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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 25, 2024 19:08:38 GMT
Ever asked yourself why they didn't deliver that "centre right" policy set? I mean Starmer just romped to victory with a centre-right policy set. Maybe, just maybe, trying to pander to the much further right loons in the fringe of the party was what prevented Tory Central delivering a centre-right policy set that could have seen them re-elected. Or maybe the country felt that after 14 Years of Tory rule and pretty much no one at all, outside of the top 5%, feeling any better off it was long past time for a change. All The Best Ever asked yourself whether Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative ? Or maybe , just maybe that a Starmer ‘ romped home’ because the Tories failed to achieve any of the right wing rhetoric that it promised ? Or maybe the Tories were led by politicians that had no idea how to achieve the promises that they made to the electorate? Have you ever asked yourself that? See I can do that .🙄 If the Tories lost because they were not Right Wing enough you would expect a lot more of their votes, and so seats, to have gone to Reform. Instead they want to the Liberals and Labour. Should be a huge clue there for you. If it was that "the Tories were led by politicians that had no idea how to achieve the promises that they made to the electorate" then maybe the Tory Party needs a new methodology for choosing those who sit in high-office, perhaps one that tests competency, and perhaps they need to re-diversify their party political gene-pool away from chinless wonder, never had a real job, Eton twonks? In fact I think ALL MPs should have to held a real word job BEFORE being eligible to stand as an MP. The whole system is awash with PPE Graduates who wouldn't know what real work was if it hit them in the face. All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:12:32 GMT
But as you said competence and political spectrum are two different things. Liz Truss' disastrous mini budget was due to incompetence, that wasn't a failure to deliver on right wing rhetoric. Neither was party gate, or crumbling public schools and NHS or the cost of living crisis. What right wing policies could they have delivered that would have persuaded enough of the electorate to forget about all of the above? They tend to converge when a government promises right wing policies and fails to achieve them . Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves . So you admit that it was not that Truss was too right wing . It was her failure to deliver right wing policies ? Reducing migration , tackling the spread of woke in society, law and order etc . As I said , it was the failure to achieve the rhetoric. Party gate was just Beergate with fines . So which right wing policies that the Tories failed to implement caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:14:17 GMT
I never said it did, I'm making the point that all of the so far declared candidates are tainted with past failure which a lot of voters are still paying for. And I’m making the point that None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to. Why would it have to? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:17:46 GMT
They tend to converge when a government promises right wing policies and fails to achieve them . Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves . So you admit that it was not that Truss was too right wing . It was her failure to deliver right wing policies ? Reducing migration , tackling the spread of woke in society, law and order etc . As I said , it was the failure to achieve the rhetoric. Party gate was just Beergate with fines . So which right wing policies that the Tories failed to implement caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? Truss failedto implement her own policies . Are you saying they were not right wing ? No one said that the Tories were not incompetent. In fact I’ve said the opposite . Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:18:30 GMT
And I’m making the point that None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to. Why would it have to? Where did I say it had to be ? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:31:04 GMT
So which right wing policies that the Tories failed to implement caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? Truss failedto implement her own policies . Are you saying they were not right wing ? No one said that the Tories were not incompetent. In fact I’ve said the opposite . Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion. Truss implemented her policies and they failed. I agree being competent is the prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion, that's why I don't think moving more to the right or left will save a failing left or right wing government. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:32:47 GMT
Ever asked yourself whether Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative ? Or maybe , just maybe that a Starmer ‘ romped home’ because the Tories failed to achieve any of the right wing rhetoric that it promised ? Or maybe the Tories were led by politicians that had no idea how to achieve the promises that they made to the electorate? Have you ever asked yourself that? See I can do that .🙄 If the Tories lost because they were not Right Wing enough you would expect a lot more of their votes, and so seats, to have gone to Reform. Instead they want to the Liberals and Labour. Should be a huge clue there for you. If it was that "the Tories were led by politicians that had no idea how to achieve the promises that they made to the electorate" then maybe the Tory Party needs a new methodology for choosing those who sit in high-office, perhaps one that tests competency, and perhaps they need to re-diversify their party political gene-pool away from chinless wonder, never had a real job, Eton twonks? In fact I think ALL MPs should have to held a real word job BEFORE being eligible to stand as an MP. The whole system is awash with PPE Graduates who wouldn't know what real work was if it hit them in the face. All The Best The Tories are woefully out of touch, they seem determined to stay that way for now. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:41:23 GMT
Truss failedto implement her own policies . Are you saying they were not right wing ? No one said that the Tories were not incompetent. In fact I’ve said the opposite . Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion. Truss implemented her policies and they failed. I agree being competent is the prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion, that's why I don't think moving more to the right or left will save a failing left or right wing government. They would if they were a viable option to a failing government. The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:49:45 GMT
Truss implemented her policies and they failed. I agree being competent is the prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion, that's why I don't think moving more to the right or left will save a failing left or right wing government. They would if they were a viable option to a failing government. The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . Which right wing policies the Tories promised but failed to implement caused caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:51:45 GMT
They would if they were a viable option to a failing government. The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . Which right wing policies the Tories promised but failed to implement caused caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? I’ve already said “ Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion.“ Do you want me to post it again ? Do you not think Trusses failed policies were right wing? ( Ive posted this before too). |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 19:52:48 GMT
Which right wing policies the Tories promised but failed to implement caused caused Truss' disastrous mini budget, partygate, the cost of living crisis, crumbling (literally in some cases) schools and NHS and Tory corruption? I’ve already said “ Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion.“ Do you want me to post it again ? So you agree it was incompetence not not being right wing enough that cost them? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:53:36 GMT
I’ve already said “ Being competent is a prerequisite of a successful government of any persuasion.“ Do you want me to post it again ? So you agree it was incompetence not not being right wing enough that cost them? Do you not think Trusses failed policies were right wing? ( Ive posted this before too). Posted for a second time ..”The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 20:02:45 GMT
So you agree it was incompetence not not being right wing enough that cost them? Do you not think Trusses failed policies were right wing? ( Ive posted this before too). Posted for a second time ..”The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . Yes I think Truss' policies were right wing, she implemented them and they failed. Do you think Truss' policies were not right wing enough? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 20:06:25 GMT
Do you not think Trusses failed policies were right wing? ( Ive posted this before too). Posted for a second time ..”The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised .Hence the view that the government was not right wing enough . Yes I think Truss' policies were right wing, she implemented them and they failed. Do you think Truss' policies were not right wing enough? What part of “The last government May have failed at least partly due to their inability or reluctance to achieve the right wing policies that it promised” suggests that I do? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 21:09:56 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum. No, I'm saying a more right version of incompetence is still incompetence. Call it the incompetence wing then. |
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