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Post by piglet on Jun 29, 2024 9:40:59 GMT
By putting the British second, even third? its seen everywhere, housing, schools, NHS, that a supreessed rage IS coming to the surface, it will be seen at the election, if everthing is left, the Tories etc, then the volcano must burst forth, you cannot turn every party left and leave the majority up the swannee without a paddle.
Britain is Britain, the plan to change that has gone way to far. Multiculturalism is to divide, we should all muster under one flag...the Union flag. The left are a deeply disturbed outfit, like all the stuff that comes from the east, destroying all before it.
The British are by default, conservative. Hangon. Everyone is. Being left is a cult, a con, wanting you to believe subversive crap.
And Britian as it is today, is the result.
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Post by Cartertonian on Jun 29, 2024 11:35:25 GMT
Not so. As I have pointed out in another thread, in every election bar two, since the Second World War, progressive (or 'leftie', if you prefer) parties have won a bigger share of the vote than right wing parties. Unfortunately, our FPTP system is fatally skewed and has placed the levers of power in the hands of right wing parties more often than left wing parties, despite clear evidence that the majority are actually progressive. For the British to be, by default, conservative, there must be a fuck-ton of right wing loons who sit on their hands and don't vote.  |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 29, 2024 11:41:10 GMT
Not so. As I have pointed out in another thread, in every election bar two, since the Second World War, progressive (or 'leftie', if you prefer) parties have won a bigger share of the vote than right wing parties. Unfortunately, our FPTP system is fatally skewed and has placed the levers of power in the hands of right wing parties more often than left wing parties, despite clear evidence that the majority are actually progressive. For the British to be, by default, conservative, there must be a fuck-ton of right wing loons who sit on their hands and don't vote. So right wing = right wing loons ? Anyway, progressives in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s were a far different political animal than todays Lefties . So I’m not quite sure that you are correct . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 11:57:02 GMT
Not so. As I have pointed out in another thread, in every election bar two, since the Second World War, progressive (or 'leftie', if you prefer) parties have won a bigger share of the vote than right wing parties. Unfortunately, our FPTP system is fatally skewed and has placed the levers of power in the hands of right wing parties more often than left wing parties, despite clear evidence that the majority are actually progressive. For the British to be, by default, conservative, there must be a fuck-ton of right wing loons who sit on their hands and don't vote. Puncturing their delusions with actual facts is very poor form. Their argument here appears to amount to an assertion that the British people are being turned into racists by not being allowed to be unwelcoming enough to foreigners. The logic is sometimes laughable. Let's defeat racism by encouraging xenophobia. That of course is a logical absurdity, but when you have a Trumpian concept of truth, I suppose anything can be made to look sensible. In their own heads anyway. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 11:58:42 GMT
Not so. As I have pointed out in another thread, in every election bar two, since the Second World War, progressive (or 'leftie', if you prefer) parties have won a bigger share of the vote than right wing parties. Unfortunately, our FPTP system is fatally skewed and has placed the levers of power in the hands of right wing parties more often than left wing parties, despite clear evidence that the majority are actually progressive. For the British to be, by default, conservative, there must be a fuck-ton of right wing loons who sit on their hands and don't vote. This conversation was had on a recent thread. Unfortunately people on here believe that their view is the majority view. Hence why you get disbelief that people may vote Labour, they don't believe the polls cos they've asked their mates and they're all voting Reform... |
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Post by see2 on Jun 29, 2024 12:05:30 GMT
By putting the British second, even third? its seen everywhere, housing, schools, NHS, that a supreessed rage IS coming to the surface, it will be seen at the election, if everthing is left, the Tories etc, then the volcano must burst forth, you cannot turn every party left and leave the majority up the swannee without a paddle. Britain is Britain, the plan to change that has gone way to far. Multiculturalism is to divide, we should all muster under one flag...the Union flag. The left are a deeply disturbed outfit, like all the stuff that comes from the east, destroying all before it. The British are by default, conservative. Hangon. Everyone is. Being left is a cult, a con, wanting you to believe subversive crap.And Britian as it is today, is the result. Nonsense, your early sensory learning is controlling your thoughts. Being of the Left is is not a fixed position. I personally favour the Center Left position when it is open to concern about everything in the UK. Like a good functioning health system is good for the everyone, (including yourself), in the UK and good for the UK, yet the Right of center governments of the 1980s and the Tories over the last 14 years have both severally damaged the NHS. That's just one example. Unbridled Capitalism, which Right-wing Thatcher gave the country a taste of was a political evil that did so much financial and social damage. Had it been done by a Left wing government I imagine People like yourself would have been outraged. Your definition of "being Left" doesn't allow for the different political opinions that vary from Moderate to Far-Left nonsense. As the Right also varies varies from Moderate to Far Right nonsense. You know how you picked up your political feelings led political position, I suggest you allow yourself to have a more open mind on politics rather than being dominated by your learnt feelings. Britain as it is today is the product of people voting Conservative, not because there are people on the Left of Politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 12:06:49 GMT
By putting the British second, even third? its seen everywhere, housing, schools, NHS, that a supreessed rage IS coming to the surface, it will be seen at the election, if everthing is left, the Tories etc, then the volcano must burst forth, you cannot turn every party left and leave the majority up the swannee without a paddle. Britain is Britain, the plan to change that has gone way to far. Multiculturalism is to divide, we should all muster under one flag...the Union flag. The left are a deeply disturbed outfit, like all the stuff that comes from the east, destroying all before it. The British are by default, conservative. Hangon. Everyone is. Being left is a cult, a con, wanting you to believe subversive crap. And Britian as it is today, is the result. The solution is obvious. We need to invest billions in the development of time travel. When this is perfected, it will reduce our population numbers, especially unproductive pensioners, by allowing you all to go back to the 1950s. Problem solved, lol. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 12:09:58 GMT
By putting the British second, even third? its seen everywhere, housing, schools, NHS, that a supreessed rage IS coming to the surface, it will be seen at the election, if everthing is left, the Tories etc, then the volcano must burst forth, you cannot turn every party left and leave the majority up the swannee without a paddle. Britain is Britain, the plan to change that has gone way to far. Multiculturalism is to divide, we should all muster under one flag...the Union flag. The left are a deeply disturbed outfit, like all the stuff that comes from the east, destroying all before it. The British are by default, conservative. Hangon. Everyone is. Being left is a cult, a con, wanting you to believe subversive crap. And Britian as it is today, is the result. The solution is obvious. We need to invest billions in the development of time travel. When this is perfected, it will reduce our population numbers, especially unproductive pensioners, by allowing you all to go back to the 1950s. Problem solved, lol. One particular poster on here was harking back to the days of Empire... Well, the Empire struck back. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 29, 2024 12:10:13 GMT
As I pointed out. Progressive/ lefties were far different in the 60s, 60s , 70s and 80s than the present bunch.
Any party supporting the notion of White privilege, multiculturalism, huge influx of immigrants and blokes being able to be defined as women wouod have less vote than the Monster raving loony party up to the 90s , certainly the 80s .
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 29, 2024 12:13:45 GMT
I dont believe that the British people are "Conservative" by default, how do people who believe such a notion feel this fits in with Wales for example, or Scotland. ?
What I do believe is that most British people, the vast majority, believe in fairness.
Most British people interpret what they see or believe as "fair" in policies, proposals or doctrine from political parties.
A minority of British people either perceive or believe what some try to make them believe through propoganda and falsehoods, but this minority can sometimes be a substantial minority. The further you go to the extremes of the political spectrum .. to the far Right and far Left, the more detatched from reality it becomes, and THEIR versions of "fairness" verges on lunacy.
Only three political parties have ever governed this country - Centre Right, Centre Left and Liberal, the Communists tryed to get near power, as did the Fascists, both without success.
The current dizzy heights of Reform UK are a flash in the pan, same as the peak in BNP support at the time of the Great Recession of 2008-2010, and the rise in Communist support in the Great Depression, and the rise in popularity of the British Union of Fascists.
More than anything else, British people believe in fairness, and that applies to admiring a HIndu family who's grandson became British Prime Minister, even if you disagree with that Prime Minister.
It says something about this great country when third generation immigrants can "make it" here, if they work hard and aspire to do well.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 29, 2024 12:23:20 GMT
I dont believe that the British people are "Conservative" by default, how do people who believe such a notion feel this fits in with Wales for example, or Scotland. ? What I do believe is that most British people, the vast majority, believe in fairness. Most British people interpret what they see or believe as "fair" in policies, proposals or doctrine from political parties. A minority of British people either perceive or believe what some try to make them believe through propoganda and falsehoods, but this minority can sometimes be a substantial minority. The further you go to the extremes of the political spectrum .. to the far Right and far Left, the more detatched from reality it becomes, and THEIR versions of "fairness" verges on lunacy. Only three political parties have ever governed this country - Centre Right, Centre Left and Liberal, the Communists tryed to get near power, as did the Fascists, both without success. The current dizzy heights of Reform UK are a flash in the pan, same as the peak in BNP support at the time of the Great Recession of 2008-2010, and the rise in Communist support in the Great Depression, and the rise in popularity of the British Union of Fascists. More than anything else, British people believe in fairness, and that applies to admiring a HIndu family who's grandson became British Prime Minister, even if you disagree with that Prime Minister. It says something about this great country when third generation immigrants can "make it" here, if they work hard and aspire to do well. Fairness is subjective concept . One might ask if it’s fair for illegal migrants to be housed , fed and given an opportunity to live here. That to lefties , is a far right racist opinion. You need to do better than that. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 29, 2024 13:00:09 GMT
I dont believe that the British people are "Conservative" by default, how do people who believe such a notion feel this fits in with Wales for example, or Scotland. ? What I do believe is that most British people, the vast majority, believe in fairness. Most British people interpret what they see or believe as "fair" in policies, proposals or doctrine from political parties. A minority of British people either perceive or believe what some try to make them believe through propoganda and falsehoods, but this minority can sometimes be a substantial minority. The further you go to the extremes of the political spectrum .. to the far Right and far Left, the more detatched from reality it becomes, and THEIR versions of "fairness" verges on lunacy. Only three political parties have ever governed this country - Centre Right, Centre Left and Liberal, the Communists tryed to get near power, as did the Fascists, both without success. The current dizzy heights of Reform UK are a flash in the pan, same as the peak in BNP support at the time of the Great Recession of 2008-2010, and the rise in Communist support in the Great Depression, and the rise in popularity of the British Union of Fascists. More than anything else, British people believe in fairness, and that applies to admiring a HIndu family who's grandson became British Prime Minister, even if you disagree with that Prime Minister. It says something about this great country when third generation immigrants can "make it" here, if they work hard and aspire to do well. Fairness is subjective concept . One might ask if it’s fair for illegal migrants to be housed , fed and given an opportunity to live here. That to lefties , is a far right racist opinion. You need to do better than that. YES - absolutely 100% it is fair to put a roof over illegal migrants heads, and also to feed them, just as its also fair to feed prisoners and criminals, just the same as its fair to treat criminals with a level of humanity that defines us as been ... Civilised. What is the alternative to giving illegal immigrants a bed to sleep in and food to sustain them ? - shoot them, as some in Reform UK propose ? - or just set them free and let them take a chance of sink or swim. I mean, you put this question, but in reality what else can we do. ? |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 29, 2024 13:12:18 GMT
The solution is obvious. We need to invest billions in the development of time travel. When this is perfected, it will reduce our population numbers, especially unproductive pensioners, by allowing you all to go back to the 1950s. Problem solved, lol. One particular poster on here was harking back to the days of Empire... Well, the Empire struck back. In what way has the Empire struck back? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 29, 2024 13:14:15 GMT
One particular poster on here was harking back to the days of Empire... Well, the Empire struck back. In what way has the Empire struck back? They gained independence. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 29, 2024 13:18:30 GMT
I wouldn't say they are conservative by default, I would say they've been made that way by affirmative action.
It's simply cause and effect.
The left used to believe they were serving a just cause, now you only have to look at the type of posters (of three who are in this thread) who deliberately go out their way to stoke division.
Self awareness 101.
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