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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:08:45 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 25, 2024 18:13:21 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum. Except not in this case: Truss's politics and economics views ARE firmly rooted in the "fucking incompetent" part of the Political Spectrum. Much like most of what Corbyn stands for. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:16:40 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum. Except not in this case: Truss's politics and economics views ARE firmly rooted in the "fucking incompetent" part of the Political Spectrum. Much like most of what Corbyn stands for. All The Best Arguably but Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative . The Tories promised a centre right UK and didn’t deliver it. Not in any way shape or form …just rhetoric .
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 18:23:18 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum. No, I'm saying a more right version of incompetence is still incompetence.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:24:46 GMT
You seem to be confusing incompetence with political spectrum. No, I'm saying a more right version of incompetence is still incompetence. Who has said otherwise ? You seem to be arguing with yourself .
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 18:27:09 GMT
No, I'm saying a more right version of incompetence is still incompetence. Who has said otherwise ? You seem to be arguing with yourself . So you agree that simply shifting to the right wouldn't have won them the last, or next election?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 18:31:41 GMT
Except not in this case: Truss's politics and economics views ARE firmly rooted in the "fucking incompetent" part of the Political Spectrum. Much like most of what Corbyn stands for. All The Best Arguably but Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative . The Tories promised a centre right UK and didn’t deliver it. Not in any way shape or form …just rhetoric . Didn't all of the so far declared candidates for next Tory leader publicly support Truss?
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:32:10 GMT
Who has said otherwise ? You seem to be arguing with yourself . So you agree that simply shifting to the right wouldn't have won them the last, or next election? No. They would need to achieve the things they set out to . The previous government has plenty of right wing rhetoric but failed to achieve what the rhetoric promised. Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves .
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:32:54 GMT
Arguably but Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative . The Tories promised a centre right UK and didn’t deliver it. Not in any way shape or form …just rhetoric . Didn't all of the so far declared candidates for next Tory leader publicly support Truss? None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 18:50:54 GMT
So you agree that simply shifting to the right wouldn't have won them the last, or next election? No. They would need to achieve the things they set out to . The previous government has plenty of right wing rhetoric but failed to achieve what the rhetoric promised. Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves . But as you said competence and political spectrum are two different things. Liz Truss' disastrous mini budget was due to incompetence, that wasn't a failure to deliver on right wing rhetoric. Neither was party gate, or crumbling public schools and NHS or the cost of living crisis. What right wing policies could they have delivered that would have persuaded enough of the electorate to forget about all of the above?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 25, 2024 18:52:10 GMT
Didn't all of the so far declared candidates for next Tory leader publicly support Truss? None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to. I never said it did, I'm making the point that all of the so far declared candidates are tainted with past failure which a lot of voters are still paying for.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 25, 2024 18:57:24 GMT
Except not in this case: Truss's politics and economics views ARE firmly rooted in the "fucking incompetent" part of the Political Spectrum. Much like most of what Corbyn stands for. All The Best Arguably but Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative . The Tories promised a centre right UK and didn’t deliver it. Not in any way shape or form …just rhetoric . Ever asked yourself why they didn't deliver that "centre right" policy set? I mean Starmer just romped to victory with a centre-right policy set. Maybe, just maybe, trying to pander to the much further right loons in the fringe of the party was what prevented Tory Central delivering a centre-right policy set that could have seen them re-elected. Or maybe the country felt that after 14 Years of Tory rule and pretty much no one at all, outside of the top 5%, feeling any better off it was long past time for a change. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:58:11 GMT
No. They would need to achieve the things they set out to . The previous government has plenty of right wing rhetoric but failed to achieve what the rhetoric promised. Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves . But as you said competence and political spectrum are two different things. Liz Truss' disastrous mini budget was due to incompetence, that wasn't a failure to deliver on right wing rhetoric. Neither was party gate, or crumbling public schools and NHS or the cost of living crisis. What right wing policies could they have delivered that would have persuaded enough of the electorate to forget about all of the above? They tend to converge when a government promises right wing policies and fails to achieve them . Hence they were deemed as being more left wing than they portrayed themselves . So you admit that it was not that Truss was too right wing . It was her failure to deliver right wing policies ? Reducing migration , tackling the spread of woke in society, law and order etc . As I said , it was the failure to achieve the rhetoric. Party gate was just Beergate with fines .
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 18:58:40 GMT
None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to. I never said it did, I'm making the point that all of the so far declared candidates are tainted with past failure which a lot of voters are still paying for. And I’m making the point that None of what you posted refutes the post you replied to.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2024 19:03:24 GMT
Arguably but Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative . The Tories promised a centre right UK and didn’t deliver it. Not in any way shape or form …just rhetoric . Ever asked yourself why they didn't deliver that "centre right" policy set? I mean Starmer just romped to victory with a centre-right policy set. Maybe, just maybe, trying to pander to the much further right loons in the fringe of the party was what prevented Tory Central delivering a centre-right policy set that could have seen them re-elected. Or maybe the country felt that after 14 Years of Tory rule and pretty much no one at all, outside of the top 5%, feeling any better off it was long past time for a change. All The Best Ever asked yourself whether Truss wasn’t the whole of the narrative ? Or maybe , just maybe that a Starmer ‘ romped home’ because the Tories failed to achieve any of the right wing rhetoric that it promised ? Or maybe the Tories were led by politicians that had no idea how to achieve the promises that they made to the electorate? Have you ever asked yourself that? See I can do that .🙄
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