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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 16:48:40 GMT
Kemi Badenoch is the bookies favourite, with Robert Jenrick, Tom Tugendhat and Priti Patel following.
My favourite would be Kemi Badenoch.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 10, 2024 17:47:36 GMT
om15 You could definitely do a lot worse ... Cleverley or Tugendhat for instance, but I do wonder if after last week's debacle, Tory Party members don't want fresh ideas and a fresh direction, so is this the time to replace Sunak with a stop gap ? Well if there is a new younger group, but lacking in experience or leadership qualities then a shorter term hand on the tiller would have to be the option I suppose. But I do feel that older leaders will be put under the microscope or pre-judged unfavourably in the current climate due to Biden's obvious mental and physical failings. David Davis could well have celebrated his 80th birthday by the time the next election comes around, and there will be those who consider his leadership chance passed him by several decades ago. I fear it would be viewed as looking backward rather than forward, so I don't rate DD's chances. James Cleverly? The man who thinks date-rape is a joking matter? The man who ignored a report condemning safety conditions at an Immigration Removal Centre because doing anything with it might have made the General Election even worse for the Tories? Just the kind of principled and competent MP we need in charge of the Opposition... ...not. Never in the history of British Politics has an MP been so inappropriately, ironically named. All The Best So all you're doing in effect is agreeing with me that Cleverley would be a lot worse than David Davis. Just because you've gone to the trouble of listing a few of Cleverley's numerous faults, while I didn't bother (mainly because I was replying to a post about David Davis) does nothing to alter the fact that we're most probably in complete agreement about the man. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 10, 2024 19:38:15 GMT
What if you are wrong? Just look at all the shot the Conservatives got away with because of the "Brexit Goodwill" effect. Labour now have the "Not-The-Tories Goodwill" effect. How far will that carry them? I'll bet a LOT longer than 6 months. What Pro-Woke policies are Labour going to introduce? Remember Migration from the EU is down 70% since the Pandemic / Brexit, but overall immigration number are still massively higher - that was under a Conservative Government. They had 14 years to sort that out and did precisely NOTHING. Are you going to give Labour 14 years of slack? If not, why not? Net Zero is going to be costly, no doubt about it. But if you have kids or grand-kids and want to leave then anything of value then it is 100% essential. I don't have kids, and I'll be dead within 10 years anyway, so overall doing nothing about it doesn't directly affect me; but I still think it is fairly necessary. All The Best In the weeks and months to come especially as we get into autumn and people start putting the heating on, Labour voters will realise just how much Starmer neglected to mention prior to the election, particularly about net zero. The realisation will dawn that voting Labour will have consequences. You mention woke... Just before the election Olivia Utley of GB News asked Starmer what toilet a trans woman with a penis should use, live on camera he turned and walked away without saying a word. Labour minister for women and equalities, Annelise Dodds, cant describe what a woman is! She is the minister for women ffs, and she cant describe what a woman is. Labour education secretary Bridget Phillipson cant describe what a woman is, this woke idiot is supposedly in charge of children's education and she doesn't know what a fuckin female is, when asked what toilet a trans woman with a penis should use, she refused to answer. Labour culture secretary Lisa Nandy famously said "Joe Biden is a really woke guy and an inspiration for Labour" Labour Home Secretary Yvette Cooper announced that 'refugees are welcome' in the UK. This is the Home Secretary ffs. Anyone who thinks this government will reduce immigration is a bloody fool. You know perfectly well that in 12 months time immigration will have gone up, probably a by lot. Net zero is a complete con, lets assume global warming is happening. When will you people get it into your heads that the UK cannot make a difference, the government could trash the economy, switch UK Plc off, we could live in caves, and it would make not a jot of difference to anything on a global level, other than make a few woke politicians feel virtuous when they fly half way around the world to attend COP & WEF meetings. We have a legal duty to genuine refugees. Refugees / Asylum Seekers are 100% totally different to Economic and Illegal Immigrants. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 10, 2024 20:13:41 GMT
[We have a legal duty to genuine refugees. Refugees / Asylum Seekers are 100% totally different to Economic and Illegal Immigrants. All The Best Oh my god, stop it for Christs sake stop it. Your argument flies in the face of common sense. Christ almighty man, how the hell can anyone who is fleeing the horrors of 'France' possibly be a refugee? Rhetorical. I'll tell you why outraged lefties think illegals are refugees; because of 75 year old legislation that was penned in the shadow of WW2 when there were tens of millions of displaced people in a war torn Europe. Yet today that very same legislation is used to great effect by left wing lawyers to protect criminals, terrorists, illegal immigrants and ne'er-do-wells from all corners of the world. It's insane. If you want to see refugees, genuine refugees, google Kutupalong. Unlike the criminals crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 10, 2024 21:45:47 GMT
Kemi Badenoch is the bookies favourite, with Robert Jenrick, Tom Tugendhat and Priti Patel following. My favourite would be Kemi Badenoch. Badenoch wont be leader, she would be a disaster. There's an awful lot about her that people seem to have forgotten, or are unaware of. Boris promoted her way beyond her ability, she then stabbed him in the back. She was keen on net zero, but on that front she's suddenly gone very quiet because she knows it's not popular. Also, it was pointed out by someone I was listening to earlier that, pre 2016, her social media has been completely wiped. As someone who doesn't do social media I'm not sure how that might be achieved, but if it's true, I do wonder what she has to hide. No, it wont be Badenoch. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 10, 2024 22:20:35 GMT
[We have a legal duty to genuine refugees. Refugees / Asylum Seekers are 100% totally different to Economic and Illegal Immigrants. All The Best Oh my god, stop it for Christs sake stop it. Your argument flies in the face of common sense. Christ almighty man, how the hell can anyone who is fleeing the horrors of 'France' possibly be a refugee? Rhetorical. I'll tell you why outraged lefties think illegals are refugees; because of 75 year old legislation that was penned in the shadow of WW2 when there were tens of millions of displaced people in a war torn Europe. Yet today that very same legislation is used to great effect by left wing lawyers to protect criminals, terrorists, illegal immigrants and ne'er-do-wells from all corners of the world. It's insane. If you want to see refugees, genuine refugees, google Kutupalong. Unlike the criminals crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. I don't give a fuck about "outraged lefties". I agree, 99.99% of those crossing the channel are Illegal Immigrants, and should be treated as the criminals they are. I have long suggested a Immigrant Return Centre be set up on the South Sandwich Islands; the illegals would still be in British Territory, but conditions there would soon have them spilling their guts on where they should be sent back to. But, it would be a tragedy, and highly likely a crime, if we wrongfully rejected genuine Refugees. Final note, you are aware it is possible to approach the UK from sea without ever setting foot in France, or any other mainland European nation. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 10, 2024 22:44:41 GMT
I don't give a fuck about "outraged lefties". I agree, 99.99% of those crossing the channel are Illegal Immigrants, and should be treated as the criminals they are. I have long suggested a Immigrant Return Centre be set up on the South Sandwich Islands; the illegals would still be in British Territory, but conditions there would soon have them spilling their guts on where they should be sent back to. But, it would be a tragedy, and highly likely a crime, if we wrongfully rejected genuine Refugees. Final note, you are aware it is possible to approach the UK from sea without ever setting foot in France, or any other mainland European nation. All The Best The problem is, how should I word this... traditionally I've been sympathetic, I don't mean a couple of years ago, I mean in a previous life. I've seen people who needed help and we helped. But over the past... maybe 15 years, my attitude has changed. As you say, people crossing the channel are not refugees, everyone knows they're not refugees but according to the ECHR if they claim to be refugees, we're fucked, they're refugees, end of. I would welcome refugees and that's the truth because there's nothing worse than being a refugee fleeing for your life with literally nothing zero possessions. And in my experience they consisted mainly of old people, women and children. Which is why I have absolutely no sympathy for the thousands of young mainly Muslim men who thanks to antiquated legislation can claim asylum/refugee status because they arrived in the UK, from France. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 11, 2024 9:53:36 GMT
I don't give a fuck about "outraged lefties". I agree, 99.99% of those crossing the channel are Illegal Immigrants, and should be treated as the criminals they are. I have long suggested a Immigrant Return Centre be set up on the South Sandwich Islands; the illegals would still be in British Territory, but conditions there would soon have them spilling their guts on where they should be sent back to. But, it would be a tragedy, and highly likely a crime, if we wrongfully rejected genuine Refugees. Final note, you are aware it is possible to approach the UK from sea without ever setting foot in France, or any other mainland European nation. All The Best The problem is, how should I word this... traditionally I've been sympathetic, I don't mean a couple of years ago, I mean in a previous life. I've seen people who needed help and we helped. But over the past... maybe 15 years, my attitude has changed. As you say, people crossing the channel are not refugees, everyone knows they're not refugees but according to the ECHR if they claim to be refugees, we're fucked, they're refugees, end of.I would welcome refugees and that's the truth because there's nothing worse than being a refugee fleeing for your life with literally nothing zero possessions. And in my experience they consisted mainly of old people, women and children. Which is why I have absolutely no sympathy for the thousands of young mainly Muslim men who thanks to antiquated legislation can claim asylum/refugee status because they arrived in the UK, from France. But that is not true. How the UK interprets and enacts the ECHR is down to UK Government Policy. UK Government Policy has, for at least the last 60 years served Big Business. Big Business wants more Immigration. So that is what we get. The Tories had 14 years to change things and then chose NOT TO. They picked a policy they knew was never going to work precisely because it gave them a vehicle to attack UK Courts and the ECHR. Because weaking UK Courts and the ECHR serves Big Business. All The Best |
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Post by borchester on Jul 23, 2024 19:14:59 GMT
Hopefully Boris Johnson
Priti Patel and Suella Braverman are OK, but the just don't carry enough guns.
That said, I will probably vote Reform.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 23, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
But that is not true. How the UK interprets and enacts the ECHR is down to UK Government Policy. UK Government Policy has, for at least the last 60 years served Big Business. Big Business wants more Immigration. So that is what we get. The Tories had 14 years to change things and then chose NOT TO. They picked a policy they knew was never going to work precisely because it gave them a vehicle to attack UK Courts and the ECHR. Because weaking UK Courts and the ECHR serves Big Business. All The Best It is perfectly true. The ECHR is antiquated legislation penned in the 1940's when there were tens of millions of displaced people in a war torn Europe. How people today can possibly pretend the ECHR works in the 21st century is completely mind boggling, it makes absolutely no sense. This is the problem with being virtuous in a woke world, for some inexplicable reason being virtuous trumps common sense. I'm sure most politicians know the ECHR is well past it's sell by date, but they dare not it say it out loud because the ECHR is the modern equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 24, 2024 11:52:46 GMT
Kemi Badenoch is the bookies favourite, with Robert Jenrick, Tom Tugendhat and Priti Patel following. My favourite would be Kemi Badenoch. Badenoch wont be leader, she would be a disaster. There's an awful lot about her that people seem to have forgotten, or are unaware of. Boris promoted her way beyond her ability, she then stabbed him in the back. She was keen on net zero, but on that front she's suddenly gone very quiet because she knows it's not popular. Also, it was pointed out by someone I was listening to earlier that, pre 2016, her social media has been completely wiped. As someone who doesn't do social media I'm not sure how that might be achieved, but if it's true, I do wonder what she has to hide. No, it wont be Badenoch. She would be my favourite too I think she's great , no nonsense , says it as it is and a good speaker |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 25, 2024 8:40:23 GMT
Hopefully Boris Johnson
Priti Patel and Suella Braverman are OK, but the just don't carry enough guns.
That said, I will probably vote Reform.
All of the sensible Tories will have joined Reform by then anyway. As will disaffected Labourites. The establishment parties are dead in the water. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 25, 2024 11:17:24 GMT
Robert Jenrick has thrown his hat in the ring: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmypvr4p49oSome serious barrel scraping going on here. Robert Jenrick: would leave the ECHR James Cleverly (least appropriately named MP ever): would leave the ECHR Tom Tugendhat: would leave the ECHR All we need now is Suella Braverman and we have the top table a the Conservative Party Hitler Appreciated Society. Anyone who even remotely cares about their own human rights needs to make sure none of these nutjobs are ever put in charge of the Tory Party All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 12:34:44 GMT
Robert Jenrick has thrown his hat in the ring: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmypvr4p49oSome serious barrel scraping going on here. Robert Jenrick: would leave the ECHR James Cleverly (least appropriately named MP ever): would leave the ECHR Tom Tugendhat: would leave the ECHR All we need now is Suella Braverman and we have the top table a the Conservative Party Hitler Appreciated Society. Anyone who even remotely cares about their own human rights needs to make sure none of these nutjobs are ever put in charge of the Tory Party All The Best It strikes me that the Conservatives aren't yet ready to have a proper, unflinching reflection on why they lost the election. They went through a similar process after 97. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 25, 2024 14:01:51 GMT
Robert Jenrick has thrown his hat in the ring: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmypvr4p49oSome serious barrel scraping going on here. Robert Jenrick: would leave the ECHR James Cleverly (least appropriately named MP ever): would leave the ECHR Tom Tugendhat: would leave the ECHR All we need now is Suella Braverman and we have the top table a the Conservative Party Hitler Appreciated Society. Anyone who even remotely cares about their own human rights needs to make sure none of these nutjobs are ever put in charge of the Tory Party All The Best It strikes me that the Conservatives aren't yet ready to have a proper, unflinching reflection on why they lost the election. They went through a similar process after 97. And wasn't the Tory Party's first leader after its '97 defeat, William Hague, responsible for moving the choice of party leader out of solely the hands of its MPs and into the hands of its membership?
This has proved a disaster for the party, as no leader since has managed to keep the lid on its quarrelling factions while trying to appeal to a dwindling ageing, but influential, membership and a wider younger electorate...
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