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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 17, 2024 7:43:59 GMT
I think it's more likely that the problem Southgate had was that he simply had too many players to choose from.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2024 7:49:49 GMT
Teams whose successes are off the backs of imports. Still the best teams in the Premiership and Europe. One could say without the base English players the 'imports' would not be successful. To be clear I think the importation of large numbers of foreign players is bad for the game in many ways but one cannot say the English team lacks a pool of talent playing at the highest level to draw from. English players are foreign players in other leagues as well at least two of the regular teams play abroad and Kane is going is he not. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jul 17, 2024 8:03:22 GMT
I'm waiting for the real football to start. women's euro qualification game on itv1 now. Yep just when you thought it was sfe to turn on the telly again. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jul 17, 2024 8:04:41 GMT
"Darkies" not heard that term for a long while. Is it acceptable nowadays? Nope. Why? Have you tried asking one? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 17, 2024 8:15:38 GMT
Andrew reserves the right to take offence on anyone else's behalf irrespective of whether they would do so themself.
It's part of the SJW credo to which all committed proggies adhere.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jul 17, 2024 10:03:40 GMT
Andrew reserves the right to take offence on anyone else's behalf irrespective of whether they would do so themself. It's part of the SJW credo to which all committed proggies adhere. The internet is littered with people who have nothing better to do than look for something to be offended by. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 17, 2024 10:22:41 GMT
England recruit from the Premiership, a league dominated by imported talent, there isn't enough locally trained talent to select from. The top tier need to train more locals. Southgate did ok with what's available. I dont think that holds up - there wasn't a player in the England team who is not among the best in Europe in their respective positions. It's not the quality of the players that is an issue it is the tactics. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2024 10:34:21 GMT
I think it's more likely that the problem Southgate had was that he simply had too many players to choose from. But in that situation you go on statistics. You pick the most likely to succeed based on past performance. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 17, 2024 11:44:22 GMT
Vinny You're only as good as your next game !  |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jul 17, 2024 17:56:19 GMT
Teams whose successes are off the backs of imports. And foreign clubs import our talent to play for them so your point is? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 17, 2024 18:09:35 GMT
As has been demonstrated by England for decades, we have some talent, but not enough.
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Post by Paulus de B on Jul 19, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
I dont think that holds up - there wasn't a player in the England team who is not among the best in Europe in their respective positions. It's not the quality of the players that is an issue it is the tactics. England's team were the most expensive in terms of their transfer values. www.statista.com/statistics/1472621/euro-2024-squad-values/#:~:text=England's%20squad%20had%20the%20highest,worth%20around%2078.1%20million%20euros. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 23, 2024 5:57:34 GMT
I dont think that holds up - there wasn't a player in the England team who is not among the best in Europe in their respective positions. It's not the quality of the players that is an issue it is the tactics. England's team were the most expensive in terms of their transfer values. www.statista.com/statistics/1472621/euro-2024-squad-values/#:~:text=England's%20squad%20had%20the%20highest,worth%20around%2078.1%20million%20euros. I remember a BBC Horizon program on climate change - many years ago before the BBC had decided that the science was all settled. A mathematician was discussing the difficulties of modelling a system that was dependent on so many factors and where some factors are interdependent. He was a big football supporter and he likened it to trying to work out which team would be most successful. So he listed out all the factors that are involved, like the manager, what formation they used, how much money the owners had etc etc. He then tried to model this mathematically. To cut a long story short he came to the conclusion that the most important factor by far was the wage bill of the club's players. Simple as that. That's why Manchester City seem to win the Premier League so often - they're the most highly paid. I can't remember if he looked at transfer values (probably) but I imagine that what players are paid is related pretty closely to their transfer value for obvious reasons. So I'd say this backs up the argument that Southgate is underachieving with the team he's got. |
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