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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 21:41:17 GMT
Really good to see the SNP getting hammered. Now the SNP has only six of the 59 Scottish seats in the Commons, it has to work hard to avoid a similar culling of its MSPs in the Scottish Parliament in 2026.
I remember being told that Labour was dead north of the border — is Thomas now doubting...?
PS — Scottish seats are 57 in 2024 (-2, -8 for Wales, and +10 for England)
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 21:47:57 GMT
The alternative to the SNP was Alba. Unless you're suggesting that Labour is going to destroy the United Kingdom and hand us over one piece at a time to the EU Reich. In that case Labour could be considered a viable alternative to the SNP. You have no idea. There is no way SNP supporters would vote Alba. There is too much that divides the. The SNP hierarchy is annoyed that the plan to get rid of AS failed. Therefore, Labour was the best alternative to voters in the central belt. Despite being a Unionist Party, more than 20% of Labour voters supported Independence. That was before the election, what the figure is, after Thursday, is anyone's guess. |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 0:03:19 GMT
Maybe so, but what seems pretty clear (to me at least) is that the intensity levels of support for independence amongst that 50% has diminished notably over the past couple of years. That is potentially more damaging to the Indy cause than a drop in the absolute numbers supporting independence would be. Don't think that is the case. If the 'intensity' level had diminished you would expect support to fall back, in line with support for the SNP. Rather, Independence sits around 50% while the SNP garnered only a 30% share of the vote at the election If intensity levels had not diminished then independence would still be the only issue that really matters to Indy supporters to the exclusion of everything else, Indy would still be a hot topic of discussion in our pubs and coffee shops, Indy related events would not be seeing dropping attendances, and Indy supporters would have been out in force last Thursday to vote for an Indy supporting party rather than staying at home or voting Labour. Around 50% of us still might indicate a preference for Indy if asked by pollsters, but Indy fervour has definitely died down quite noticeably. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 8, 2024 5:37:44 GMT
Not until all the SNP leadership are paroled on licence, and there is no knowing when that might be. You lot have been taken for mugs, perhaps when Labour take over the pretendy Parliament the various criminal investigations may be completed. Aye, and I think if there had been any truth, any evidence of wrongdoing, the PF would have had Murrell in court. I had half expected that to happen in the lead up to the election. That it didn't makes me wonder if it was all just a put up job and all you anti-Nats will be left with egg on your faces: just as you were when a jury found AS Not Guilty in all but one charge, which the jury found the case against him Not Proven. Bit rich that Moray considering Krankies words about Salmond,if that was a put up job it was done by the snp.. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 6:45:39 GMT
Don't think that is the case. If the 'intensity' level had diminished you would expect support to fall back, in line with support for the SNP. Rather, Independence sits around 50% while the SNP garnered only a 30% share of the vote at the election If intensity levels had not diminished then independence would still be the only issue that really matters to Indy supporters (pretty much to the exclusion of everything else), Indy would still be a hot topic of discussion in our pubs and coffee shops, Indy related events would not be seeing dropping attendances, and Indy supporters would have been out in force last Thursday to vote for an Indy supporting party rather than staying at home or voting Labour. Around 50% of us still might indicate a preference for Indy if asked by pollsters, but Indy fervour has definitely died down quite noticeably. We are barely a few days on from the yookay general election , the dust is still settling , and only desperate individuals like yourself happy are crowing about what is a disastrous result for the yookay and "the jocks back in our boxes back to normal politics." Everything moray has said to you is spot on. Your false correlation that scotland doesn't want independence because it voted to get the tories out and didnt vote snp is laughable. We have just had arguably the worst uk government in its 300 year history , in a system designed to be a two horse race , and your labour heroes for the Ayrshire orange ludge have managed a mere 35 % of the vote in the second lowest turnout in the last century in scotland , a mere 21% of the Scottish electorate , while uk wide starmer managed to get a third of the vote but the North Korea style uk system rewarded that minority vote with 64% of the seats. Thats the big talk of this election. The state of the uk electoral system. how parties like reform got diddled by the less popular liberals. The state of the snp hierarchy , and the mess sturgeon has left the party in has largely been a talking point for me since 2017. It doesn't diminish the fact that half of scotland population want independence, starmer has no real mandate to govern anywhere in the uk , and of course we mustn't forget Michelle o Neil and sinn feins historic Westminster victory in Northern Ireland. So to summarise , the slow motion car crash of the end of the empire continues . Its going to be fun watching that scumbag starmer trying to govern on no mandate , with a large part of his bench warming careerists with fragile majorities , and all the big elephants from Scottish indy , Irish unity , Brexit , immigration , cost of living , farage watching his every slimy move on Brexit etc etc sitting waiting for him in labours living room with big smiles on their faces. Must be hell of a worrying time for you British . Time to buckle in and batten down the hatches. Starmer and his new new labour are going to set the uk on fire. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 6:52:21 GMT
Aye, and I think if there had been any truth, any evidence of wrongdoing, the PF would have had Murrell in court. I had half expected that to happen in the lead up to the election. That it didn't makes me wonder if it was all just a put up job and all you anti-Nats will be left with egg on your faces: just as you were when a jury found AS Not Guilty in all but one charge, which the jury found the case against him Not Proven. Bit rich that Moray considering Krankies words about Salmond,if that was a put up job it was done by the snp.. im no fan of krankie as you well know , and I was applauding Joanna Cherrys take down of krankies disastrous leadership on various platforms where she was interviewed . However , we have bone heads like ommy constantly repeating brit nat propaganda , we need to call this out. If krankie isnt tried and found guilty of whatever ommy feverish imagination had her bang to rights on , then we can only assume once again the brits have been up to their dirty tricks and its another hatchet job . Regarding krankie and Salmond , you know my position. Innocent until proven guilty , and she tried and failed for whatever reason to take him down. That also though applies to her , however repulsive the woman is to you or me. Having bone heads like ommy constantly slur someone without evidence of a criminal conviction is wrong. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:04:00 GMT
oh and well done Leicester for hammering the odious Jonathan Ashworth , and of course we mustnt forget how the equally odious Wes Streeting came within a few votes of losing his seat to an independent. The flip side is watching arseholes like Blair macdougall and Pamela Nash waddle into their countries parliament to keep a bench warm. Your move starmer. For the first time , you now have to get up off yer arse and make decisions that doesn't involve sitting on your hands carping from the sidelines. He looks fairly well boxed in on all fronts. Im reading this morning as well if trump gets in , his go to contact in the yookay parliament will be farage rather than Lammy. Meanwhile Tony Blair , that much loved former pm , is carping from the sideline about ID cards , Wes Streeting wants more privatisation of the various NHS including ours in jockland , and the solution we are told to the yookays cashflow problems now Westminster can't rape and pillage across the globe anymore is PFI projects everywhere. oh how we laughed. Thats before we even have Lammy reset ties with the EU.............  |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 7:08:53 GMT
If intensity levels had not diminished then independence would still be the only issue that really matters to Indy supporters (pretty much to the exclusion of everything else), Indy would still be a hot topic of discussion in our pubs and coffee shops, Indy related events would not be seeing dropping attendances, and Indy supporters would have been out in force last Thursday to vote for an Indy supporting party rather than staying at home or voting Labour. Around 50% of us still might indicate a preference for Indy if asked by pollsters, but Indy fervour has definitely died down quite noticeably. We are barely a few days on from the yookay general election , the dust is still settling , and only desperate individuals like yourself happy are crowing about what is a disastrous result for the yookay and "the jocks back in our boxes back to normal politics." Everything moray has said to you is spot on. Your false correlation that scotland doesn't want independence because it voted to get the tories out and didnt vote snp is laughable. We have just had arguably the worst uk government in its 300 year history , in a system designed to be a two horse race , and your labour heroes for the Ayrshire orange ludge have managed a mere 35 % of the vote in the second lowest turnout in the last century in scotland , a mere 21% of the Scottish electorate , while uk wide starmer managed to get a third of the vote but the North Korea style uk system rewarded that minority vote with 64% of the seats. Thats the big talk of this election. The state of the uk electoral system. how parties like reform got diddled by the less popular liberals. The state of the snp hierarchy , and the mess sturgeon has left the party in has largely been a talking point for me since 2017. It doesn't diminish the fact that half of scotland population want independence, starmer has no real mandate to govern anywhere in the uk , and of course we mustn't forget Michelle o Neil and sinn feins historic Westminster victory in Northern Ireland. So to summarise , the slow motion car crash of the end of the empire continues . Its going to be fun watching that scumbag starmer trying to govern on no mandate , with a large part of his bench warming careerists with fragile majorities , and all the big elephants from Scottish indy , Irish unity , Brexit , immigration , cost of living , farage watching his every slimy move on Brexit etc etc sitting waiting for him in labours living room with big smiles on their faces. Must be hell of a worrying time for you British . Time to buckle in and batten down the hatches. Starmer and his new new labour are going to set the uk on fire. I see that your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:14:01 GMT
We are barely a few days on from the yookay general election , the dust is still settling , and only desperate individuals like yourself happy are crowing about what is a disastrous result for the yookay and "the jocks back in our boxes back to normal politics." Everything moray has said to you is spot on. Your false correlation that scotland doesn't want independence because it voted to get the tories out and didnt vote snp is laughable. We have just had arguably the worst uk government in its 300 year history , in a system designed to be a two horse race , and your labour heroes for the Ayrshire orange ludge have managed a mere 35 % of the vote in the second lowest turnout in the last century in scotland , a mere 21% of the Scottish electorate , while uk wide starmer managed to get a third of the vote but the North Korea style uk system rewarded that minority vote with 64% of the seats. Thats the big talk of this election. The state of the uk electoral system. how parties like reform got diddled by the less popular liberals. The state of the snp hierarchy , and the mess sturgeon has left the party in has largely been a talking point for me since 2017. It doesn't diminish the fact that half of scotland population want independence, starmer has no real mandate to govern anywhere in the uk , and of course we mustn't forget Michelle o Neil and sinn feins historic Westminster victory in Northern Ireland. So to summarise , the slow motion car crash of the end of the empire continues . Its going to be fun watching that scumbag starmer trying to govern on no mandate , with a large part of his bench warming careerists with fragile majorities , and all the big elephants from Scottish indy , Irish unity , Brexit , immigration , cost of living , farage watching his every slimy move on Brexit etc etc sitting waiting for him in labours living room with big smiles on their faces. Must be hell of a worrying time for you British . Time to buckle in and batten down the hatches. Starmer and his new new labour are going to set the uk on fire. I see that your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here. unionist parties got 38% of the Scottish electorates support..............happy jack , there's no urgent appetite for scot indy. lol. Second lowest support for union parties in scotland in history , and happy is sitting talking cac as normal. I did though enjoy starmer in Edinburgh trying to explain to us how he got half million votes less than labours worst ever result under Corbyn in 2019 and how this is a magnificent landslide. popcorn at the ready. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:18:39 GMT
polling expert sir John Curtice explains how starmer and new labour have no mandate to govern.... First past the post is failing our democracy
We should not be surprised that some are now arguing it is time for a rethink
The outcome of Thursday’s election has raised questions about how Britain’s first-past-the-post electoral system has turned the votes cast into seats won.
How can it be possible, it is being asked, that a party with barely more than a third of the vote (34 per cent) can end up with nearly two-thirds (63 per cent) of the seats?
And how can it be that a party which wins just 12 per cent of the vote ends up with 71 seats, whereas a party that won rather more support, 14 per cent, secures just five?
Neither pattern is, in truth, a new phenomenon.
In 2001, Tony Blair also won 63 per cent of the seats despite winning just 41 per cent of the vote. Indeed, for defenders of the current system, this tendency to give the party that secures most votes well over half the seats is precisely why they like it.
It means, they argue, that when voters are dissatisfied with the current government they can boot it out and ensure the election of an alternative – just as happened on Thursday. In the meantime, governments with a majority have the chance to govern effectively, in contrast, for example, to the Brexit impasse that befell Parliament between 2017 and 2019.
However, never before has a party with as little as 34 per cent been able to form a single party majority government. The nearest was Labour in 2005 when, despite winning only 35 per cent of the vote, the party ended up with 55 per cent of the seats.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 7:21:00 GMT
FPTP delivers highly undemocratic parliamentary outcomes and most certainly needs to be replaced. However, if you believe that Labour has no mandate then the same applies in principle to the outcome of nearly every other Westminster ( including the Scottish regional figures btw) and Holyrood election in my lifetime and in yours, so why single this one out just because you don’t like it?
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 7:22:10 GMT
I see that your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here. unionist parties got 38% of the Scottish electorates support..............happy jack , there's no urgent appetite for scot indy. lol. Second lowest support for union parties in scotland in history , and happy is sitting talking cac as normal. I did though enjoy starmer in Edinburgh trying to explain to us how he got half million votes less than labours worst ever result under Corbyn in 2019 and how this is a magnificent landslide. popcorn at the ready. I have just said that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here”. There was no need for you to add to the evidence with that latest little outburst. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:24:20 GMT
I have just said that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand. You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here”. There was no need for you to add to the evidence with that latest little outburst. 8/10 Scots , and English dont want a labour government. having to resort to insults and puerile attempts at put downs on anyone who disagrees with the utter garbage you post only reinforces the fact you can't handle the political disappointment and continued implosion of your beloved union. |
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Post by happyjack on Jul 8, 2024 7:38:30 GMT
No, I am just pointing out that “your little sojourn from this place has done nothing for your ability to read, process and understand” which suggests that “You are still as much of a dimwit as you were when you last posted on here”.
BTW - there is no union, just Acts of Union.
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Post by thomas on Jul 8, 2024 7:44:19 GMT
FPTP delivers highly undemocratic parliamentary outcomes and most certainly needs to be replaced. However, if you believe that Labour has no mandate then the same applies in principle to the outcome of nearly every other Westminster and Holyrood election in my lifetime and in yours , so why single this one out just because you don’t like it? It does. Ive been an advocate against fptp for more than twenty years , and point out repeatedly your British parliament is the most anti democratic in Western Europe. If you get a third of the votes , you should get a third of the seats. what a stupid fucking comment from you , the unnaceptable face of British orange unionism in scotland. Please explain how Holyrood produces governments with no mandates like Westminster? Can you show me where in the history of devolution we have had a government on a third of the vote......... .but with 64% of the seats? Over to you? |
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