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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 13, 2024 7:24:59 GMT
I think where some fans part company with Southgate is about his insinuation of identity politics into football. You know, taking the knee, rainbow armbands, 'speaking out' about human rights concerns and the subject that may not be mentioned here, etc. I'm not saying that he dreamt up all these by himself, but he has been been a willing accomplice in implementing government and FA policies in such areas.
To pretend that English football has not become politicised, to an extent unknown in most other countries, is to ignore the obvious in pursuit of a fantasy entertainment that no longer exists.
As for Buccie's point about football that football is simply a sport and a means of escape from the daily grind, it ceased to be just that quite a while ago. It is now, in England at least, an integral part of the operational apparatus of the Multicultural State as well as a function of global capitalism. The days when it was the weekly release of the working man from his daily drudgery are now long gone.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 13, 2024 8:56:00 GMT
I think where some fans part company with Southgate is about his insinuation of identity politics into football. You know, taking the knee, rainbow armbands, 'speaking out' about human rights concerns and the subject that may not be mentioned here, etc. I'm not saying that he dreamt up all these by himself, but he has been been a willing accomplice in implementing government and FA policies in such areas. To pretend that English football has not become politicised, to an extent unknown in most other countries, is to ignore the obvious in pursuit of a fantasy entertainment that no longer exists. As for Buccie's point about football that football is simply a sport and a means of escape from the daily grind, it ceased to be just that quite a while ago. It is now, in England at least, an integral part of the operational apparatus of the Multicultural State as well as a function of global capitalism. The days when it was the weekly release of the working man from his daily drudgery are now long gone. The beautiful game Rain sodden muddy pitches Before money took over With ridiculous riches Working class folk Stood on terrace and banks A local lads dream Was to come through the ranks Jumpers for goalposts You'd hear next goal wins Goalie when needed And it seriously begins The maverick players Always played with a smile No diving for penalties It just wasn't the style Every Sunday in the park Purely grass roots Socks round the ankles Dubbin on the boots The famous magic sponge Sliced orange at half time To try and con the ref Was still considered a crime Before VAR When we could celebrate a goal Before the beautiful game Had sold its soul Kits were one to eleven The cup final was the dream We weren't glory hunters We followed our local team Now we sit in luxury In stadia fit for a king But we are told when to stand And which songs we should sing The champions league is fine With all the glamour and glitz But i'd prefer a pie and pint Not afternoon tea at the ritz Am I wearing rose tinted glasses A dinosaur in all but name I simply yearn for the good old days When it was still the beautiful game ©Danny Fenn the boleyn poet© |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2024 9:06:55 GMT
I think where some fans part company with Southgate is about his insinuation of identity politics into football. You know, taking the knee, rainbow armbands, 'speaking out' about human rights concerns and the subject that may not be mentioned here, etc. I'm not saying that he dreamt up all these by himself, but he has been been a willing accomplice in implementing government and FA policies in such areas. To pretend that English football has not become politicised, to an extent unknown in most other countries, is to ignore the obvious in pursuit of a fantasy entertainment that no longer exists. As for Buccie's point about football that football is simply a sport and a means of escape from the daily grind, it ceased to be just that quite a while ago. It is now, in England at least, an integral part of the operational apparatus of the Multicultural State as well as a function of global capitalism. The days when it was the weekly release of the working man from his daily drudgery are now long gone. It is not just that. The injection of money into the game means that success is everything and playing well is desirable but secondary. The cynical professional fouls enacted as opponents make breakthroughs have made even Willie Young's antics seem tame. Grabbing opponents and in one Spanish case effectively rugby tackling. There are many tackles that are borderline deliberate or a bit strong but the obvious deliberate foul is robbing fans of exciting football, the dashing winger is chopped down and the midfielder breakthrough is pushed off the ball. Stopping a goal is paramount but professional fouls should be dealt with anywhere with a sending off and possibly a several match ban. The penalty area is a no holds barred shirt pulling, pushing and shoving lottery where fouls are obvious to all and are ignored. Sponsors, politics and the world wide popularity have created a dreary, angry, bitter game that does not deserve its place as an 'entertainment'. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 13, 2024 9:22:17 GMT
 LS Lowry, Going to the MatchBurnden Park, Bolton. Been there many, many times. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 21:21:50 GMT
Well done Spain, it was a close game, they were luckier, both teams played well, but Spain won. A win is a win.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 15, 2024 5:41:46 GMT
I think where some fans part company with Southgate is about his insinuation of identity politics into football. You know, taking the knee, rainbow armbands, 'speaking out' about human rights concerns and the subject that may not be mentioned here, etc. I'm not saying that he dreamt up all these by himself, but he has been been a willing accomplice in implementing government and FA policies in such areas. To pretend that English football has not become politicised, to an extent unknown in most other countries, is to ignore the obvious in pursuit of a fantasy entertainment that no longer exists. As for Buccie's point about football that football is simply a sport and a means of escape from the daily grind, it ceased to be just that quite a while ago. It is now, in England at least, an integral part of the operational apparatus of the Multicultural State as well as a function of global capitalism. The days when it was the weekly release of the working man from his daily drudgery are now long gone. The beautiful game Rain sodden muddy pitches Before money took over With ridiculous riches Working class folk Stood on terrace and banks A local lads dream Was to come through the ranks Jumpers for goalposts You'd hear next goal wins Goalie when needed And it seriously begins The maverick players Always played with a smile No diving for penalties It just wasn't the style Every Sunday in the park Purely grass roots Socks round the ankles Dubbin on the boots The famous magic sponge Sliced orange at half time To try and con the ref Was still considered a crime Before VAR When we could celebrate a goal Before the beautiful game Had sold its soul Kits were one to eleven The cup final was the dream We weren't glory hunters We followed our local team Now we sit in luxury In stadia fit for a king But we are told when to stand And which songs we should sing The champions league is fine With all the glamour and glitz But i'd prefer a pie and pint Not afternoon tea at the ritz Am I wearing rose tinted glasses A dinosaur in all but name I simply yearn for the good old days When it was still the beautiful game ©Danny Fenn the boleyn poet© That was lost a long long time ago,Dan though started a thread not so long ago about a scruffy billionaire who pays no tax in to this country buying in to his club of choice and what a wonderful thing that is. When I pointed out to him his club and others and their greed had brought the game to where it is today he said I was trolling him. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 15, 2024 6:03:05 GMT
Well done Spain, it was a close game, they were luckier, both teams played well, but Spain won. A win is a win eh? Are you seriously suggesting England were unlucky? I posted this elsewhere to another delusional Englishman who appeared to watch a different game to the rest of Europe. Anyone who is a football fan , and is honest, would not suggest in any way shape or form England were unlucky to lose that final. They got absolutely battered by Spain for 70 minutes. If Spain had a world class striker (morata isnt bad) it would have been three or four nil. Spain had two thirds possession , double the shots what the English had , 10 corners to Englands two , and wave after wave of Spanish attack with desperate defending from outclassed English .The whole England team spent much of the first 70 minutes behind the ball desperately defending Englands goal. The greatest player ever in the world, Jude Bellingham , who is better than Messi , pele , maradonna and Ronaldo , was missing in the showcase final. Good at scoring goals against balkan pub teams. Useless against better opposition. Foden was bang average , without guardiolas guiding hand and foreign mercenaries in the Man City team around him . How harry Kane started that game is a mystery only Gareth Southgate can explain , never mind last three quarters of the match without being subbed. Thats the difference between great managers like Mourinho , Ferguson , stein etc etc , and woke clowns like Southgate. Tactically inept out of his depth. Sends the team out not to lose a goal , but with no clue how to win the game. Then panics and throws someone on , reacting instead of being pro active at the start . The boy palmer looked good when he came on. Scored a good goal , got England playing for five minutes or so , took Englands one and only decent set piece , but all too little too late . For the final 15 minutes , business as usual , Spain on the attack , then they saw out the final 4 minutes of stoppage time. All that money spent by the English FA bribing UEFA for an easy route to the final , backhander to dodgy referees for penalties , and still they couldnt win it. The question is is Gareth Southgate the biggest loser in world football?  |
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Post by thomas on Jul 15, 2024 6:05:59 GMT
LS Lowry, Going to the MatchBurnden Park, Bolton. Been there many, many times.  |
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Post by thomas on Jul 15, 2024 6:29:36 GMT
I think where some fans part company with Southgate is about his insinuation of identity politics into football. You know, taking the knee, rainbow armbands, 'speaking out' about human rights concerns and the subject that may not be mentioned here, etc. I'm not saying that he dreamt up all these by himself, but he has been been a willing accomplice in implementing government and FA policies in such areas. To pretend that English football has not become politicised, to an extent unknown in most other countries, is to ignore the obvious in pursuit of a fantasy entertainment that no longer exists. As for Buccie's point about football that football is simply a sport and a means of escape from the daily grind, it ceased to be just that quite a while ago. It is now, in England at least, an integral part of the operational apparatus of the Multicultural State as well as a function of global capitalism. The days when it was the weekly release of the working man from his daily drudgery are now long gone. The beautiful game Rain sodden muddy pitches Before money took over With ridiculous riches oh bless Buckie , ............wee poems...............   |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 15, 2024 6:57:05 GMT
The charge against Southgate is that he should have done better with the talent he had at his disposal - and I think that charge is valid. As a manager he chose the wrong teams, played people in the wrong positions and never managed to make the team play as a unit. It's a bit hard on Southgate, possibly, but the FA needs to sack him. In fact it should have done this years ago.
The other charge, as DD says, is that he has politicised football. David Olusoga gave an interview with the Today program a few days ago in praise of Southgate that was incredible for the amount of political gobble-de-gook that he came out with. I can't find a transcript but he was saying that Southgate had forged a "new English identity". The word "firmament" came into it at some point IIRC. It was a cast-iron entry to Pseud's Corner if I could find it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2024 7:43:48 GMT
Their darkies were better than our darkies, and we had many more of them. More, in fact on the field at the final whistle than at the kick-off. As for the FA sacking Southgate, they'll never do that. He's their boy and a willing collaborator and co-conspirator and accomplice in the ongoing mission of politicising football, a project the FA calls 'Football for All'. One that is unique in European football: Football For EveryoneFootball for Everyone is about making sure everyone has a chance to be involved in football, regardless of age, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation, marital status, race, nationality, ethnic origin, colour, religion or belief, ability or disability. It is also about: encouraging and increasing the involvement of groups at all levels of football by recognising that inequalities exist and taking action to address them. making opportunities available where currently there are few available. about using the power of football to build a better future, in order to achieve these objectives. Football For Everyone has become a part of everything we do at The FA. If you wish to report an incident of abuse and/or discrimination, please use the contact details below:
And who cannot forget Southgates risible 'Dear England' letter in which he sets out his philosophy and objectives for England's football team:
"...Our players are role models. And, beyond the confines of the pitch, we must recognise the impact they can have on society. We must give them the confidence to stand up for their teammates and the things that matter to them as people.
I have never believed that we should just stick to football.
I know my voice carries weight, not because of who I am but because of the position that I hold. At home, I’m below the kids and the dogs in the pecking order but publicly I am the England men’s football team manager. I have a responsibility to the wider community to use my voice, and so do the players.
It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate."
Nothing more need be said.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2024 7:47:57 GMT
The charge against Southgate is that he should have done better with the talent he had at his disposal - and I think that charge is valid. As a manager he chose the wrong teams, played people in the wrong positions and never managed to make the team play as a unit. It's a bit hard on Southgate, possibly, but the FA needs to sack him. In fact it should have done this years ago. The other charge, as DD says, is that he has politicised football. David Olusoga gave an interview with the Today program a few days ago in praise of Southgate that was incredible for the amount of political gobble-de-gook that he came out with. I can't find a transcript but he was saying that Southgate had forged a "new English identity". The word "firmament" came into it at some point IIRC. It was a cast-iron entry to Pseud's Corner if I could find it. That sounds like typical Olusoga, making out English is not what it is and praising it being forced to become something else. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jul 15, 2024 10:00:08 GMT
Thank God it's over. Now normal TV schedules will be resumed.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 15, 2024 10:32:44 GMT
Dan Dare
The top level of the English F.A has been compiled so completely by those soaked in Wokeism and fanatical in their adherence to it, that our Football Association should be thought of as the sporting wing of Antifa (not to be confused with Fifa). Should a replacement for Southgate be required, you first of all consult Southgate himself and go about finding the nearest thing to a Southgate clone that you can identify ....... think of it in Party political terms as replacing Sunak with Tugendhat or Cleverly for instance. You can change the leader, but not the policies.
My Prediction is that Southgate will step down, be given a life Peerage by Starmer and elevated to the House of Lords. And will already be lined up to be Labour's new Foreign Secretary once DEI appointment Lammy needs to be relieved of his duties.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2024 11:30:34 GMT
Their darkies were better than our darkies, and we had many more of them. Didn't read the rest of your shit. Pretty disgusted. |
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