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Post by Pacifico on Jul 13, 2024 17:37:03 GMT
We dont control Scotland. Devolution happened years ago - so why has it not worked? you control practically all of the levers of the Scottish economy ,majority of taxation ( 67.6%) , majority of welfare , immigration etc etc. The Scottish Parliament was not designed under devolution to run Scotlands economy as everyone outside of England knows. You have had over three hundred years to get scotland into shape , yet you keep telling us we are too poor to be independent . Devolution is 25 years old , and in that time , despite little real powers , scotland has improved tremendously. For example , prior to devolution , all the top areas of poverty in the uk were mainly in scotland , now they are in England and Wales. Hence the comment from the germans about the English not being used to affluence. You haven't taken the opportunity to maximise the taxation you do control - what taxes would you like to control as well, VAT? NI? Stamp duty? You do run your own NHS (badly), Schools, Water, Rail, Legal system, Housing, transport and have your own industrial and welfare policy. The failures in Scotland are down to the decisions you make - you cannot keep blaming the English for everything wrong with your life. Take some responsibility. |
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Post by Tinculin on Jul 13, 2024 18:23:19 GMT
Population size has alot to do with it. Just like anything, to be a world class footballer, you are at the extremes of the population in your field. Nations with far larger populations, statistically will just have more people of this quality. Obviously, things like how much emphasis and interest a nation has in a particular sport will also have an appeal, as will training, skill, and the effort the national team puts into playing together. When you try to pick the top 20 males out of a large EU country like England, France, Germany, Spain etc, then at the very extremes, there is just going to stastically be more people at the very elite level to select from. Scotland has a much lower population, and if you compare them to nations of similar population sizes (the baltics & smaller nordic countries), then you'll see those countries have also met with little success. About the only exception that comes immediately to mind, is Denmark. totally disagree. Why are Croatia great footballers , and why do the worlds most populated nation china not win world cups then? Scotland is ranked something like 11th in the Uefa co efficient out of 55 , yet only 7 nations have lower population densities than scotland. There are a multitude of factors behind why some nations are great at football and others poorer. Scotland punches far above its weight . Population != density, and you shouldn't confuse it as such. Croatia were knocked out in the group stage. Scotland were humilitated and have never done well. The UEFA coefficient clearly isn't very accurate, as there is no way on this earth, someone can say with a straight face that Scotland are the 11th best team in the world. They're not even top 20. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 13, 2024 18:30:35 GMT
The really fun thing, Morayloon has backed every loser in the tournament.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 19:06:15 GMT
 Batman speaking the truth |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 20:41:21 GMT
We dread England winning. Commentators and the media go on about 1966 at the drop of a hat. They'll be worse if they do win this one. Get over it! You won the WC on home soil, playing all your matches at the same dump. You got a 'non' goal - the ball did not cross the line. The National hits the nail on the head  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 13, 2024 21:14:43 GMT
Even Scots are taking the piss out of the Nat looneys....😂
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Post by Bentley on Jul 13, 2024 21:16:28 GMT
Reading this clown flexing his shoulder chips is as fascinating as it is amusing .
Wodehouses quip about Scotsman doesn’t apply to all but by the fuck it applies to him.
However ….the damage is already done to thin skinned Sassanach haters . Even if we lose to Spain this is still the first major final that England has achieved since 1966.
In the same year that Scotland failed to reach the knockout stages and Murray was blown out by an English girl it must be like itching powder in their Snat tartan underpants .
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2024 21:19:35 GMT
We dread England winning. Commentators and the media go on about 1966 at the drop of a hat. They'll be worse if they do win this one. Get over it! You won the WC on home soil, playing all your matches at the same dump. You got a 'non' goal - the ball did not cross the line. The National hits the nail on the head The 66 final was on the tele this afternoon and I sat and watched. The fouls were relatively few and far between, the football was fast flowing, there were no premadonna tears, the players helped each other to their feet and there was no over the top celebrations when scoring with little dances. Throw-ins and corners were taken without long moments of steadying themselves. The passing was pretty poor on occasion, the fitness level was suspect. All round the football was more enjoyable than today apart from one or two teams at this years Euros. I want England to win, despite being a sweaty, but I dread the over the top ballyhoo that will result |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 13, 2024 21:25:29 GMT
We dread England winning. Commentators and the media go on about 1966 at the drop of a hat. They'll be worse if they do win this one. Get over it! You won the WC on home soil, playing all your matches at the same dump. You got a 'non' goal - the ball did not cross the line. The National hits the nail on the head The 66 final was on the tele this afternoon and I sat and watched. The fouls were relatively few and far between, the football was fast flowing, there were no premadonna tears, the players helped each other to their feet and there was no over the top celebrations when scoring with little dances. Throw-ins and corners were taken without long moments of steadying themselves. The passing was pretty poor on occasion, the fitness level was suspect. All round the football was more enjoyable than today apart from one or two teams at this years Euros. I want England to win, despite being a sweaty, but I dread the over the top ballyhoo that will result Thing is Sandy. We know that we over do it . We know that ‘footballs coming home ‘ is an indulgence to the ones that believe it and amusing to the ones who don’t . It’s more self deprecating than some might think . England fans are like West Ham fans …hope always triumphs over experience and the fans know it. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 14, 2024 1:29:29 GMT
Reading this clown flexing his shoulder chips is as fascinating as it is amusing . Wodehouses quip about Scotsman doesn’t apply to all but by the fuck it applies to him. However ….the damage is already done to thin skinned Sassanach haters . Even if we lose to Spain this is still the first major final that England has achieved since 1966. In the same year that Scotland failed to reach the knockout stages and Murray was blown out by an English girl it must be like itching powder in their Snat tartan underpants . Scotland is not the footballing 'basket case' it is sometimes proclaimed to be. Since 1974, we have qualified for 50% of World Cup Finals. A much better record than similar sized countries (by population). Although there has been no qualification since 1998, we did qualify for five finals in a row, missed a competition (1994), then back in 1998. In that period, we were unlucky: there was a failure to score enough goals against the groups' weakest teams, leaving us at a great disadvantage. Also, we either drawing (Iran 78) or losing (Costa Rica 90) The Records Of England & Scotland At The World Cup Finals Since 19661966 - England only got there because they were hosting the event. Scotland came 2nd in a group which was won by Italy. 1970 - England qualified as champions: lost in QFs to W. Germany. Scotland didn't qualify: lost out to W Germany who were to finish 3rd, and who won the European Championships in 1972. 1974 - England failed to qualify, losing out to Poland. Scotland qualified. Lost out, in Group stages, on goal difference. Had the rattled in some more v Zaire they would have gone through instead of Brazil 1978 - England failed to qualify. Scotland qualified. Lost out, in group stages, on goal difference. Had the team beaten Iran they would have gone on to the QFs. Brilliant goal by Archie Gemmill v Netherlands 1982 - England qualified. Lost out, in the 2nd Group stage, with W. Germany going through to semi-final. Scotland qualified. Lost out on goal difference to USSR, in 1st Group stage. Went up 1-0 v Brazil thanks to this goal by Dave Narey 1986 - England knocked out QF, beaten by Argentina. Scotland qualified lost out in group stages. 1990 - England knocked out SF, losing to W. Germany. Scotland qualified. Lost out in Group stages mainly because they failed to beat Costa Rica 1994 - England did not qualify. Scotland did not qualify 1998 - England knocked out Round of 16. Scotland qualified. Lost out in Group stage 2002 - England knocked out QF. Scotland didn't qualify 2006 - England knocked out in QF. Scotland did not qualify 2010 - England knocked out, in Round of 16, by Germany. Scotland did not qualify 2014 - England knocked out in Group stage. Scotland did not qualify 2018 - England knocked out, in SF, by Croatia. Scotland did not qualify 2022 - England knocked out, in QF, by France. Scotland did not qualify |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 14, 2024 1:50:52 GMT
We dread England winning. Commentators and the media go on about 1966 at the drop of a hat. They'll be worse if they do win this one. Get over it! You won the WC on home soil, playing all your matches at the same dump. You got a 'non' goal - the ball did not cross the line. The National hits the nail on the head The 66 final was on the tele this afternoon and I sat and watched. The fouls were relatively few and far between, the football was fast flowing, there were no premadonna tears, the players helped each other to their feet and there was no over the top celebrations when scoring with little dances. Throw-ins and corners were taken without long moments of steadying themselves. The passing was pretty poor on occasion, the fitness level was suspect. All round the football was more enjoyable than today apart from one or two teams at this years Euros. I want England to win, despite being a sweaty, but I dread the over the top ballyhoo that will result That's them at it again. We, and I think you are very much in the minority, are thoroughly pissed off at the constant showing of, and talkin about, an event that happened almost 60 years ago. It is completely OTT. I don't want England to win precisely because of, what you correctly describe as, the "ballyhoo that will result". |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 8:44:15 GMT
If England win, it'll be a source of great pride fellow Brit, you're just jealous, green with envy and sick with hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 13:11:50 GMT
We dread England winning. Commentators and the media go on about 1966 at the drop of a hat. They'll be worse if they do win this one. Get over it! You won the WC on home soil, playing all your matches at the same dump. You got a 'non' goal - the ball did not cross the line. The National hits the nail on the head ¡Cállate! |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 14, 2024 13:14:06 GMT
Reading this clown flexing his shoulder chips is as fascinating as it is amusing . Wodehouses quip about Scotsman doesn’t apply to all but by the fuck it applies to him. However ….the damage is already done to thin skinned Sassanach haters . Even if we lose to Spain this is still the first major final that England has achieved since 1966. In the same year that Scotland failed to reach the knockout stages and Murray was blown out by an English girl it must be like itching powder in their Snat tartan underpants . Scotland is not the footballing 'basket case' it is sometimes proclaimed to be. Since 1974, we have qualified for 50% of World Cup Finals. A much better record than similar sized countries (by population). Although there has been no qualification since 1998, we did qualify for five finals in a row, missed a competition (1994), then back in 1998. In that period, we were unlucky: there was a failure to score enough goals against the groups' weakest teams, leaving us at a great disadvantage. Also, we either drawing (Iran 78) or losing (Costa Rica 90) The Records Of England & Scotland At The World Cup Finals Since 19661966 - England only got there because they were hosting the event. Scotland came 2nd in a group which was won by Italy. 1970 - England qualified as champions: lost in QFs to W. Germany. Scotland didn't qualify: lost out to W Germany who were to finish 3rd, and who won the European Championships in 1972. 1974 - England failed to qualify, losing out to Poland. Scotland qualified. Lost out, in Group stages, on goal difference. Had the rattled in some more v Zaire they would have gone through instead of Brazil 1978 - England failed to qualify. Scotland qualified. Lost out, in group stages, on goal difference. Had the team beaten Iran they would have gone on to the QFs. Brilliant goal by Archie Gemmill v Netherlands 1982 - England qualified. Lost out, in the 2nd Group stage, with W. Germany going through to semi-final. Scotland qualified. Lost out on goal difference to USSR, in 1st Group stage. Went up 1-0 v Brazil thanks to this goal by Dave Narey 1986 - England knocked out QF, beaten by Argentina. Scotland qualified lost out in group stages. 1990 - England knocked out SF, losing to W. Germany. Scotland qualified. Lost out in Group stages mainly because they failed to beat Costa Rica 1994 - England did not qualify. Scotland did not qualify 1998 - England knocked out Round of 16. Scotland qualified. Lost out in Group stage 2002 - England knocked out QF. Scotland didn't qualify 2006 - England knocked out in QF. Scotland did not qualify 2010 - England knocked out, in Round of 16, by Germany. Scotland did not qualify 2014 - England knocked out in Group stage. Scotland did not qualify 2018 - England knocked out, in SF, by Croatia. Scotland did not qualify 2022 - England knocked out, in QF, by France. Scotland did not qualify You’ve just posted a long post telling us how shit Scotland is while trying to tell us how shit England is .lol. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 14, 2024 13:25:39 GMT
you control practically all of the levers of the Scottish economy ,majority of taxation ( 67.6%) , majority of welfare , immigration etc etc. The Scottish Parliament was not designed under devolution to run Scotlands economy as everyone outside of England knows. You have had over three hundred years to get scotland into shape , yet you keep telling us we are too poor to be independent . Devolution is 25 years old , and in that time , despite little real powers , scotland has improved tremendously. For example , prior to devolution , all the top areas of poverty in the uk were mainly in scotland , now they are in England and Wales. Hence the comment from the germans about the English not being used to affluence. You haven't taken the opportunity to maximise the taxation you do control - what taxes would you like to control as well, VAT? NI? Stamp duty? You do run your own NHS (badly), Schools, Water, Rail, Legal system, Housing, transport and have your own industrial and welfare policy. The failures in Scotland are down to the decisions you make - you cannot keep blaming the English for everything wrong with your life. Take some responsibility. so you have moved from implying we control our own country through devolution , to desperate diversions about not maximising the small percentage of tax in our country you allow us to control? Can you tell us what you mean ? we outperform yours in many key areas. best performing A and E in the uk , record number of gps , more per head than anywhere else in uk , best paid staff , record investment . eurostatt has scotland down as the best educated country win Europe. www.thenational.scot/news/19929798.scotland-europes-best-educated-population-according-eurostat/ www.djsresearch.co.uk/UtilitiesMarketResearchInsightsAndFindings/article/Scottish-Water-is-found-to-be-leading-water-company-in-latest-performance-poll-05526#:~:text=Focussing%20on%20communication%2C%20Scottish%20Water,the%20average%20score%20of%207.0. Scottish Water is found to be leading water company in latest performance poll Households in Scotland enjoy cheaper water charges than those in England and Wales as a result of the utility remaining in public ownership, the SNP has said. Research by the House of Commons Library found the annual average bill was £410 north of the border compared to £448 elsewhere. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-pay-cheaper-water-bills-30468794 scotrail is one of the uks most reliable services , coming fourth out of 24 major train companies. So far , everything you have mentioned appears to be better run under the weak system of devolution in scotland than what is happening in England. Why bother arguing about the crumbs , when independence can give us total control of it all? |
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