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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 14:44:54 GMT
Do you do anything other than lie and troll, Thomas? I am posting the facts, where you think trolling to appeal to your fellow morons is politics. the fact is devolution was a diktat to the then British government under John major from the council of Europe , which landed like a hot potato on Tony Blairs lap when he was voted in in 1997. I dont like the man. I can't stand his party. I dont agree with how he went about devolution. Lets not indulge ourselves in fantasy and act fucking ridiculous though rebirth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 14:52:05 GMT
I don't give a fk what you agree with or not.
Tony Blair is Scottish born, which makes him Scottish according to your own criteria.
Scotland's devolution happened under Tony Blair - the process happened during Blair's first term.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 9, 2024 14:54:33 GMT
you are lying. The copy and paste of my post is there in black and white on the third post of page 6. you can't miss it. Your reply was amended later. I dont need to read how you struggle with basic forum software. I advise keep practicing , and you will get better. I am. For example I dont support the yookay parliament , but it is of great concern to me while scotland is part of the uk , and of course for the wider principle of democracy , that parties dont get 64% of the seats on such a low vote share. you attacked my position of labour having no mandate to govern , while trying imply all parliaments are equally bad , which they are not , and you couldnt prove they are. As we saw above. are you on drugs? What on earth , in your messy English , are you gibbering about? I have a Scottish birth certificate , and was born in govan southern general , now renamed , but still called that by the locals .do you regularly invent straw men to attack and lie about , or is it just an affliction you have when dealing with me? my advice? shut the fuck up then , and stop accusing people of lying when you can't disprove it. Only a fool , and we know repeatedly on this and the old forum of how foolish you are , claims someone is lying with being able to back it up. Scots is the general language of the Scottish population. For the 4th time, I did not copy and paste your post. Despite me explaining how I replicate posts on here you choose to ignore that and persist in your false claim. Sad man! So you are only interested in principles, logic and definition of terms when it suits you and happily choose to disregard them when they get in the way. i didn’t attack your position on Labour having no mandate to govern nor express any opinion one way or the other on your view. Rather, as I have explained already but which is obviously too challenging for you to process and understand, I have simply held up your comments, put them into perspective, and reflected them back at you to see if you are a man of principle and integrity or an unprincipled hypocrite. In what way is “So you are not Scots born despite telling us several times on here that you have a non-existent Scottish birth certificate” messy English? As I have explained to you before, despite your banal posturing on the matter, there is no such thing as a Scottish birth certificate so you do not have a Scottish birth certificate. Rather, in common with all of us born and registered across the country, you have a UK birth certificate. And if you were born in Govan as you claim, then you are a natural born Scot, not a foreign Scot, despite your banal posturing on this matter above. i did not accuse you of lying, I simply said that I seriously doubt your claim that your language is Scots. The fact that you can’t grasp the distinction here between what I actually said and what you claim that I said is just another example of how challenging it is for you to process and understand what you read. English is the language of the overwhelming majority of the Scottish people, despite your banal posturing on this matter.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 14:54:39 GMT
And England wasn't given devolution. The biggest region of the UK, with the most taxpayers, is the least represented at the ballot box. Why? Because pandering to racists was more important than creating a fair and equal society in the eyes of Blair.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 15:01:47 GMT
you are lying. The copy and paste of my post is there in black and white on the third post of page 6. you can't miss it. Your reply was amended later. I dont need to read how you struggle with basic forum software. I advise keep practicing , and you will get better. I am. For example I dont support the yookay parliament , but it is of great concern to me while scotland is part of the uk , and of course for the wider principle of democracy , that parties dont get 64% of the seats on such a low vote share. you attacked my position of labour having no mandate to govern , while trying imply all parliaments are equally bad , which they are not , and you couldnt prove they are. As we saw above. are you on drugs? What on earth , in your messy English , are you gibbering about? I have a Scottish birth certificate , and was born in govan southern general , now renamed , but still called that by the locals .do you regularly invent straw men to attack and lie about , or is it just an affliction you have when dealing with me? my advice? shut the fuck up then , and stop accusing people of lying when you can't disprove it. Only a fool , and we know repeatedly on this and the old forum of how foolish you are , claims someone is lying with being able to back it up. Scots is the general language of the Scottish population. For the 4th time, I did not copy and paste your post. Despite me explaining how I replicate posts on here you choose to ignore that and persist in your false claim. Sad man! So you are only interested in principles, logic and definition of terms when it suits you and chose to disregard them when they get in the way. i didn’t attack your position on Labour having no mandate to govern nor express any opinion one way or the other on your view. Rather, as I have explained already but which is obviously too challenging for you to process and understand, I have simply held up your comments, put them into perspective, and reflected them back at you to see if you are a man of principle and integrity or an unprincipled hypocrite. In what way is “So you are not Scots born despite telling us several times on here that you have a non-existent Scottish birth certificate” messy English. As I have explained to you before, despite your banal posturing on the matter, there is no such thing as a Scottish birth certificate so you do not have a Scottish birth certificate. Rather, in common with all of us born and registered across the country, you have a UK birth certificate. And if you were born in Govan as you claim, then you are a natural born Scot, not a foreign Scot, despite your banal posturing on this matter above. i did not accuse you of lying, I simply said that I seriously doubt your claim that your language is Scots. The fact that you can’t grasp the distinction here between what I actually said and what you claim that I did is just another example of how challenging it is for you to read, process and understand. English is the language of the overwhelming majority of the Scottish people, despite your banal posturing on this matter. warble warble. It's there , in black and white. talk about in denial. More like in delusion. please see my earlier reply. If you have something to add , I will address it otherwise I will ignore . prove I am not Scottish born. Prove I dont have a Scottish birth certificate. prove it. its called sarcasm happy ,something clearly that flys repeatedly above your weary head. if you doubt the validity of someones post , you are essentially saying you dont believe them. Prove I dont speak scot , or hold you tongue and stop talking nonsense.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 15:04:09 GMT
And England wasn't given devolution. The biggest region of the UK, with the most taxpayers, is the least represented at the ballot box. Why? Because pandering to racists was more important than creating a fair and equal society in the eyes of Blair. why tell me? did I demand England not have devolution? I support Englands devolution , and further Englands independence. unlike you. who demands a Putin style culling of us Scots and our democracy. Tony was simply enacting what the council of Europe said he had to do.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 9, 2024 15:11:06 GMT
For the 4th time, I did not copy and paste your post. Despite me explaining how I replicate posts on here you choose to ignore that and persist in your false claim. Sad man! So you are only interested in principles, logic and definition of terms when it suits you and chose to disregard them when they get in the way. i didn’t attack your position on Labour having no mandate to govern nor express any opinion one way or the other on your view. Rather, as I have explained already but which is obviously too challenging for you to process and understand, I have simply held up your comments, put them into perspective, and reflected them back at you to see if you are a man of principle and integrity or an unprincipled hypocrite. In what way is “So you are not Scots born despite telling us several times on here that you have a non-existent Scottish birth certificate” messy English. As I have explained to you before, despite your banal posturing on the matter, there is no such thing as a Scottish birth certificate so you do not have a Scottish birth certificate. Rather, in common with all of us born and registered across the country, you have a UK birth certificate. And if you were born in Govan as you claim, then you are a natural born Scot, not a foreign Scot, despite your banal posturing on this matter above. i did not accuse you of lying, I simply said that I seriously doubt your claim that your language is Scots. The fact that you can’t grasp the distinction here between what I actually said and what you claim that I did is just another example of how challenging it is for you to read, process and understand. English is the language of the overwhelming majority of the Scottish people, despite your banal posturing on this matter. warble warble. It's there , in black and white. talk about in denial. More like in delusion. please see my earlier reply. If you have something to add , I will address it otherwise I will ignore . prove I am not Scottish born. Prove I dont have a Scottish birth certificate. prove it. its called sarcasm happy ,something clearly that flys repeatedly above your weary head. if you doubt the validity of someones post , you are essentially saying you dont believe them. Prove I dont speak scot , or hold you tongue and stop talking nonsense. As we have seen in the past, you only fall back on your banal “prove it” last line of defence when you have been laid out bare and have no credible alternative response to come back with. That’s my job done here, I reckon. Time for you to take another little sojourn from this place, Thomas.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 15:21:41 GMT
warble warble. It's there , in black and white. talk about in denial. More like in delusion. As we have seen in the past, you only fall back on your banal “prove it” last line of defence when you have been laid out bare and have no credible alternative response to come back with. That’s my job done here, I reckon. Time for you to take another little sojourn from this place, Thomas. oh dear. You desperately want me to leave after posting for a mere two days on here already happy , simply because ive asked yo to back up your incessant tripe? why am I not surprised.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 15:30:46 GMT
Same with the growth of Snattism.
Blair was behind the Scottish independence movement you say rebirth? paranoid just a bit? I mean , I hate Blair couldnt stand the man but come on. Hang on This threadlet started when I pointed out Blair designed devolution to destroy the identity and cohesion of the united kingdom so as to serve it up wholesale to his EU pals. Then someone claimed this was the SNP aim too. That's bullshit The SNP at least under Alex Salmand didn't give a fuck what England Wales and Northern Ireland did. They wanted out of the Union with the UK and into a Euro based, Schengen area relationship with Brussels because in 2014 they were an almost certain net RECIPIENT of EU largesse. Now they'd be a net contributor of course
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 15:37:44 GMT
Blair was behind the Scottish independence movement you say rebirth? paranoid just a bit? I mean , I hate Blair couldnt stand the man but come on. Hang on This threadlet started when I pointed out Blair designed devolution to destroy the identity and cohesion of the united kingdom so as to serve it up wholesale to his EU pals. Then someone claimed this was the SNP aim too. That's bullshit The SNP at least under Alex Salmand didn't give a fuck what England Wales and Northern Ireland did. They wanted out of the Union with the UK and into a Euro based, Schengen area relationship with Brussels because in 2014 they were an almost certain net RECIPIENT of EU largesse. Now they'd be a net contributor of course eh? you put many sagas into a small paragraph John. We've done the EU bit many a time. Even arch unionist happy jack wants scotland , as part of your Britain , in the EU . the point was , im all for slagging off Tony Blair , but rebirth just takes it too far. Tony Blair was and is a cunt , but the idea , the serious idea , he was scotland answer to Daniel defoe is a stretch even for me . As you know , im a long time hater of labour. Let's keep it real and within reason John. Going into the realms of fantasy is where you regularly part company with the reasonable majority. The snp originally did not support devolution , and devolution originally meant home rule , within the empire. Not the bollocks Blair dished up to appease the council of Europe. A sort of scotland under the crown , but with an entirely independent government with full powers...
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 15:56:28 GMT
I don't give a fk what you agree with or not. Tony Blair is Scottish born, which makes him Scottish according to your own criteria. Scotland's devolution happened under Tony Blair - the process happened during Blair's first term. Tony Blair has , presumably a Scottish birth certificate like me , but he sees himself as British by nationality. Thats his business though. We didnt fucking elect him though did we? He represented an English constituency you silly fucker , in northern England ,and the idea he set out to destroy England , or Britain for that matter is just yet more of your lunatic fucking conspiracy theories that belong in a mr bean movie. An English constituency voted him into parliament , the English Labour Party , with the vast majority members and politicians English coronated him as leader , then he became prime minister. In your parliament which has majority English representation , and then set about devolving the uk nations except yours to appease the council of Europe. So there were many factors involved , for many reasons , and the idea it was all some plot by the nasty Scottish is yet more of the unmitigated urine you regularly contaminate this forum with on a daily basis.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 18:05:49 GMT
Hang on This threadlet started when I pointed out Blair designed devolution to destroy the identity and cohesion of the united kingdom so as to serve it up wholesale to his EU pals. Then someone claimed this was the SNP aim too. That's bullshit The SNP at least under Alex Salmand didn't give a fuck what England Wales and Northern Ireland did. They wanted out of the Union with the UK and into a Euro based, Schengen area relationship with Brussels because in 2014 they were an almost certain net RECIPIENT of EU largesse. Now they'd be a net contributor of course eh? you put many sagas into a small paragraph John. We've done the EU bit many a time. Even arch unionist happy jack wants scotland , as part of your Britain , in the EU . the point was , im all for slagging off Tony Blair , but rebirth just takes it too far. Tony Blair was and is a cunt , but the idea , the serious idea , he was scotland answer to Daniel defoe is a stretch even for me . As you know , im a long time hater of labour. Let's keep it real and within reason John. Going into the realms of fantasy is where you regularly part company with the reasonable majority. The snp originally did not support devolution , and devolution originally meant home rule , within the empire. Not the bollocks Blair dished up to appease the council of Europe. A sort of scotland under the crown , but with an entirely independent government with full powers... Hang on. We both know what blair wanted was to destroy the united kingdom’s identity in any and every way possible. That’s all there is to it.
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Post by thomas on Jul 10, 2024 7:16:52 GMT
eh? you put many sagas into a small paragraph John. We've done the EU bit many a time. Even arch unionist happy jack wants scotland , as part of your Britain , in the EU . the point was , im all for slagging off Tony Blair , but rebirth just takes it too far. Tony Blair was and is a cunt , but the idea , the serious idea , he was scotland answer to Daniel defoe is a stretch even for me . As you know , im a long time hater of labour. Let's keep it real and within reason John. Going into the realms of fantasy is where you regularly part company with the reasonable majority. The snp originally did not support devolution , and devolution originally meant home rule , within the empire. Not the bollocks Blair dished up to appease the council of Europe. A sort of scotland under the crown , but with an entirely independent government with full powers... Hang on. We both know what blair wanted was to destroy the united kingdom’s identity in any and every way possible. That’s all there is to it. im not gonna argue John further. Youve been banging that same drum about the Blair bogeyman for all the years ive known you , and it's no more true than Monmouthshire being English. you are completely ignoring vast swathes of events , history , politics , which led to Blair grudgingly being forced to deal with the old home rule issue .We have discussed it in depth many a time before , including the quote from Alistair Campbells memoirs about Blair saying the council of Europe forcing devolution on the uk was a damned nuisance. The United Kingdom doesn't have an identity. It's a multi national state , with four separate native languages , four separate peoples , four separate countries , with four separate histories and cultures. The only thing that links the four , apart from incessant warfare , is an empire long gone.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2024 9:08:44 GMT
eh? you put many sagas into a small paragraph John. We've done the EU bit many a time. Even arch unionist happy jack wants scotland , as part of your Britain , in the EU . the point was , im all for slagging off Tony Blair , but rebirth just takes it too far. Tony Blair was and is a cunt , but the idea , the serious idea , he was scotland answer to Daniel defoe is a stretch even for me . As you know , im a long time hater of labour. Let's keep it real and within reason John. Going into the realms of fantasy is where you regularly part company with the reasonable majority. The snp originally did not support devolution , and devolution originally meant home rule , within the empire. Not the bollocks Blair dished up to appease the council of Europe. A sort of scotland under the crown , but with an entirely independent government with full powers... Hang on. We both know what blair wanted was to destroy the united kingdom’s identity in any and every way possible. That’s all there is to it. Exactly. Devolution was never about making the UK more democratic it was about sowing division and breaking up the country for the EU. Devolution of powers from central government to improve local democracy, would have been the greater empowerment of local councils with increased powers on tax and spending and on the creation / repeal of bylaws. There was no need to turn the Kingdoms against each other.
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