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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:34:03 GMT
you will be able to sing " the gers my father wrote " on the march on Friday happy. The concerned citizen who is merely worried about the end of the onion. The only person you are fooling mate is yourself. We can ignore the rest of your inept first paragraph , where as usual you are reduced to repeating yourself and screaming incoherently . sheesh. ...and you call others a dimwit? in the last Holyrood election , under the British system foisted on us by your new labour unionists , the snp took just under 48% of the constituency vote , just over 40 % of the regional , and got around 49% of the seats. While far from perfect , it's a damn sight more proportional than labours disastrous results , where they got a third of the vote and two thirds of the seats under a dodgy out of date electoral system. Starmer has no mandate to govern. Labour were expecting to hit the benchmark of 40% share of the vote for a normal majority , and failed miserably. so much so , privately the labour hierarchy are furious with starmers lacklustre campaign , and failure to encourage 8/10 voters to vote labour. Publicly they are being bullish about the dodgy fptp system giving them a disproportionate anti democratic amount of seats they dont deserve as starmer has no mandate. There has been no swing from the indy camp to labour of any magnitude in scotland. Labour , propped up by the nationalist vote sitting at home , the greens helping them win five seats , and propped up by disaffected unionists leaving the tories in droves to vote for them still only managed a miserable 35 % share . calm down hen and dont ruffle your sash. If 56/59 snp politicians in Scottish seats wasn't a mandate for indy as we were told , why is 37 labour seats a mandate for the union , and a combined unionist vote of a mere 38 %? answers on a postcard for grand master jack , counting on his orange abacus in lark hall la la land. I will start with your final question first. If Labour has a mandate then that comes from them winning a majority of the 650 seats at Westminster. I think Starmer over-stretched things if he said that he had a mandate specifically from Scotland as mandates come from the voting public as a whole, not from a relatively small cohort of them from a specific region of the country. For that reason it follows that any number of Scottish seats won by any party at a general election is not a mandate for anything. As for everything else that you say above, rather than waste time working my way through it to give you answers and explanations that you are programmed to automatically reject because they are at odds with the Indy proposition and which you would probably struggle to grasp anyway given that you have already demonstrated that you have difficulty with your reading, processing and understanding skills, I will just cut to the chase and give the only conclusion that anyone could reasonably arrive at from reading what you say - which is that you demonstrate zero regard for consistency or for adherence to principles but instead will seemingly change your position freely and readily as and when it suits you to. As for your sectarian tendencies I am not going to get dragged into that because it is of no interest to me and because I hold in contempt those who engage in such behaviour. yawn. as above. labour doesn't have a mandate. We are going to see this political truth in action over the coming weeks and months. A third of the vote , a disproportionate amount of seats on flimsy majorities , Farage on the right and co , Corbyn and some greens/independents on the left , calling the weak unprincipled starmer out at every turn is going to make fascinating watching for political geeks. He is under severe pressure on every way he tries to turn , with no majority support and no mandate from the peoples of the uk nations. What is it , the lowest support of. any government incoming since the 19th century prior to universal suffrage? didnt I say as much earlier when I pointed out what little the snp have achieved holding the vast majority of Scottish Westminster seats over the last nine years? Hence why I said they should adopt (independence parties in general) the Sinn Fein principle of not taking their seats , which of course you ignored. You appear to be replying to my posts , without reading what im writing , and then throwing the same principle im advocating back at me as though you are making some new and relevant point , and you call others dimwits incapable of reading? ive spoken to orange order reform uk voters who hold less hardcore British nationalist views than you do. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 7:42:06 GMT
Oh dear...  That was quite a find. Hello, I might have to go get a twatter account if the stuff on there is this good. High five to whoever's studio that was though. Talk about coven of the has-beens. Was that not Mr Gideon 'meth head' Osborne sat next to the motorhome fraudster ? He looked like he'd just mainlined a batch of pink champagne (so named because the biker gang couldn't be arsed to push the pH all the way from 1 to 14 and back to 7 so some of the iodine remains a contaminant in the final product giving it a pinkish hue..... |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:42:55 GMT
We are barely a few days on from the yookay general election , the dust is still settling , and only desperate individuals like yourself happy are crowing about what is a disastrous result for the yookay and "the jocks back in our boxes back to normal politics." Everything moray has said to you is spot on. Your false correlation that scotland doesn't want independence because it voted to get the tories out and didnt vote snp is laughable. We have just had arguably the worst uk government in its 300 year history , in a system designed to be a two horse race , and your labour heroes for the Ayrshire orange ludge have managed a mere 35 % of the vote in the second lowest turnout in the last century in scotland , a mere 21% of the Scottish electorate , while uk wide starmer managed to get a third of the vote but the North Korea style uk system rewarded that minority vote with 64% of the seats. Thats the big talk of this election. The state of the uk electoral system. how parties like reform got diddled by the less popular liberals. The state of the snp hierarchy , and the mess sturgeon has left the party in has largely been a talking point for me since 2017. It doesn't diminish the fact that half of scotland population want independence, starmer has no real mandate to govern anywhere in the uk , and of course we mustn't forget Michelle o Neil and sinn feins historic Westminster victory in Northern Ireland. So to summarise , the slow motion car crash of the end of the empire continues . Its going to be fun watching that scumbag starmer trying to govern on no mandate , with a large part of his bench warming careerists with fragile majorities , and all the big elephants from Scottish indy , Irish unity , Brexit , immigration , cost of living , farage watching his every slimy move on Brexit etc etc sitting waiting for him in labours living room with big smiles on their faces. Must be hell of a worrying time for you British . Time to buckle in and batten down the hatches. Starmer and his new new labour are going to set the uk on fire. Ok i'm going to focus on just one point in the above You say 50% of you want independence Let's agree to agree to that for the moment. (I can't be arsed to go see if it's right, but that's a distraction) So OK then. HALF of you want out. First question: is that more, or less than wanted out last month, last year, the year before, and the year before that. In other words what's the trend ? Is it 'upwards' meaning in the recent past those of your view were a minority ? Or is it downwards meaning there were more of you last month / last year Second Question : if there were truly a majority of you that wanted out while you had such a massive majority of SNP Politicians in the Scottish Hot Air and tax making pit and while you had so many Westminster seats, why didn't your oh so admired SNP leadership simply 'do an Ian Smith', put two fingers up to Westminster and declare UDI. After all, the EU would have welcomed another Schengen Stare and Euro user, and the resulting destruction would have done us leavers a favour by throwing us out of the EU. Then the Remoaners would have had someone to blame for the hardest of proper Brexits and we Leave Voters could have got on with the real work. Third question: if there truly are 50 who want out first every 100 on the street, then you SURELY must be about as cheerful about the SNP's Trainwreck of an election, and the FPTP system that delivered it, as my son in law's parents are at the fustercluck that fucking Indian brought down on the Tory party in their home town of Bristol, never mind the country 1. ![]()  I think you are making a false correlation here John. The majority of us want out , the snp dont have the balls to force the issue , hence why so many independence supporters sat at home , refused to vote in the gravy train brigade once more to pointlessly sit in an English parliament where English mps can outvote us 10 to 1. we dont need to declare UDI , merely end the treaty that binds us. As for Schengen and the euro , I would be. careful what you wish for now starmer is in power and lamb calling for a reset with the EU. It seems to bother you much more than me. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:44:32 GMT
Oh dear... That was quite a find. Hello, I might have to go get a twatter account if the stuff on there is this good. High five to whoever's studio that was though. Talk about coven of the has-beens. Was that not Mr Gideon 'meth head' Osborne sat next to the motorhome fraudster ? He looked like he'd just mainlined a batch of pink champagne (so named because the biker gang couldn't be arsed to push the pH all the way from 1 to 14 and back to 7 so some of the iodine remains a contaminant in the final product giving it a pinkish hue..... sturgeon and her friend lloyd are seen as the biggest betrayers of the indy movement , with their identity politics , poor governance , lack of forwarding indy despite massive mandates and open Westminster goals. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:49:35 GMT
is this a record amount of dislike for an incoming uk PM?  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 7:49:53 GMT
Ok i'm going to focus on just one point in the above You say 50% of you want independence Let's agree to agree to that for the moment. (I can't be arsed to go see if it's right, but that's a distraction) So OK then. HALF of you want out. First question: is that more, or less than wanted out last month, last year, the year before, and the year before that. In other words what's the trend ? Is it 'upwards' meaning in the recent past those of your view were a minority ? Or is it downwards meaning there were more of you last month / last year Second Question : if there were truly a majority of you that wanted out while you had such a massive majority of SNP Politicians in the Scottish Hot Air and tax making pit and while you had so many Westminster seats, why didn't your oh so admired SNP leadership simply 'do an Ian Smith', put two fingers up to Westminster and declare UDI. After all, the EU would have welcomed another Schengen Stare and Euro user, and the resulting destruction would have done us leavers a favour by throwing us out of the EU. Then the Remoaners would have had someone to blame for the hardest of proper Brexits and we Leave Voters could have got on with the real work. Third question: if there truly are 50 who want out first every 100 on the street, then you SURELY must be about as cheerful about the SNP's Trainwreck of an election, and the FPTP system that delivered it, as my son in law's parents are at the fustercluck that fucking Indian brought down on the Tory party in their home town of Bristol, never mind the country 1. ![]() I think you are making a false correlation here John. The majority of us want out , the snp dont have the balls to force the issue , hence why so many independence supporters sat at home , refused to vote in the gravy train brigade once more to pointlessly sit in an English parliament where English mps can outvote us 10 to 1. we dont need to declare UDI , merely end the treaty that binds us. As for Schengen and the euro , I would be. careful what you wish for now starmer is in power and lamb calling for a reset with the EU. It seems to bother you much more than me. Well I don't fully understand the situation in Scotland. Hence my questions. So you reckon that it's a mirror of England where about a third of the electorate who felt mobilised and energised to vote one way or the other in 2016 couldn't stomach voting against the Indian asshole and sat on their sofas to hand Starmer the job in a wheelbarrow ? You still can't be ecstatic at the FPTP system though can you ? Although I admit it did pretty well for you until last week .... |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:56:32 GMT
I think you are making a false correlation here John. The majority of us want out , the snp dont have the balls to force the issue , hence why so many independence supporters sat at home , refused to vote in the gravy train brigade once more to pointlessly sit in an English parliament where English mps can outvote us 10 to 1. we dont need to declare UDI , merely end the treaty that binds us. As for Schengen and the euro , I would be. careful what you wish for now starmer is in power and lamb calling for a reset with the EU. It seems to bother you much more than me. You still can't be ecstatic at the FPTP system though can you ? Although I admit it did pretty well for you until last week .... eh? John ive known you on various forums for about ten years if not more , and are you telling me you believe I am some sort of champion supporting FPTP? Didnt you read many of the discussions between myself and people like Steve SRB denigrating the disgraceful FPTP over the years? You forget in your hatred of the snp , that the snp first won under the proportional system at Holyrood before they won an acknowledged disporpotionate amount of seats under the disgraceful dodgy two party fptp system. It's not the snp , reform uk , or others who want to keep fptp. It's labour and tory , who benefit from it enormously as we know. It's going to be fun watching the fireworks begin once starmer tries to announce policy with no mandate from the people. Reeves announcement on English planning , while telling us Scots we have to do the same , and using scot oil and gas for a labour wealth fund have went down like a lead balloon. I would be extremely uneasy about a labour government if I worked in the North Sea oil and gas sector. They are predicting labours plans could cost 100 000 jobs. all off the back of no mandate and a third of the vote , 2/10 of the overall electorate. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 8:42:02 GMT
Oh dear... Comedy gold |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 8:44:29 GMT
Oh dear... Comedy gold Vinny thinks us Scots should be treated as Russia treats Ukrainians. Oh the irony. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 8:48:52 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 9:03:07 GMT
in russia , someone somewhere is saying RIP Zelensky. Vinkovski is becoming the very thing he says he hates. |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 9, 2024 10:28:54 GMT
I started to reply to the incohesive guddle of your last 2 posts to me, Thomas, but quickly realised that it was pointless to do so because it wasn’t clear to me that you understand what a mandate, or rather, an electoral mandate in a representative democracy, means or is. Can you enlighten me by giving your definition please.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 10:29:29 GMT
Equality for all Brits, abolish devolution and the Barnett Formula.
Replace the Barnett Formula with means testing.
Replace devolution with PR for our common government in London and more powers to local councils.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:33:20 GMT
I started to reply to the incohesive guddle of your last 2 posts to me, Thomas, but quickly realised that it was pointless to do so because it wasn’t clear to me that you understand what a mandate, or rather, an electoral mandate in a representative democracy, means or is. Can you enlighten me by giving your definition please. ive done so earlier in the thread. I keep repeating I can't help it if you constantly dont read my posts , then attempt to ridicule others for being a dimwit like you. I believe a mandate is when a party gets a proportional vote share to seats , a third of the vote , to a third of the seats within margin of error ( as explained when talking about the snp victory at Holyrood and comparable percentages earlier in case you missed it while screeching) im saying in general , a third of the vote isnt a mandate to falsely gain two thirds of seats and with it a disproportionate majority. I would have no qualms labour being the largest party in a minority government. I have great reservations on labour have two thirds of the seats on a third of the vote. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 10:35:28 GMT
Equality for all Brits, abolish devolution and the Barnett Formula. Replace the Barnett Formula with means testing. Replace devolution with PR for our common government in London and more powers to local councils. that's what putin is saying about equality for all the soviets. Abolish the devolved Ukrainian parliament , and reinstate the Soviet parliament in Moscow. What a hyprocrite you are , and how similar to Putin you think vinkovski. you would do well in the politburo. |
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