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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 9, 2024 16:30:47 GMT
I imagine by Christmas when people cant afford to heat their homes, Labour voters who voted for more immigration and draconian net zero policies will be very pleased with progress. However the vast majority of Labour voters will in all likelihood feel conned and disillusioned. We'll see.  Just like the last two years under the Tories you mean? I told you Starmer was just a Tory with a red tie. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 9, 2024 16:32:53 GMT
The more I think about it, Robert Jenrick would not be a bad call. You mean a man who twice broke the rules on planning while acting as Housing Minister? Yeah, great call. In the finest Johnsonian tradition. All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 17:25:44 GMT
he hasn't. He has been awarded a disproportionate victory , and im saying the public should be calling out such political injustice. Im happy if labour become the largest party with a third of seats. Not two thirds. Again, you can question the system all you want but that was the rules of engagement all of the competitors agreed to abide by and Starmer won by miles. If the Tories want to even compete at the next GE they need to come up with a plan that works within the system we have not the one you think we should have. questioning the system is one thing , claiming he won by getting a third of the vote while two thirds didnt vote for him is la la land. I dont really care what the tories do or want. Again , you retreat into the protective shell of the dead two party politics , when its clear the uk , wether you like it or not , is now multi party , and needs a system that befits the wishes of the majority of voters who dont support losers getting two thirds of seats on a third of the vote. The system should be taken away from the rotten tories and rotten labour ,and a referendum given to the people . I won't hold my breath though. chickens with minority support dont vote for Christmas. No mandate starmer. the majority dont want you or your party. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 9, 2024 19:51:31 GMT
Lets hope the leadership contest runs a bit smoother than this: "Conservative MPs were left furious on Tuesday night after the election of the new chairman of the 1922 Committee descended into chaos. Senior Tories including Jeremy Hunt, the shadow chancellor, and Mark Francois, the former Armed Forces minister, missed the vote after being told the wrong time to cast their ballot." www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/09/tory-chaos-as-bob-blackman-elected-1922-committee/Now they're out of power Tory incompetence is very amusing. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2024 20:34:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 20:50:05 GMT
a man who takes 33.7 % of the turnout , or 20% of the electorate support hasn't won anything. He's won a general election, this is factual, observable reality. So is the fact that two thirds of the voters did not vote for Labour. |
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Post by om15 on Jul 9, 2024 20:53:59 GMT
I think that Patel, Braverman and Badenoch are all tarred with the last administration, each one failed to inspire support or enthusiasm for a Tory Government, so it would be more of the same, anyone who served in the May/Johnson/Sunak front bench would not be suitable going forward.
They need an experienced and calm hand on the tiller for the next 5 years whilst a new younger untainted group gain experience, I would suggest Sir David Davis, he is a Brexiteer, knows how parliament works and is beyond personal advancement ambitions, he would simply just do the job.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 9, 2024 21:59:09 GMT
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You could definitely do a lot worse ... Cleverley or Tugendhat for instance, but I do wonder if after last week's debacle, Tory Party members don't want fresh ideas and a fresh direction, so is this the time to replace Sunak with a stop gap ? Well if there is a new younger group, but lacking in experience or leadership qualities then a shorter term hand on the tiller would have to be the option I suppose. But I do feel that older leaders will be put under the microscope or pre-judged unfavourably in the current climate due to Biden's obvious mental and physical failings. David Davis could well have celebrated his 80th birthday by the time the next election comes around, and there will be those who consider his leadership chance passed him by several decades ago. I fear it would be viewed as looking backward rather than forward, so I don't rate DD's chances.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 10, 2024 6:56:34 GMT
He's won a general election, this is factual, observable reality. So is the fact that two thirds of the voters did not vote for Labour. They didn't vote Tory either. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2024 7:14:14 GMT
So is the fact that two thirds of the voters did not vote for Labour. They didn't vote Tory either. The Tories are not pretending that they have a mandate.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 10, 2024 10:45:53 GMT
They didn't vote Tory either. The Tories are not pretending that they have a mandate.. Labour DOES have a Manadate. They WON the MOST Seats... ...end of. That they did so without a percentage majority is irrelevant, it is just another of the vagaries of our electoral system that ALL candidates were, or should have been, aware of when they put their names forward. It is disingenuous in the extreme to agree to partake in a competition with a specific set of rules, then complain about those rules AFTER you fail to win. Even more so if you were previously a victor under those rules and enjoyed the benefits accrued from such a victory for 14 years, and not once during those 14 years challenged the rules of that competition. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 10, 2024 11:10:06 GMT
om15 You could definitely do a lot worse ... Cleverley or Tugendhat for instance, but I do wonder if after last week's debacle, Tory Party members don't want fresh ideas and a fresh direction, so is this the time to replace Sunak with a stop gap ? Well if there is a new younger group, but lacking in experience or leadership qualities then a shorter term hand on the tiller would have to be the option I suppose. But I do feel that older leaders will be put under the microscope or pre-judged unfavourably in the current climate due to Biden's obvious mental and physical failings. David Davis could well have celebrated his 80th birthday by the time the next election comes around, and there will be those who consider his leadership chance passed him by several decades ago. I fear it would be viewed as looking backward rather than forward, so I don't rate DD's chances. James Cleverly? The man who thinks date-rape is a joking matter? The man who ignored a report condemning safety conditions at an Immigration Removal Centre because doing anything with it might have made the General Election even worse for the Tories? Just the kind of principled and competent MP we need in charge of the Opposition... ...not. Never in the history of British Politics has an MP been so inappropriately, ironically named. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 10, 2024 13:28:54 GMT
I imagine by Christmas when people cant afford to heat their homes, Labour voters who voted for more immigration and draconian net zero policies will be very pleased with progress. However the vast majority of Labour voters will in all likelihood feel conned and disillusioned. We'll see. Just like the last two years under the Tories you mean? I told you Starmer was just a Tory with a red tie. All The Best In six months time when people realise just how pro woke, pro immigration, and pro net zero this government is, an awful lot of Labour voters will be looking back and wondering, what the hell have we done. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 10, 2024 14:26:03 GMT
Just like the last two years under the Tories you mean? I told you Starmer was just a Tory with a red tie. All The Best In six months time when people realise just how pro woke, pro immigration, and pro net zero this government is, an awful lot of Labour voters will be looking back and wondering, what the hell have we done. What if you are wrong? Just look at all the shot the Conservatives got away with because of the "Brexit Goodwill" effect. Labour now have the "Not-The-Tories Goodwill" effect. How far will that carry them? I'll bet a LOT longer than 6 months. What Pro-Woke policies are Labour going to introduce? Remember Migration from the EU is down 70% since the Pandemic / Brexit, but overall immigration number are still massively higher - that was under a Conservative Government. They had 14 years to sort that out and did precisely NOTHING. Are you going to give Labour 14 years of slack? If not, why not? Net Zero is going to be costly, no doubt about it. But if you have kids or grand-kids and want to leave then anything of value then it is 100% essential. I don't have kids, and I'll be dead within 10 years anyway, so overall doing nothing about it doesn't directly affect me; but I still think it is fairly necessary. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 10, 2024 15:18:51 GMT
In six months time when people realise just how pro woke, pro immigration, and pro net zero this government is, an awful lot of Labour voters will be looking back and wondering, what the hell have we done. What if you are wrong? Just look at all the shot the Conservatives got away with because of the "Brexit Goodwill" effect. Labour now have the "Not-The-Tories Goodwill" effect. How far will that carry them? I'll bet a LOT longer than 6 months. What Pro-Woke policies are Labour going to introduce? Remember Migration from the EU is down 70% since the Pandemic / Brexit, but overall immigration number are still massively higher - that was under a Conservative Government. They had 14 years to sort that out and did precisely NOTHING. Are you going to give Labour 14 years of slack? If not, why not? Net Zero is going to be costly, no doubt about it. But if you have kids or grand-kids and want to leave then anything of value then it is 100% essential. I don't have kids, and I'll be dead within 10 years anyway, so overall doing nothing about it doesn't directly affect me; but I still think it is fairly necessary. All The Best In the weeks and months to come especially as we get into autumn and people start putting the heating on, Labour voters will realise just how much Starmer neglected to mention prior to the election, particularly about net zero. The realisation will dawn that voting Labour will have consequences. You mention woke... Just before the election Olivia Utley of GB News asked Starmer what toilet a trans woman with a penis should use, live on camera he turned and walked away without saying a word. Labour minister for women and equalities, Annelise Dodds, cant describe what a woman is! She is the minister for women ffs, and she cant describe what a woman is. Labour education secretary Bridget Phillipson cant describe what a woman is, this woke idiot is supposedly in charge of children's education and she doesn't know what a fuckin female is, when asked what toilet a trans woman with a penis should use, she refused to answer. Labour culture secretary Lisa Nandy famously said "Joe Biden is a really woke guy and an inspiration for Labour" Labour Home Secretary Yvette Cooper announced that 'refugees are welcome' in the UK. This is the Home Secretary ffs. Anyone who thinks this government will reduce immigration is a bloody fool. You know perfectly well that in 12 months time immigration will have gone up, probably a by lot. Net zero is a complete con, lets assume global warming is happening. When will you people get it into your heads that the UK cannot make a difference, the government could trash the economy, switch UK Plc off, we could live in caves, and it would make not a jot of difference to anything on a global level, other than make a few woke politicians feel virtuous when they fly half way around the world to attend COP & WEF meetings. |
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