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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2024 8:08:32 GMT
Not much money in the Scottish leagues compared with their Southern neighbours. Wales without that Bale period would also have done poorly. All the more reason to build up their academies, train players to be as fit and as tactical as possible. Having the best players gives something to sell. And also gives a good chance in competitions like the Euros and World Cups. If I recall properly way back in the early 70s Pompey tried to save money by dispensing with the youth team and decided they would just buy the players they needed. Needless to say when Pompey came calling for players the price zoomed up and the result was a slide from Div 2 to Div 4 in a few short seasons. At the time they had to pay 100,000 for Peter Marinello who was good but not that good at the time and then they entered a long period of financial crisis. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 18, 2024 9:57:47 GMT
A bit of Portsmouth nostalgia just for sandypine. I was on a Summer Holiday in Yorkshire around about that time and attended one of the opening season fixtures at Bootham Crescent and watched York City beat Pompey. Portsmouth were managed by Ian St.John at the time, and the likes of Paul Went, Marinello, and even George Graham were in the Pompey side that day. Incidentally £100,000 was the transfer fee that Arsenal paid Hibernian in order to bring him South in 1970. Tracking down the fee Portsmouth paid took a few more minutes searching, but to my surprise, even allowing for 1970's inflation, according to Marinello himself it was £110,000 when he moved on to Fratton Park .... I've taken that from his interview with the Daily Mail which he gave 10 years ago, which may be of some interest if you haven't read it. link - Peter Marinello Interview
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2024 10:34:34 GMT
A bit of Portsmouth nostalgia just for sandypine. I was on a Summer Holiday in Yorkshire around about that time and attended one of the opening season fixtures at Bootham Crescent and watched York City beat Pompey. Portsmouth were managed by Ian St.John at the time, and the likes of Paul Went, Marinello, and even George Graham were in the Pompey side that day. Incidentally £100,000 was the transfer fee that Arsenal paid Hibernian in order to bring him South in 1970. Tracking down the fee Portsmouth paid took a few more minutes searching, but to my surprise, even allowing for 1970's inflation, according to Marinello himself it was £110,000 when he moved on to Fratton Park .... I've taken that from his interview with the Daily Mail which he gave 10 years ago, which may be of some interest if you haven't read it. link - Peter Marinello Interview
Thanks for that. I never actually watched Pompey play but worked in the area with many supporters. I remember Marinello and George Graham because they came into a pub in Fareham one lunchtime with several other players one of whom was also well known but the name escapes me. Yes I recall now Marinello went to Arsenal first but they quickly off loaded him to Pompey as his form slumped over a couple of seasons. I cannot recall him doing much at Porstmouth as there was little talk about him that I can recall. There are snippets of info in Just Arsenal and Where are they now. Anecdotally I heard that Mick Mills was one of the Pompey youth team shoved off to Ipswich of which several supporters were quite bitter about. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 18, 2024 22:59:57 GMT
Excuses and bitterness form a Scot with a grudge . Woodhouse is proved to be right again . Come on England ! "Excuses and bitterness"? What excuses have I made? Where's the bitterness? What grudge am I supposed bear? The answer to all those questions is "it's all in your mind" |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 18, 2024 23:02:25 GMT
Excuses and bitterness form a Scot with a grudge . Woodhouse is proved to be right again . Come on England ! "Excuses and bitterness"? What excuses have I made? Where's the bitterness? What grudge am I supposed bear? The answer to all those questions is "it's all in your mind" More Mcprojection .^ |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:21:59 GMT
I'm upset? No way! Your team's inability to win any International competition, which is held outside England, has you all hot and bothered. Having said that, didn't you lose the Euros when it was held in England? England does just fine, they're in a very small elite group of seven nations who have ever won the world cup, and in the past 3 years have reached a final twice. But why are Scotland so consistently unable to even qualify from the group stages? Of that 7 nations you mention England comes last. Europe - Germany (incl.W) WC 4; Euros 3. Italy WC 3; ![]() ![]()  Euros 2; France WC 2; Euros 2. Spain WC 1; Euros 4. England WC 1; Euros 0. South America - Brazil WC 5; SA Champs/Copa America 9. Argentina WC 3; SA Champ/Copa America 16. About Scotland's inability to win through to the knockout stages, the only answer is that we do not have players with enough ability to achieve that kind of performance. It was not always so. As I have said previously, the 74 squad was full of class players like Sandy Jardine, Danny McGrain, Billy Bremner, Kenny Dalglish, Joe Jordan, Peter Lorimer, Denis Law (by 74 he was almost at the end of his career). In the group the only wins were against Zaire, all the other matches were drawn. Scotland's win, in their first match, against Zaire was not enough to match Yugoslavia's 9-0 victory or the 3-0 Brazilian win. Three countries finished on four points, Scotland lost out on Goal Difference. Having only drawn 0-0 with Scotland, Brazil went on to take third place. Shooting themselves in the foot against weaker opposition was to occur again in the much hyped 1978 Finals. The team lost their opening match to group winners Peru. Then they, inexplicably, drew with Iran before beating the Dutch (who finished 2nd in the event). Scotland were again hit by the inability to score enough goals against the weakest country in the group, and went out on GD. Scotland also competed in 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998. www.scottishfa.co.uk/scotland/archive/scotland-at-major-tournaments/scotland-at-the-world-cup/As I said above, Scotland's poor performance in Germany came down to player ability. Few were playing at top level in England or Scotland: McTominay, Robertson and McGinn were the only ones playing for Top 10 English teams. There were some who were plying their trade overseas, of whom Ryan Porteous was playing at the highest kevel (Real Sociedad). Several of the others, though, did play in the Premier League albeit for lower placed teams: Ryan Christie (Bournemouth) & Billy Gilmour (Brighton). But, too many were from Championship Clubs: Angus Gunn & Grant Hanley (both Norwich), Che Adams (Southampton), Ryan Porteous (Watford). Compare this with 1974 when five of the squad were from English champions Leeds Utd. Other English based players were from lower 1st Division teams Man City and the relegated Man Utd. There were top home players like Sandy Jardine, Danny McGrain, David Hay, Kenny Dalglish & John Blackley, who played for Hibs. Hibs were knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Leeds but took them all the way, only to lose 5-4 on penalties. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:22:37 GMT
"Excuses and bitterness"? What excuses have I made? Where's the bitterness? What grudge am I supposed bear? The answer to all those questions is "it's all in your mind" More Mcprojection .^ More utter stupidity |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:27:19 GMT
I think Morayloon probably hates Westminster, but I believe him when he says he doesn't hate the English. In my experience, if a Scot dislikes you, he doesn't mind telling you to your face. He does . You seem to be blind to it . I think it is you, and the other English people on this forum, who have difficulty with reality. I have asked the question (many times): when have I shown any anti-English sentiment? The answers have been pathetic in revealing the total weakness of any of your delusions |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:29:05 GMT
If he did, he would tell you. He's a Scot. He won't sugar coat it.What a load of crap .^ The crap is totally yours. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:34:44 GMT
You have known Morayloon long enough to know that he isn't afraid to say what he thinks. I’ve known Loony long enough to know that he hates the English but won’t admit it to the English … who he claims hates the Scot’s . As I said ..what a load of crap. Oh what a laugh, he comes out with a play on my name. I bet he doesn't know the Scots word and its meaning. As for the rest of your shit, I suggest you read, take in, and try to understand (I know it's difficult for you, but try anyway) what is written. Why would I hate the English people? You are just making it up as you go along |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:49:07 GMT
No one is doubting that, it is what he thinks that is the giveaway, parochial and insular with a deep and unquenchable hatred of the English, which is why we tend to take the mickey and insult him. If he was normal we wouldn't, so there you are. Taking the mickey and insulting me? If that is what you are doing I think that shows the low level of intelligence of yourself and your Brit Unionist RW nutter pals. You, and others, make statements about me, and what I say, but when asked to substantiate any of your accusations, the sound of silence is deafening. I am an Internationalist, as is the YES movement. I am not an isolationist like yourself and the others. I believe in working with other countries, including the EU. We will get back in asap. We want our Independence, not to hide away from the world, but to embrace it. The parochial people are those who believe the UK should cut itself off from the world. I am sure Brexit won't be the last of Isolationism, although I do hope Labour reverses some of the Tory idiocy - flights to Rwanda; having nothing to do with the ECHR ('we don't want foreigners telling us Brits what to do', we are hearing similar arguments that were rolled out during the Brexit campaign) |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 4:59:28 GMT
A bit of Portsmouth nostalgia just for sandypine. I was on a Summer Holiday in Yorkshire around about that time and attended one of the opening season fixtures at Bootham Crescent and watched York City beat Pompey. Portsmouth were managed by Ian St.John at the time, and the likes of Paul Went, Marinello, and even George Graham were in the Pompey side that day. Incidentally £100,000 was the transfer fee that Arsenal paid Hibernian in order to bring him South in 1970. Tracking down the fee Portsmouth paid took a few more minutes searching, but to my surprise, even allowing for 1970's inflation, according to Marinello himself it was £110,000 when he moved on to Fratton Park .... I've taken that from his interview with the Daily Mail which he gave 10 years ago, which may be of some interest if you haven't read it. link - Peter Marinello Interview
I think that Denis Law beat Marinello. Law was transferred from Man City to Torino for £110,000 in 1961. He then came back to Manchester - to United - for a Brit record Fee of £115,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Law#:~:text=He%20was%20nicknamed%20The%20King,1963%20and%20two%20Charity%20Shields. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 19, 2024 8:37:42 GMT
A bit of Portsmouth nostalgia just for sandypine. I was on a Summer Holiday in Yorkshire around about that time and attended one of the opening season fixtures at Bootham Crescent and watched York City beat Pompey. Portsmouth were managed by Ian St.John at the time, and the likes of Paul Went, Marinello, and even George Graham were in the Pompey side that day. Incidentally £100,000 was the transfer fee that Arsenal paid Hibernian in order to bring him South in 1970. Tracking down the fee Portsmouth paid took a few more minutes searching, but to my surprise, even allowing for 1970's inflation, according to Marinello himself it was £110,000 when he moved on to Fratton Park .... I've taken that from his interview with the Daily Mail which he gave 10 years ago, which may be of some interest if you haven't read it. link - Peter Marinello Interview
I think that Denis Law beat Marinello. Law was transferred from Man City to Torino for £110,000 in 1961. He then came back to Manchester - to United - for a Brit record Fee of £115,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Law#:~:text=He%20was%20nicknamed%20The%20King,1963%20and%20two%20Charity%20Shields. I think it was a record transfer between British teams, we know the Italians threw money around with the likes of John Charles who I have to confess I thought was an English player. So I apologise to Wales |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 19, 2024 8:39:54 GMT
Can't win a match with your own team, bitter about your fellow Brits doing well?
Sort your own team out.
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Post by Tinculin on Jul 19, 2024 8:49:58 GMT
England does just fine, they're in a very small elite group of seven nations who have ever won the world cup, and in the past 3 years have reached a final twice. But why are Scotland so consistently unable to even qualify from the group stages? Of that 7 nations you mention England comes last. Europe - Germany (incl.W) WC 4; Euros 3. Italy WC 3; ![]() ![]() Euros 2; France WC 2; Euros 2. Spain WC 1; Euros 4. England WC 1; Euros 0. South America - Brazil WC 5; SA Champs/Copa America 9. Argentina WC 3; SA Champ/Copa America 16. About Scotland's inability to win through to the knockout stages, the only answer is that we do not have players with enough ability to achieve that kind of performance. It was not always so. As I have said previously, the 74 squad was full of class players like Sandy Jardine, Danny McGrain, Billy Bremner, Kenny Dalglish, Joe Jordan, Peter Lorimer, Denis Law (by 74 he was almost at the end of his career). In the group the only wins were against Zaire, all the other matches were drawn. Scotland's win, in their first match, against Zaire was not enough to match Yugoslavia's 9-0 victory or the 3-0 Brazilian win. Three countries finished on four points, Scotland lost out on Goal Difference. Having only drawn 0-0 with Scotland, Brazil went on to take third place. Shooting themselves in the foot against weaker opposition was to occur again in the much hyped 1978 Finals. The team lost their opening match to group winners Peru. Then they, inexplicably, drew with Iran before beating the Dutch (who finished 2nd in the event). Scotland were again hit by the inability to score enough goals against the weakest country in the group, and went out on GD. Scotland also competed in 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998. www.scottishfa.co.uk/scotland/archive/scotland-at-major-tournaments/scotland-at-the-world-cup/As I said above, Scotland's poor performance in Germany came down to player ability. Few were playing at top level in England or Scotland: McTominay, Robertson and McGinn were the only ones playing for Top 10 English teams. There were some who were plying their trade overseas, of whom Ryan Porteous was playing at the highest kevel (Real Sociedad). Several of the others, though, did play in the Premier League albeit for lower placed teams: Ryan Christie (Bournemouth) & Billy Gilmour (Brighton). But, too many were from Championship Clubs: Angus Gunn & Grant Hanley (both Norwich), Che Adams (Southampton), Ryan Porteous (Watford). Compare this with 1974 when five of the squad were from English champions Leeds Utd. Other English based players were from lower 1st Division teams Man City and the relegated Man Utd. There were top home players like Sandy Jardine, Danny McGrain, David Hay, Kenny Dalglish & John Blackley, who played for Hibs. Hibs were knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Leeds but took them all the way, only to lose 5-4 on penalties. I think it's fair to say that there is a different expectation in results by English and Scottish fans - and i'd be the first to agree that many England fans set their hopes too high - but on the other hand, it's a competition, if you're going into a competition as a top 4 team in Europe with the mindset of losing, then that's already giving up and it's not going to be anywhere near as exciting. On the other hand, if you're a Scottish fan, then of course you're not going to expect to bring home any trophies because the quality of the players and team is currently far behind the European top teams. Of course, as a fan, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be behind your team 100%. The difference here is, that if Scotland did make it to a final where England didn't? I'd be rooting for Scotland. I've a feeling in the same situation, you'd be rooting for whatever team England were playing against. |
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