kid we had Netto supermarkets, no kid would have a lunch box with anything that said Netto on it, people would use M&S bags because no one would have a Netto bag, and no one ever shoplifted in Netto ... the couldn't live with the shame if it went in the papers. LOL, very good. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 17:09:06 GMT
There are claims that prisons are almost indoctrination centres for crime. I've also read accounts by ex-prisoners Jonathan Aitkin, Jeffrey Archer, Denis McShane, of their experiences of the failings of the UK prison system and how they tried to help in various ways. In recent presentation given by Sir John Major last year that I've also seen, he states: It is instructive to consider the overwhelming characteristics of adults committed to prison:
• nearly two-thirds of them have used Class A drugs;
• many are illiterate, or innumerate, or both;
• almost half have no educational or vocational qualifications whatsoever;
• the intellectual assessment of many prisoners equates to that of a primary school pupil.
Two-fifths of those in prison were either expelled or excluded from school; three fifths were frequent truants; many were taken into care as a child; or observed violence in the home; or suffered abuse; sometimes even all of the above.
All of this is a truly wretched preparation for adult life.
From what I've seen and heard, it seems a no-brainer that while people are imprisoned, they're given access to education and training...
The problem is, in my opinion, some people have lost sight of the fact that prison is first and foremost, a punishment. No one goes to prison for good behaviour. I agree that well behaved prisoners should be encouraged to take advantage of any opportunity to improve their education, but it should never be forgotten that prison is a punishment. And in a civilised society prison is a necessary punishment. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 17:12:23 GMT
I'm not sure there is any evidence to support the idea that locking more people up leads to less crime - perhaps rehabilitation rather than incarceration could work better. I doubt it would be any cheaper though. There are claims that prisons are almost indoctrination centres for crime. I've also read accounts by ex-prisoners Jonathan Aitkin, Jeffrey Archer, Denis McShane, of their experiences of the failings of the UK prison system and how they tried to help in various ways. In recent presentation given by Sir John Major last year that I've also seen, he states:
It is instructive to consider the overwhelming characteristics of adults committed to prison:
• nearly two-thirds of them have used Class A drugs;
• many are illiterate, or innumerate, or both;
• almost half have no educational or vocational qualifications whatsoever;
• the intellectual assessment of many prisoners equates to that of a primary school pupil.
Two-fifths of those in prison were either expelled or excluded from school; three fifths were frequent truants; many were taken into care as a child; or observed violence in the home; or suffered abuse; sometimes even all of the above.
All of this is a truly wretched preparation for adult life.
From what I've seen and heard, it seems a no-brainer that while people are imprisoned, they're given access to education and training...
You’ve answered your own point . Make prisons better |
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Post by patman post on Jul 7, 2024 17:15:48 GMT
There are claims that prisons are almost indoctrination centres for crime. I've also read accounts by ex-prisoners Jonathan Aitkin, Jeffrey Archer, Denis McShane, of their experiences of the failings of the UK prison system and how they tried to help in various ways. In recent presentation given by Sir John Major last year that I've also seen, he states: It is instructive to consider the overwhelming characteristics of adults committed to prison:
• nearly two-thirds of them have used Class A drugs;
• many are illiterate, or innumerate, or both;
• almost half have no educational or vocational qualifications whatsoever;
• the intellectual assessment of many prisoners equates to that of a primary school pupil.
Two-fifths of those in prison were either expelled or excluded from school; three fifths were frequent truants; many were taken into care as a child; or observed violence in the home; or suffered abuse; sometimes even all of the above.
All of this is a truly wretched preparation for adult life.
From what I've seen and heard, it seems a no-brainer that while people are imprisoned, they're given access to education and training...
The problem is, in my opinion, some people have lost sight of the fact that prison is first and foremost, a punishment. No one goes to prison for good behaviour. I agree that well behaved prisoners should be encouraged to take advantage of any opportunity to improve their education, but it should never be forgotten that prison is a punishment. And in a civilised society prison is a necessary punishment. And encouragement "not to do it again"? If so, that part appears to be lacking... |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2024 17:25:24 GMT
From what I've seen and heard, it seems a no-brainer that while people are imprisoned, they're given access to education and training ...
I would agree but its almost impossible to do that with the level of overcrowding that we have. I'd like to see some better use of alternative sentences and some assessment of why people are sent to prison in the first place. I cant see why people who fail to pay the BBC Licence fee and then fail to pay the fine are imprisoned - there must be a better way. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 17:29:51 GMT
The problem is, in my opinion, some people have lost sight of the fact that prison is first and foremost, a punishment. No one goes to prison for good behaviour. I agree that well behaved prisoners should be encouraged to take advantage of any opportunity to improve their education, but it should never be forgotten that prison is a punishment. And in a civilised society prison is a necessary punishment. And encouragement "not to do it again"? If so, that part appears to be lacking... How do you encourage a criminal not to commit crime? I accept not all people in prison are career criminals, but many are. How do you 'encourage' someone with 20 previous convictions not to do it again? Here's a concept that you will no doubt disagree with. I believe a good deterrent is a harsh system. Not a cruel system, but an austere strict system. If prison was a place in which an offender never wished to visit twice it would go a long way to reducing the prison population. |
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