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Post by witchfinder on Jul 7, 2024 12:25:22 GMT
NO ONE has suggested or proposed that people serving sentences for knife crime should either be let free or not serve custodial sentences. What is been talked about is those who have committed petty crimes, such as shoplifting or petty theft, and discussion is also around those that should not even be in prison ... people who need psychiatric helo NOT prison. How typical, you lefties are bloody dangerous. Shop theft is not petty, it cost retailers £1.8 billion last year. It's a gateway crime that often leads to more serious crime. Christ almighty, in order to empty prisons and get crime figs down I can see you lot decriminalising 'petty' crime which would ensure wonderfully multicultural Labour voting ghettoes become even more dangerous. Well, for a start off lets not forget which government had no choice in letting out offendors / prisoners early, it was the Conservative government, and they had no choice because there is not enough space for the amount of prisoners. The new government also has no choice, because the Tory created problem is not going to go away soon A person who steals a bottle of vodka because they are an alcoholic, or groceries because they are hungry, should not be in a prison mixing with REAL criminals, who often teach these petty criminals all the tricks of the trade. In the market town of Northallerton in North Yorkshire stands a statue of Sophia Constable, the youngest person ever to be imprisoned in Northallerton jail, she was 11 years old, her crime was stealing a loaf of bread, due to poverty and hunger, she is an ancestor of mine. A sizeable percentage of crime today is due to social issues that are not properly addressed, such as alcoholism, mental health and poverty, and that is an undeniable and indisputable fact. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 7, 2024 12:26:33 GMT
Let us not forget that the prison space problem is a Tory problem, and we are now here debating how to solve this Tory created problem. The prison estate is crumbling, and not enough capacity has been built People with mental health problems DO NOT belong in prisons, they belong in psychiatric hospitals and / or secure hospitals, but of course there's the other Tory created problem ... not enough capacity, not enough psychiatrists, not enough mental health nurses. Until recently children with mental health issues were been dumped in prisons by the police because there was nowhere else to put them, children are now, today, waiting many months for URGENT childrens mental health appointments. As Starmer and others have repeatedly said, everything is broken, the Tories have fucked everything up, and its going to take some time to begin to repair all the damage. You're in denial, fiddles.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 7, 2024 12:28:40 GMT
NO ONE has suggested or proposed that people serving sentences for knife crime should either be let free or not serve custodial sentences. What is been talked about is those who have committed petty crimes, such as shoplifting or petty theft, and discussion is also around those that should not even be in prison ... people who need psychiatric helo NOT prison. How typical, you lefties are bloody dangerous. Shop theft is not petty, it cost retailers £1.8 billion last year. It's a gateway crime that often leads to more serious crime. Christ almighty, in order to empty prisons and get crime figs down I can see you lot decriminalising 'petty' crime which would ensure wonderfully multicultural Labour voting ghettoes become even more dangerous. And no one goes to prison for shoplifting, unless it's their 50th time. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 7, 2024 12:30:36 GMT
How typical, you lefties are bloody dangerous. Shop theft is not petty, it cost retailers £1.8 billion last year. It's a gateway crime that often leads to more serious crime. Christ almighty, in order to empty prisons and get crime figs down I can see you lot decriminalising 'petty' crime which would ensure wonderfully multicultural Labour voting ghettoes become even more dangerous. A few years ago I accompanied a college party to the local magistrates court to watch proceedings. One that stuck out was a chap (early 20s) who was jailed for 2 months for driving while disqualified and no tax or insurance It was his first prison sentence , but his 17th conviction for the same offence where he'd previously had fines/community punishments/interventions and the like That's about par for the course. And then they get let out early.
The legal system is a joke.
We do not have too many prisoners. We have too many criminals because we don't send anywhere near enough of them to prison or for anywhere near long enough.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 7, 2024 12:35:08 GMT
How typical, you lefties are bloody dangerous. Shop theft is not petty, it cost retailers £1.8 billion last year. It's a gateway crime that often leads to more serious crime. Christ almighty, in order to empty prisons and get crime figs down I can see you lot decriminalising 'petty' crime which would ensure wonderfully multicultural Labour voting ghettoes become even more dangerous. Well, for a start off lets not forget which government had no choice in letting out offendors / prisoners early, it was the Conservative government, and they had no choice because there is not enough space for the amount of prisoners. The new government also has no choice, because the Tory created problem is not going to go away soon A person who steals a bottle of vodka because they are an alcoholic, or groceries because they are hungry, should not be in a prison mixing with REAL criminals, who often teach these petty criminals all the tricks of the trade. In the market town of Northallerton in North Yorkshire stands a statue of Sophia Constable, the youngest person ever to be imprisoned in Northallerton jail, she was 11 years old, her crime was stealing a loaf of bread, due to poverty and hunger, she is an ancestor of mine. A sizeable percentage of crime today is due to social issues that are not properly addressed, such as alcoholism, mental health and poverty, and that is an undeniable and indisputable fact. No need whatsoever to steal food from shops ,benefits pay for their desired lifestyle , foodbanks provide their every need free of charge these days , apparently they get tea and biscuits while a do gooder bags the 'shopping'' in a non judgemental shopping bag. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 12:50:08 GMT
Well, for a start off lets not forget which government had no choice in letting out offendors / prisoners early, it was the Conservative government, and they had no choice because there is not enough space for the amount of prisoners. The new government also has no choice, because the Tory created problem is not going to go away soon A person who steals a bottle of vodka because they are an alcoholic, or groceries because they are hungry, should not be in a prison mixing with REAL criminals, who often teach these petty criminals all the tricks of the trade. In the market town of Northallerton in North Yorkshire stands a statue of Sophia Constable, the youngest person ever to be imprisoned in Northallerton jail, she was 11 years old, her crime was stealing a loaf of bread, due to poverty and hunger, she is an ancestor of mine. A sizeable percentage of crime today is due to social issues that are not properly addressed, such as alcoholism, mental health and poverty, and that is an undeniable and indisputable fact. I never suggested the Tories got it right, they didn't, but traditionally the Tories have had more of an idea when it comes to law & order than Labour. I wonder, is anyone surprised prisons are full? I'm not. The population has increased by 8 million over the past two decades and net migration is currently running at 800,000 a year. Add to that the fact that we have never had so many people in this country who do not share our values or way of life and it's pretty obvious to see why the prison population has increased, it's bound to go up in line with the population. The answer is not to let prisoners out or stop sending people to prison, the obvious answer is to build more prisons. Who knew? Yes I know prisons are expensive, but if the government can find £8 million a day for illegals to stay in hotels, they can afford to build more prisons. I am aware social issues such as the ones you mention are a reality for some people and that should be taken into consideration, but pulling a wheelie bin into a shop filling it with goods and walking out full in the knowledge the shop wont stop you has got nothing to do with poverty. It's criminality, and it's criminality that's being ignored which is why shop theft cost retailers £1.8 billion last year. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 7, 2024 12:55:43 GMT
Actually it cost us £1.8 billion last year because the retailers added it to our bills.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 7, 2024 12:57:09 GMT
Well, for a start off lets not forget which government had no choice in letting out offendors / prisoners early, it was the Conservative government, and they had no choice because there is not enough space for the amount of prisoners. The new government also has no choice, because the Tory created problem is not going to go away soon A person who steals a bottle of vodka because they are an alcoholic, or groceries because they are hungry, should not be in a prison mixing with REAL criminals, who often teach these petty criminals all the tricks of the trade. In the market town of Northallerton in North Yorkshire stands a statue of Sophia Constable, the youngest person ever to be imprisoned in Northallerton jail, she was 11 years old, her crime was stealing a loaf of bread, due to poverty and hunger, she is an ancestor of mine. A sizeable percentage of crime today is due to social issues that are not properly addressed, such as alcoholism, mental health and poverty, and that is an undeniable and indisputable fact. No need whatsoever to steal food from shops ,benefits pay for their desired lifestyle , foodbanks provide their every need free of charge these days , apparently they get tea and biscuits while a do gooder bags the 'shopping'' in a non judgemental shopping bag. Well if they are not going to give you a job anyway due to a criminal record, and you go on universal credit where you spend your days applying for jobs that are just wasted time and then you get fucked off with them and frustrated and then you get sanctioned for telling them to fuck off then you think, to hell with this stupid game, there must be an easier way. It's just psychology. If ever normal person gives you shit and you can't do anything, then there will become a point where you develop a deep hated for them and start thinking they are all the same kind of bastards. You will throw the towel in, and probably go and ramraid a Tescos since you applied for ten jobs and they ignored every one as a matter of routine. These people never started off this bad, but the system made them that way. And I have met these type so I do know what I'm talking about. The system really does not. It is extremely naive. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 13:12:52 GMT
Actually it cost us £1.8 billion last year because the retailers added it to our bills. Indeed, and tbh it's probably a lot more than £1.8 billion. I wonder how much shop theft goes unreported?.. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 13:18:46 GMT
It was always going to happen. Labour will solve the prison overcrowding problem by letting prisoners go free, and jailing fewar. Knife carrying gang members must be laughing their heads off. Labour will also stop illegals crossing the channel in dinghies by sending ferries for them. You think I'm joking? lol wait and see. NO ONE has suggested or proposed that people serving sentences for knife crime should either be let free or not serve custodial sentences. What is been talked about is those who have committed petty crimes, such as shoplifting or petty theft, and discussion is also around those that should not even be in prison ... people who need psychiatric helo NOT prison. Shoplifting isn’t petty crime . It’s idiotic thinking like that that has increased the number of incidents . |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 13:23:08 GMT
The scumbags that burgles your house will get psychiatric’ help’ while your wife and kids will be traumatised and told counselling has a 3 year waiting list .
Welcome to the thin edge of the ‘ Labour turns the UK into a shithole ‘ wedge.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 7, 2024 13:49:04 GMT
So, if about one quarter of prisoners reoffend, I take it that approximately 75% do not reoffend ? I know for certain in my mind that James Timpson, former chairman of the Employers Forum for Reducing Re-offending (EFFRR), and also chairman of the Prison Reform Trust, knows a lot more about the subject than you or I know. My point is that you made the claim that those given the chance to turn away from crime do so and that this was on the increase The facts as published are that there is actually an INCREASE in the rate of Reoffending, I'd like to have this warm, fluffy feeling that the poor wretched forced into criminal acts by circumstances are all too happy to turn away from their criminal ways But I am a scientist living in the real world, not a labour voter Under Labour the administrators of the open prison up the road were forced into putting out notices on a weekly basis that looking on the bright side the latest miscreant incarcerated for murder who, transferred to the open prison ahead of their release on licence, had wandered out for the weekend as was allowed, but had seen fit NOT to return on Monday morning as required was 'only' a murderer and not a sex offender. As I forced the twats to admit in a public meeting, this was of little comfort to parents of children attending Usk College where the first two absconders under Labour's new prison release scheme four years previously, found shivering and hungry in an outhouse in the college buildings, were BOTH |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 7, 2024 13:59:40 GMT
The scumbags that burgles your house will get psychiatric’ help’ while your wife and kids will be traumatised and told counselling has a 3 year waiting list . Welcome to the thin edge of the ‘ Labour turns the UK into a shithole ‘ wedge. Oh I didn't need 'psychiatric help' and neither did she. Or my daughter. I did have to tell the latter to take her foot off the thug's throat while she beat him with the thing he brought to force the car door though, as it was clear she was killing him. It was strange though There had been a spare of burglaries and attempted thefts of vehicles, After we confronted the scum we did, and were forced to react to the violent and unprovoked assault by two of the scum by crippling them, whilst the third more wisely chose to run away, there were no further incidents. I can only assume word of how much we 'beat the living shit out of these scum through fear of being murdered by them if we stopped before they stopped moving', as I told the reporter from the local paper, must have come to the attention of any other wannabe thugs as this incident marked the end of such antics here, although it continues on a regular basis up the road in the sink estate |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 14:03:30 GMT
The scumbags that burgles your house will get psychiatric’ help’ while your wife and kids will be traumatised and told counselling has a 3 year waiting list . Welcome to the thin edge of the ‘ Labour turns the UK into a shithole ‘ wedge. Oh I didn't need 'psychiatric help' and neither did she. Or my daughter. I did have to tell the latter to take her foot off the thug's throat while she beat him with the thing he brought to force the car door though, as it was clear she was killing him. It was strange though There had been a spare of burglaries and attempted thefts of vehicles, After we confronted the scum we did, and were forced to react to the violent and unprovoked assault by two of the scum by crippling them, whilst the third more wisely chose to run away, there were no further incidents. I can only assume word of how much we 'beat the living shit out of these scum through fear of being murdered by them if we stopped before they stopped moving', as I told the reporter from the local paper, must have come to the attention of any other wannabe thugs as this incident marked the end of such antics here, although it continues on a regular basis up the road in the sink estate My point wasn’t about you. Some people are traumatised after their house has been burgled. My point was that the offender will get the treatment and the victim will have to wait . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 7, 2024 14:17:11 GMT
Oh I didn't need 'psychiatric help' and neither did she. Or my daughter. I did have to tell the latter to take her foot off the thug's throat while she beat him with the thing he brought to force the car door though, as it was clear she was killing him. It was strange though There had been a spare of burglaries and attempted thefts of vehicles, After we confronted the scum we did, and were forced to react to the violent and unprovoked assault by two of the scum by crippling them, whilst the third more wisely chose to run away, there were no further incidents. I can only assume word of how much we 'beat the living shit out of these scum through fear of being murdered by them if we stopped before they stopped moving', as I told the reporter from the local paper, must have come to the attention of any other wannabe thugs as this incident marked the end of such antics here, although it continues on a regular basis up the road in the sink estate My point wasn’t about you. Some people are traumatised after their house has been burgled. My point was that the offender will get the treatment and the victim will have to wait . Oh I understood that only too well My wife's parents never got over having their home invaded and their property stolen. My wife was only a teenager when it happened and was indeed distraught at it, So much so that when my fellow tenant and I came home at the same time to our HMO in days before HMO's were called such, shortly after my marriage, and a thieving piece of shit my fellow tenant and I found trying to break into a third flat turned and attacked us both, badly lacerating my arm and causing blood to go EVERYWHERE, the largest part of subsequent facial and upper body injury sustained by the thug were done not by me, but by my wife and and a rolling pin. She said afterwards it made her feel MUCH better about her problem of seven years earlier. I can honestly say I felt absolutely no mental anguish whatsoever at being forced to subdued such scum until the police arrived. I guess these days we would cause a definite reduction in Reoffending. Given the police don't bother turning out for burglary we'd have no choice these days other than to render the thug senseless then throw him in the river to let nature finish him off |
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