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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 29, 2024 13:22:49 GMT
Is the left, the woke, stoking Racism deliberately? Yes.
Divide and conquer is the lefty tactic de jour.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 29, 2024 13:39:01 GMT
In what way has the Empire struck back? They gained independence. Mostly they were granted independence.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 29, 2024 13:39:07 GMT
Fairness is subjective concept . One might ask if it’s fair for illegal migrants to be housed , fed and given an opportunity to live here. That to lefties , is a far right racist opinion. You need to do better than that. YES - absolutely 100% it is fair to put a roof over illegal migrants heads, and also to feed them, just as its also fair to feed prisoners and criminals, just the same as its fair to treat criminals with a level of humanity that defines us as been ... Civilised. What is the alternative to giving illegal immigrants a bed to sleep in and food to sustain them ? - shoot them, as some in Reform UK propose ? - or just set them free and let them take a chance of sink or swim. I mean, you put this question, but in reality what else can we do. ? Nope it’s not fair to house and feed them . It’s fair to keep then sheltered and fed up to the point that you expel them . It’s fair to make them understand that they will never be given the right to live here . It’s not fair to be blackmailed/ exploited by either them or virtue signalling lefties .
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Post by sandypine on Jun 29, 2024 13:42:44 GMT
Fairness is subjective concept . One might ask if it’s fair for illegal migrants to be housed , fed and given an opportunity to live here. That to lefties , is a far right racist opinion. You need to do better than that. YES - absolutely 100% it is fair to put a roof over illegal migrants heads, and also to feed them, just as its also fair to feed prisoners and criminals, just the same as its fair to treat criminals with a level of humanity that defines us as been ... Civilised. What is the alternative to giving illegal immigrants a bed to sleep in and food to sustain them ? - shoot them, as some in Reform UK propose ? - or just set them free and let them take a chance of sink or swim. I mean, you put this question, but in reality what else can we do. ? Is there a line you would draw whereby there were too many illegl migrants to be fair to. Bearing in teh mind the world has almost 8 billion souls of whom at least 100 million would dearly love to come here given half a chance, it may be many more.
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Post by see2 on Jun 29, 2024 14:04:57 GMT
I wouldn't say they are conservative by default, I would say they've been made that way by affirmative action. It's simply cause and effect. The left used to believe they were serving a just cause, now you only have to look at the type of posters (of three who are in this thread) who deliberately go out their way to stoke division. Self awareness 101. Three isn't even a quorum Self awareness allows one to see reality. Anyone who is further left of moderate or further right of moderate, is no longer dealing with UK reality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 14:13:58 GMT
Is the left, the woke, stoking Racism deliberately? Yes.
Divide and conquer is the lefty tactic de jour.
Agreed, and they're becoming more and more extreme with each generation. Today they're playing with fire and supporting hardline Islamists and they obviously do not care about any long-term consequences.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 29, 2024 15:15:51 GMT
YES - absolutely 100% it is fair to put a roof over illegal migrants heads, and also to feed them, just as its also fair to feed prisoners and criminals, just the same as its fair to treat criminals with a level of humanity that defines us as been ... Civilised. What is the alternative to giving illegal immigrants a bed to sleep in and food to sustain them ? - shoot them, as some in Reform UK propose ? - or just set them free and let them take a chance of sink or swim. I mean, you put this question, but in reality what else can we do. ? Is there a line you would draw whereby there were too many illegl migrants to be fair to. Bearing in teh mind the world has almost 8 billion souls of whom at least 100 million would dearly love to come here given half a chance, it may be many more. How we treat illegal migrants who cross the English Channel in boats is a separate issue to how many immigrants we can take. We cannot take in all who choose the UK as a destination, therefore we have to find a solution which is fair to the British people, sustainable, yet stands by our international agreements on refugees and asylum. Does anyone know what the answer is ? ... Do you have an answer ? The outgoing governments plan has not worked, and the idea of sending a tiny proporion to Rwanda will never work, for the simple reason that those sitting waiting to cross the Channel in Calais will know that the chances of been sent to Rwanda is very small, therefore its not a deterent. The Labour leader has got some ideas, and a plan of action, which will involve using British Intelligence and tracking the people smugglers back towards source, I dont know whether it will be effective, but according to a series of special reports on Channel 4 News, it souonds more like a credible plan.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 29, 2024 16:33:31 GMT
Is there a line you would draw whereby there were too many illegl migrants to be fair to. Bearing in teh mind the world has almost 8 billion souls of whom at least 100 million would dearly love to come here given half a chance, it may be many more. How we treat illegal migrants who cross the English Channel in boats is a separate issue to how many immigrants we can take. We cannot take in all who choose the UK as a destination, therefore we have to find a solution which is fair to the British people, sustainable, yet stands by our international agreements on refugees and asylum. Does anyone know what the answer is ? ... Do you have an answer ? The outgoing governments plan has not worked, and the idea of sending a tiny proporion to Rwanda will never work, for the simple reason that those sitting waiting to cross the Channel in Calais will know that the chances of been sent to Rwanda is very small, therefore its not a deterent. The Labour leader has got some ideas, and a plan of action, which will involve using British Intelligence and tracking the people smugglers back towards source, I dont know whether it will be effective, but according to a series of special reports on Channel 4 News, it souonds more like a credible plan. The question was is there a limit to illegal migrants we treat 'fairly'. You seem to accept that there is a limit, have we passed that limit, if we have not do you know what that limit is, is it a flexible limit. Reform have an answer and many here have an answer in that they should not be treated as 'fairly' as we do and we should treat them no better than we treat UK citizens. However many UK citizens are in crowded hostels, cheap hotels, refuges or on the streets so fairness would see illegal migrants not housed, not fed, not given mobile phones and if they lie to obtain asylum they are held in detention with a chance to take a boat across the channel to France and claim there or return to their home country.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 29, 2024 16:56:47 GMT
Is there a line you would draw whereby there were too many illegl migrants to be fair to. Bearing in teh mind the world has almost 8 billion souls of whom at least 100 million would dearly love to come here given half a chance, it may be many more. How we treat illegal migrants who cross the English Channel in boats is a separate issue to how many immigrants we can take. We cannot take in all who choose the UK as a destination, therefore we have to find a solution which is fair to the British people, sustainable, yet stands by our international agreements on refugees and asylum. Does anyone know what the answer is ? ... Do you have an answer ? The outgoing governments plan has not worked, and the idea of sending a tiny proporion to Rwanda will never work, for the simple reason that those sitting waiting to cross the Channel in Calais will know that the chances of been sent to Rwanda is very small, therefore its not a deterent. The Labour leader has got some ideas, and a plan of action, which will involve using British Intelligence and tracking the people smugglers back towards source, I dont know whether it will be effective, but according to a series of special reports on Channel 4 News, it souonds more like a credible plan.Countries across Europe (including the UK) have been trying (and failing) for years to combat the people smugglers - if only they had known all they needed to do was call Mr Starmer..
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 29, 2024 18:14:53 GMT
How we treat illegal migrants who cross the English Channel in boats is a separate issue to how many immigrants we can take. We cannot take in all who choose the UK as a destination, therefore we have to find a solution which is fair to the British people, sustainable, yet stands by our international agreements on refugees and asylum. Does anyone know what the answer is ? ... Do you have an answer ? The outgoing governments plan has not worked, and the idea of sending a tiny proporion to Rwanda will never work, for the simple reason that those sitting waiting to cross the Channel in Calais will know that the chances of been sent to Rwanda is very small, therefore its not a deterent. The Labour leader has got some ideas, and a plan of action, which will involve using British Intelligence and tracking the people smugglers back towards source, I dont know whether it will be effective, but according to a series of special reports on Channel 4 News, it souonds more like a credible plan. The question was is there a limit to illegal migrants we treat 'fairly'. You seem to accept that there is a limit, have we passed that limit, if we have not do you know what that limit is, is it a flexible limit. Reform have an answer and many here have an answer in that they should not be treated as 'fairly' as we do and we should treat them no better than we treat UK citizens. However many UK citizens are in crowded hostels, cheap hotels, refuges or on the streets so fairness would see illegal migrants not housed, not fed, not given mobile phones and if they lie to obtain asylum they are held in detention with a chance to take a boat across the channel to France and claim there or return to their home country. No, there is not a limit to the numbers of illegal immigrants we treat fairly, we have to treat all illegal immigrants with an acceptable level of dignity whether we like it or not. However, I do agree that there is a limit as to how many illegal immigrants we can take in. You say that Reform UK have all the answers - So here is what it states on their website >> Imagine No More Small Boats in the Channel Illegal migrants who come to the UK will be detained and deported. And if needed, migrants in small boats will be picked up and taken back to France. ------------------------------------------------------------------- So an Afghan refugee will be detained and deported ... To where exactly ?, are Reform UK proposing to negotiate with The Taliban and draw up an agreement. What about the fact that once outside of French territorial waters, or inside UK territorial waters, France does not have to take any responsibility, or take the migrants back, and who says that France will allow British officials to arrive on French beaches to drop off the illegal migrants. ? Do you not think that this has all been thought of or attempts to negotiate such plans by the Tories with France. ? Reform UK have no answers, they only pretend they do
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 29, 2024 19:12:21 GMT
I wouldn't say they are conservative by default, I would say they've been made that way by affirmative action. It's simply cause and effect. The left used to believe they were serving a just cause, now you only have to look at the type of posters (of three who are in this thread) who deliberately go out their way to stoke division. Self awareness 101. Three isn't even a quorum Self awareness allows one to see reality. Anyone who is further left of moderate or further right of moderate, is no longer dealing with UK reality. Three isn't even a quorumAh bless , you try to use the word quorum but don't know the meaning of the word the minimum number of officers or members of a body that is required to be present at a given meeting (as to transact business)www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quorum
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Post by sandypine on Jun 29, 2024 19:24:03 GMT
The question was is there a limit to illegal migrants we treat 'fairly'. You seem to accept that there is a limit, have we passed that limit, if we have not do you know what that limit is, is it a flexible limit. Reform have an answer and many here have an answer in that they should not be treated as 'fairly' as we do and we should treat them no better than we treat UK citizens. However many UK citizens are in crowded hostels, cheap hotels, refuges or on the streets so fairness would see illegal migrants not housed, not fed, not given mobile phones and if they lie to obtain asylum they are held in detention with a chance to take a boat across the channel to France and claim there or return to their home country. No, there is not a limit to the numbers of illegal immigrants we treat fairly, we have to treat all illegal immigrants with an acceptable level of dignity whether we like it or not. However, I do agree that there is a limit as to how many illegal immigrants we can take in. You say that Reform UK have all the answers - So here is what it states on their website >> Imagine No More Small Boats in the Channel Illegal migrants who come to the UK will be detained and deported. And if needed, migrants in small boats will be picked up and taken back to France. ------------------------------------------------------------------- So an Afghan refugee will be detained and deported ... To where exactly ?, are Reform UK proposing to negotiate with The Taliban and draw up an agreement. What about the fact that once outside of French territorial waters, or inside UK territorial waters, France does not have to take any responsibility, or take the migrants back, and who says that France will allow British officials to arrive on French beaches to drop off the illegal migrants. ? Do you not think that this has all been thought of or attempts to negotiate such plans by the Tories with France. ? Reform UK have no answers, they only pretend they do I have not said Reform have all the answers, what they do have is a clearer idea of what action is needed that will stop the boats. The problems facing Reform in you scenario are no different to those facing all parties. France have to accept pushbacks otherwise they are flouting international law as the boats are setting sail from France and can be returned to port of departure. Richard Tice was very clear on this point that Maritime law is on his side. We can stop the boats entering British waters and as a safety measure can escort them back to safety in France. If there is no limit to who we treat fairly but a limit to how many we can take in what is that limit? Have we reached it, have we passed it, how many would it be? Most think we have already passed it in fact most think we passed it well over two years ago but we have to go with the left wing limits and they are never defined.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 29, 2024 20:34:44 GMT
By putting the British second, even third? its seen everywhere, housing, schools, NHS, that a supreessed rage IS coming to the surface, it will be seen at the election, if everthing is left, the Tories etc, then the volcano must burst forth, you cannot turn every party left and leave the majority up the swannee without a paddle. Britain is Britain, the plan to change that has gone way to far. Multiculturalism is to divide, we should all muster under one flag...the Union flag. The left are a deeply disturbed outfit, like all the stuff that comes from the east, destroying all before it. The British are by default, conservative. Hangon. Everyone is. Being left is a cult, a con, wanting you to believe subversive crap. And Britian as it is today, is the result. The solution is obvious. We need to invest billions in the development of time travel. When this is perfected, it will reduce our population numbers, especially unproductive pensioners, by allowing you all to go back to the 1950s. Problem solved, lol. We can solve the problem FAR faster Begin by saying no P60, no vote Then progress to no 40% tax contribution, no vote. That should safely restore us to about 1832
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Post by piglet on Jun 30, 2024 9:16:11 GMT
Britain is an affluent country, it has countless benefits, the sea, fishing, dairy, natural resources, grain, oil etc. The british people are diverse genetically and are able to take advantage producing much wealth. Where has it gone?
It has been wasted by politicians, who are criminal in their negligence.
And because Britain is wealthy many want some of that. Are the boat people badly underfed, sporting injuries from torture? Not only is the answer no, but we must change our country to their specification. Britain is being raped financially, and the reds and blues say its ok.
Their is a small minority because they are wealthy think caring for others trumps any other consideration, logic, fairness is not part of it, they are quite mad. The rest are conservative, its how wealth was created in the first place.
For instance, if you make money as a farmer you look after your family well in all ways financially. Charity is then a choice, not government policy. A wealthy Britain is a healthy Britain, all benefit, not like today, we are bankrupt because of the left, we will always be bankrupt under the reds, and i include the Tories.
Labour are about to be in power, are they now financially adult? NO. Indeed its in their interest to make things worse, look at Venezuala. That the mistakes of the past are never acknowledged then prevented.
It is the apex of stupidity, of a dereliction of duty, a terrible betrayal. And its not because they are dumb, which they are, the left want this country destroyed.
Yet Labour will be voted in, you cant make it up.
Business people from abroad call Britain treasure island, we pay way above prices for everything. In fact im sure Britain keeps europe afloat one way or another. We pay France for nowt. We give money to the Chinese, we pay invaders, we used to pay for new sewrs in budapest, i bet we still do. We pay french farmers to go on holiday to Hawaii.
Britain is governed by none british people, watch this...when David Lammy becomes forign secretary. As a country we have been taken over, destroyed from within, we have let the invaders take over. Our wealth is given away.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 1, 2024 21:03:03 GMT
Britain is governed by none british people, watch this...when David Lammy becomes forign secretary. As a country we have been taken over, destroyed from within, we have let the invaders take over. Our wealth is given away. David Lammy was born in Holloway. Why are you calling him an invader?
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