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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:46:14 GMT
No, I am just pointing out that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand” which suggests that “You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here”. thanks for the continued insults happy. I can see im getting right up your orange nostril. when you talk continuous garbage , you will get pulled up , and it can't be nice for you being dragged down to planet earth from the grand masters la la land. |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 8:05:07 GMT
I am neither a unionist nor anything but contemptuous of the Orange Order. However, as I have pointed out above, “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand” which suggests that “You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here” so I guess that you are going to continue to wallow in your bigoted Indy delusions and, as you are now displaying, your poisonous West of Scotland sectarian instincts.
If you believe that Labour has no mandate because it failed to win a majority of the popular vote then it follows that neither did or does any other government at either Westminster or Holyrood that failed to win a majority of the popular vote have a mandate either.That includes every SNP Holyrood government including the current version, both in its present form (which doesn’t even have a majority of parliamentary representation btw never mind a majority of the popular vote) and in its Bute House Agreement configuration, and, of course, it also includes every SNP contingent that has ever sat on the benches at Westminster, even if we just take the Scottish regional element of the popular vote into account.
BTW - I don’t remember you (or any of the other Indy bigots on here) saying that ScotGov doesn’t have a mandate to pursue independence as it claims to have because it didn’t win a majority of the popular vote - or that winning a majority of seats without securing a majority of the popular vote at last week’s GE would not have given the SNP a mandate to enter into Indy negotiations. That seems a tad unprincipled and inconsistent don’t you think?
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 8:08:26 GMT
No, I am just pointing out that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand” which suggests that “You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here”. thanks for the continued insults happy. I can see im getting right up your orange nostril. when you talk continuous garbage , you will get pulled up , and it can't be nice for you being dragged down to planet earth from the grand masters la la land. There is nothing insulting in me stating the truth and nothing to pull me up over if I am telling the truth, which is what I am doing. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 8, 2024 14:06:52 GMT
SNP decimated and the pipe dream with it Morayloon.
SNP vote roughly half that of 2015.
Alba even more unelectable.
Get over it fellow Brit.
Scotland said "nae laddie, ya dreem is deed".
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 14:36:51 GMT
The whole outcome north of the border seems OK to a disinterested observer, even the crap prediction that Labour was finished in Scotland, is being enjoyed.
First past the post allows voters to support individual candidates, and not have their votes assigned to hierarchical lists of people they probably don't know.
Viewing coalition governments in Europe shows they often lead to periods of inertia...
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 15:21:02 GMT
I am neither a unionist nor anything but contemptuous of the Orange Order. you will be able to sing " the gers my father wrote " on the march on Friday happy. The concerned citizen who is merely worried about the end of the onion. The only person you are fooling mate is yourself. We can ignore the rest of your inept first paragraph , where as usual you are reduced to repeating yourself and screaming incoherently . sheesh. ...and you call others a dimwit? in the last Holyrood election , under the British system foisted on us by your new labour unionists , the snp took just under 48% of the constituency vote , just over 40 % of the regional , and got around 49% of the seats. While far from perfect , it's a damn sight more proportional than labours disastrous results , where they got a third of the vote and two thirds of the seats under a dodgy out of date electoral system. Starmer has no mandate to govern. Labour were expecting to hit the benchmark of 40% share of the vote for a normal majority , and failed miserably. so much so , privately the labour hierarchy are furious with starmers lacklustre campaign , and failure to encourage 8/10 voters to vote labour. Publicly they are being bullish about the dodgy fptp system giving them a disproportionate anti democratic amount of seats they dont deserve as starmer has no mandate. There has been no swing from the indy camp to labour of any magnitude in scotland. Labour , propped up by the nationalist vote sitting at home , the greens helping them win five seats , and propped up by disaffected unionists leaving the tories in droves to vote for them still only managed a miserable 35 % share . calm down hen and dont ruffle your sash. If 56/59 snp politicians in Scottish seats wasn't a mandate for indy as we were told , why is 37 labour seats a mandate for the union , and a combined unionist vote of a mere 38 %? answers on a postcard for grand master jack , counting on his orange abacus in lark hall la la land. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 15:30:19 GMT
The whole outcome north of the border seems OK to a disinterested observer, even the crap prediction that Labour was finished in Scotland, is being enjoyed. First past the post allows voters to support individual candidates, and not have their votes assigned to hierarchical lists of people they probably don't know. Viewing coalition governments in Europe shows they often lead to periods of inertia... mr disinterested of Hackney has managed to pull himself away from the terrors of the racist met polis to tell us how overjoyed he is scotland will continue to prop up his beloved London . Wiser heads would have hoped the snp continued to win Scottish Westminster seats , trutting off down to sit in obscurity in your parliament achieving nothing. since 2015 , apart from cherry embarrassing Johnson ,with the help of English mps , and flyn doing the same with starmer over Gaza I can't think of anything the snp have done to merit continued support in your parliament can you? Apart from helping pension Pete feather his nest of course. Independence politicians should be taking a leaf out of sinn veins book. Stand for the English parliament , then de legitimise it by refusing to take seats. Im looking forward to watching starmer struggle on , with no political mandate , on a measly third of the vote , with Farage and co breathing down his right hand side , and Corbyn and co his left , with the lowest political support of any political party coming into government , on no mandate , with starmer personal approval ratings the worst I have seen in my lifetime for an incoming prime minister. I see Lammy the hothead is screaming for starmer to "reset " ties with the EU? How we fucking laughed. The closer you get to the EU , as we know from tedious hours of whining from your liberal centrists the more rules you take. Will the English accept it ? A man with no mandate taking the uk back into the EU behind the Brussels bike sheds? I give starmer a slight honeymoon period till the end of the euros this weekend before all eyes turn on him and what he is up to. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 15:34:55 GMT
thanks for the continued insults happy. I can see im getting right up your orange nostril. when you talk continuous garbage , you will get pulled up , and it can't be nice for you being dragged down to planet earth from the grand masters la la land. There is nothing insulting in me stating the truth and nothing to pull me up over if I am telling the truth, which is what I am doing. the truth isnt in you. You dont know the meaning of the word. ....but please , carry on trying to legitimise starmers disastrous election result against the worst snp party in twenty years , and the worst tory party in history. The starmer landslide.............half a million votes less than Corbyn got in 2019...............lmfao. |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 18:32:49 GMT
If you were looking to prove me right when I said that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here” then this is it. Where exactly have I tried to legitimise Starmer’s election result? If you were able to read, process and understand to an adequate level you would have realised that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on whether he had a mandate or not. All that I did was to reflect your argument back at you to demonstrate that if you don’t think that Labour has a mandate then the same applies to every SNP government at Holyrood and every SNP cohort ever to enter Westminster. That is because they, like Labour last week, achieved majority representation while winning only a minority of the public vote. This really comes down to whether you are principled, in which case you will feel either that they all won a mandate or they all failed to win a mandate, or whether you are an unprincipled hypocrite, where you shamelessly ignore principle and instead change you position and you argument depending upon how it best suits the outcome you want at a particular point in time. So which one are you - a man of principle or an unprincipled hypocrite? I am pretty sure that I know the answer already btw.
As for your weak “the truth isnt in you. You demonstrate that you don’t (sic) know the meaning of the word” response, that just highlights the twisted reality-denying world that you live in; one in which you simply cannot acknowledge anything as true or valid if it in any way damages the Indy argument to so do.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 18:58:55 GMT
I am neither a unionist nor anything but contemptuous of the Orange Order. you will be able to sing " the gers my father wrote " on the march on Friday happy. The concerned citizen who is merely worried about the end of the onion. The only person you are fooling mate is yourself. We can ignore the rest of your inept first paragraph , where as usual you are reduced to repeating yourself and screaming incoherently . sheesh. ...and you call others a dimwit? in the last Holyrood election , under the British system foisted on us by your new labour unionists , the snp took just under 48% of the constituency vote , just over 40 % of the regional , and got around 49% of the seats. While far from perfect , it's a damn sight more proportional than labours disastrous results , where they got a third of the vote and two thirds of the seats under a dodgy out of date electoral system. Starmer has no mandate to govern. Labour were expecting to hit the benchmark of 40% share of the vote for a normal majority , and failed miserably. so much so , privately the labour hierarchy are furious with starmers lacklustre campaign , and failure to encourage 8/10 voters to vote labour. Publicly they are being bullish about the dodgy fptp system giving them a disproportionate anti democratic amount of seats they dont deserve as starmer has no mandate. There has been no swing from the indy camp to labour of any magnitude in scotland. Labour , propped up by the nationalist vote sitting at home , the greens helping them win five seats , and propped up by disaffected unionists leaving the tories in droves to vote for them still only managed a miserable 35 % share . calm down hen and dont ruffle your sash. If 56/59 snp politicians in Scottish seats wasn't a mandate for indy as we were told , why is 37 labour seats a mandate for the union , and a combined unionist vote of a mere 38 %? answers on a postcard for grand master jack , counting on his orange abacus in lark hall la la land. I will start with your final question first. If Labour has a mandate then that comes from them winning a majority of the 650 seats at Westminster. I think Starmer over-stretched things if he said that he had a mandate specifically from Scotland as mandates come from the voting public as a whole, not from a relatively small cohort of them from a specific region of the country. For that reason it follows that any number of Scottish seats won by any party at a general election is not a mandate for anything. As for everything else that you say above, rather than waste time working my way through it to give you answers and explanations that you are programmed to automatically reject because they are at odds with the Indy proposition and which you would probably struggle to grasp anyway given that you have already demonstrated that you have difficulty with your reading, processing and understanding skills, I will just cut to the chase and give the only conclusion that anyone could reasonably arrive at from reading what you say - which is that you demonstrate zero regard for consistency or for adherence to principles but instead will seemingly change your position freely and readily as and when it suits you to. As for your sectarian tendencies I am not going to get dragged into that because it is of no interest to me and because I hold in contempt those who engage in such behaviour. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 8, 2024 23:41:42 GMT
The SNP said that a large win for them would make the case for a second referendum. They got decimated. The SNP are in disarray. Alba are unelectable. Unionist parties 1,534,995 SNAT parties 811,190. That's the only poll that matters dear. It's over Morayloon, your dream is dead. Not so. 50% of Scots still support Independence. Only when polls start showing that support is diminishing will I accept that the cause might be under pressure. As I said it is only the Independence supporting parties which have been hit, the concept of Independence is still alive. You said it was over in 2017. There was a substantial comeback in 2019. I am certain another comeback is on the cards. With optimism like that you should put yourself forward to stand for the Tories in Norfolk. From where I'm standing the SNP look a bit like David Steel's Liberals. He needed two taxis to hold a parliamentary party meeting in, one for Cyril Smith and one for the other four. I grant you the SNP would probably need something a little bigger, Two decent sized camper vans would do it, I think. Oh wait ..... |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 7:11:53 GMT
The alternative to the SNP was Alba. Unless you're suggesting that Labour is going to destroy the United Kingdom and hand us over one piece at a time to the EU Reich. In that case Labour could be considered a viable alternative to the SNP. well that WAS Blair's plan |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 7:23:24 GMT
If you were looking to prove me right when I said that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here” then this is it. Where exactly have I tried to legitimise Starmer’s election result? If you were able to read, process and understand to an adequate level you would have realised that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on whether he had a mandate or not. All that I did was to reflect your argument back at you to demonstrate that if you don’t think that Labour has a mandate then the same applies to every SNP government at Holyrood and every SNP cohort ever to enter Westminster. That is because they, like Labour last week, achieved majority representation while winning only a minority of the public vote. This really comes down to whether you are principled, in which case you will feel either that they all won a mandate or they all failed to win a mandate, or whether you are an unprincipled hypocrite, where you shamelessly ignore principle and instead change you position and you argument depending upon how it best suits the outcome you want at a particular point in time. So which one are you - a man of principle or an unprincipled hypocrite? I am pretty sure that I know the answer already btw. As for your weak “the truth isnt in you. You demonstrate that you don’t (sic) know the meaning of the word” response, that just highlights the twisted reality-denying world that you live in; one in which you simply cannot acknowledge anything as true or valid if it in any way damages the Indy argument to so do. lots of words saying very little as ever , the true new labour British nationalist way. lets pick out whats worth discussing for the puposes of debate from the drivel in the above post. here , for example , the second post at the top of this page where you wrote this... typical of someone who posts constant unmitigated nonsense , you easily forget what you have posted a few lines back. Here you try and legitimise labours anti democratic election result , by comparing the disastrous 33% vote share giving 64% seats , to previous Westminster governments and a proportional devolved parliament . Did you forget my earlier comment to you on the benchmark at Westminster being around 40 % of the vote , labour getting no where near that for a majority , or the fact 48% of the Holyrood constituency vote gave the snp a proportionate amount of seats unlike labour? Can you show me which parliament in Western Europe has such an uncivilised backward disproportionate system rewarding failure with so many seats? Labour have no mandate. you didnt. Your retort makes no sense as ive explained to the hard of understanding numerous times now. prove it? show me who /where has two thirds of the seats on a third of the vote.? over to you? calling out an unfair system that rewards labours failure with a disproportionate amount of seats in principle in action. Another word you dont quite understand. false dichotomy. the remainder of your post is unworthy of me replying to , as yet more drivel and sporadic insults. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 7:29:40 GMT
If intensity levels had not diminished then independence would still be the only issue that really matters to Indy supporters (pretty much to the exclusion of everything else), Indy would still be a hot topic of discussion in our pubs and coffee shops, Indy related events would not be seeing dropping attendances, and Indy supporters would have been out in force last Thursday to vote for an Indy supporting party rather than staying at home or voting Labour. Around 50% of us still might indicate a preference for Indy if asked by pollsters, but Indy fervour has definitely died down quite noticeably. We are barely a few days on from the yookay general election , the dust is still settling , and only desperate individuals like yourself happy are crowing about what is a disastrous result for the yookay and "the jocks back in our boxes back to normal politics." Everything moray has said to you is spot on. Your false correlation that scotland doesn't want independence because it voted to get the tories out and didnt vote snp is laughable. We have just had arguably the worst uk government in its 300 year history , in a system designed to be a two horse race , and your labour heroes for the Ayrshire orange ludge have managed a mere 35 % of the vote in the second lowest turnout in the last century in scotland , a mere 21% of the Scottish electorate , while uk wide starmer managed to get a third of the vote but the North Korea style uk system rewarded that minority vote with 64% of the seats. Thats the big talk of this election. The state of the uk electoral system. how parties like reform got diddled by the less popular liberals. The state of the snp hierarchy , and the mess sturgeon has left the party in has largely been a talking point for me since 2017. It doesn't diminish the fact that half of scotland population want independence, starmer has no real mandate to govern anywhere in the uk , and of course we mustn't forget Michelle o Neil and sinn feins historic Westminster victory in Northern Ireland. So to summarise , the slow motion car crash of the end of the empire continues . Its going to be fun watching that scumbag starmer trying to govern on no mandate , with a large part of his bench warming careerists with fragile majorities , and all the big elephants from Scottish indy , Irish unity , Brexit , immigration , cost of living , farage watching his every slimy move on Brexit etc etc sitting waiting for him in labours living room with big smiles on their faces. Must be hell of a worrying time for you British . Time to buckle in and batten down the hatches. Starmer and his new new labour are going to set the uk on fire. Ok i'm going to focus on just one point in the above You say 50% of you want independence Let's agree to agree to that for the moment. (I can't be arsed to go see if it's right, but that's a distraction) So OK then. HALF of you want out. First question: is that more, or less than wanted out last month, last year, the year before, and the year before that. In other words what's the trend ? Is it 'upwards' meaning in the recent past those of your view were a minority ? Or is it downwards meaning there were more of you last month / last year Second Question : if there were truly a majority of you that wanted out while you had such a massive majority of SNP Politicians in the Scottish Hot Air and tax making pit and while you had so many Westminster seats, why didn't your oh so admired SNP leadership simply 'do an Ian Smith', put two fingers up to Westminster and declare UDI. After all, the EU would have welcomed another Schengen Stare and Euro user, and the resulting destruction would have done us leavers a favour by throwing us out of the EU. Then the Remoaners would have had someone to blame for the hardest of proper Brexits and we Leave Voters could have got on with the real work. Third question: if there truly are 50 who want out first every 100 on the street, then you SURELY must be about as cheerful about the SNP's Trainwreck of an election, and the FPTP system that delivered it, as my son in law's parents are at the fustercluck that fucking Indian brought down on the Tory party in their home town of Bristol, never mind the country |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2024 7:30:01 GMT
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