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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 14:30:35 GMT
You are focussing only on the very small bad bits. Most of London is bland and normal like human beings everywhere. So you can wave away the bad bits at will, I think not. As they create an overall picture. Sorry. I forgot I'd written "You can wave away all the bad bits" My feeling is that it is you who are waving away the huge majority of good bits as you failed to mention them at all. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 14:58:03 GMT
You seem to be unaware of the particular ethnic and sectarian problems that have blighted the West of Scotland for centuries bringing other groups into teh mix has not helped as all work on an attack is the best form of defence principle. Would you say immigration has increased in glascow in the last 2 yrs ? In Scotland yes, my wife is one. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 14:59:57 GMT
It may well be a factor, I am not denying it but if one ethnic group is unsettled because in the main they are economically less well off that is the result of immigration. Ethnic differences create reasons to be angry, rightly or wrongly, that is just a fact for all groups and increasing the numbers of those differences and the numbers of each group will obviously create more unrest. You can do better than that. That is an un-investigated guess to try and bring it back to immigration. So. Why is being an immigrant a pretext to being economically excluded? Further, what has unrest got to do with criminality. Criminality in this country is driven primarily by the drugs trade. The drugs trade drags the poor into crime, it does not care about ethnicity. The drugs customers are predominantly those with funds. Look at the money and you find your answers. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 15:05:37 GMT
It may well be a factor, I am not denying it but if one ethnic group is unsettled because in the main they are economically less well off that is the result of immigration. Ethnic differences create reasons to be angry, rightly or wrongly, that is just a fact for all groups and increasing the numbers of those differences and the numbers of each group will obviously create more unrest. You can do better than that. That is an un-investigated guess to try and bring it back to immigration. So. Why is being an immigrant a pretext to being economically excluded? Further, what has unrest got to do with criminality. Criminality in this country is driven primarily by the drugs trade. The drugs trade drags the poor into crime, it does not care about ethnicity. The drugs customers are predominantly those with funds. Look at the money and you find your answers. I am not relating anything to anything other than point out that immigration has increased dramatically since 1948. We now have racial and ethnic antipathies (unless you are saying they do not exist) and even if all of that is down to white racism that is still a consequence of immigration. So immigration is a factor, we do not know to what extent economic variables are but if most migrants are economically poor (for whatever reason) then that is also a consequence of immigration. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 16:09:00 GMT
You can do better than that. That is an un-investigated guess to try and bring it back to immigration. So. Why is being an immigrant a pretext to being economically excluded? Further, what has unrest got to do with criminality. Criminality in this country is driven primarily by the drugs trade. The drugs trade drags the poor into crime, it does not care about ethnicity. The drugs customers are predominantly those with funds. Look at the money and you find your answers. I am not relating anything to anything other than point out that immigration has increased dramatically since 1948. We now have racial and ethnic antipathies (unless you are saying they do not exist) and even if all of that is down to white racism that is still a consequence of immigration. So immigration is a factor, we do not know to what extent economic variables are but if most migrants are economically poor (for whatever reason) then that is also a consequence of immigration. You most certainly were. You were relating the number of ethnic minorities in prison directly to immigration. Deliberately missing out the qualifying factor of wealth. You are now trying to say that the number of ethnic persons in prison is due to antagonisms between immigrants and natives. Why then would it only be the immigrants who end up in prison? It has been explained at least 4 times in the past (Every time you raise the immigrants are the cause of our ills spectre) that socioeconomic factors are what drives crime. If you take numbers of white and of colour prisoners based on wealth and achievement you find the balance is near identical. As for this. Its the equivalent of saying date rape is a consequence of women being in night clubs. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2022 16:53:17 GMT
So you can wave away the bad bits at will, I think not. As they create an overall picture. Sorry. I forgot I'd written "You can wave away all the bad bits" My feeling is that it is you who are waving away the huge majority of good bits as you failed to mention them at all. You didn't, you just pretended there weren't any and went about making out things were all fine and hunky dory, which isn't true, I could have said it is a complete shit hole but didn't either. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 16:57:41 GMT
Sorry. I forgot I'd written "You can wave away all the bad bits" My feeling is that it is you who are waving away the huge majority of good bits as you failed to mention them at all. You didn't, you just pretended there weren't any and went about making out things were all fine and hunky dory, which isn't true, I could have said it is a complete shit hole but didn't either. I pretended no such thing. How could I be pretending there were no bad bits while clearly stating you were focusing only on them. My very sentence admits they exist. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 16:58:50 GMT
I am not relating anything to anything other than point out that immigration has increased dramatically since 1948. We now have racial and ethnic antipathies (unless you are saying they do not exist) and even if all of that is down to white racism that is still a consequence of immigration. So immigration is a factor, we do not know to what extent economic variables are but if most migrants are economically poor (for whatever reason) then that is also a consequence of immigration. You most certainly were. You were relating the number of ethnic minorities in prison directly to immigration. Deliberately missing out the qualifying factor of wealth. You are now trying to say that the number of ethnic persons in prison is due to antagonisms between immigrants and natives. Why then would it only be the immigrants who end up in prison? It has been explained at least 4 times in the past (Every time you raise the immigrants are the cause of our ills spectre) that socioeconomic factors are what drives crime. If you take numbers of white and of colour prisoners based on wealth and achievement you find the balance is near identical. As for this. Its the equivalent of saying date rape is a consequence of women being in night clubs. Well think about it carefully in terms of your last analogy. If a problem exists with date rape that is difficult to eradicate in a night club it is rather idiotic to invite more women to come to the club. Knowing that, makes any increase in rape a consequence of inviting more women. I am not saying that it is right it is just basic logic. I have not said immigrants are to blame I am saying large scale immigration is to blame, just as women are not to blame for the increase in rape but the numbers of women is what leads to that increase. The number of immigrants in prison is relative to the number of immigrants coming in. If the socieoeconmic conditions of immigrants is that they are worse off then that as a reality is a direct consequence of immigration. It matters little if it is the white man being in total racist as that is a reality that exists and existed, as those organising immigration well knew before increasing the numbers of immigrants. No matter how you look at it immigration is a major contributing factor for the increase in problems existent in London be that crime, racial disharmony, ethnic unrest. etc. Britain was described as a racist country back in the 70s. Why then did someone think it was a good idea to invite as many people as possible from disparate ethnic backgrounds to come and live here most especially as no one proposed doing that, no one voted for that as a policy and most parties and electorates concurred that it should be strictly controlled. So yes immigration is teh problem and it is not immigranst to blame but those who were more than content to have their way irrespective of what the electorate wanted. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 17:22:38 GMT
You most certainly were. You were relating the number of ethnic minorities in prison directly to immigration. Deliberately missing out the qualifying factor of wealth. You are now trying to say that the number of ethnic persons in prison is due to antagonisms between immigrants and natives. Why then would it only be the immigrants who end up in prison? It has been explained at least 4 times in the past (Every time you raise the immigrants are the cause of our ills spectre) that socioeconomic factors are what drives crime. If you take numbers of white and of colour prisoners based on wealth and achievement you find the balance is near identical. As for this. Its the equivalent of saying date rape is a consequence of women being in night clubs. Well think about it carefully in terms of your last analogy. If a problem exists with date rape that is difficult to eradicate in a night club it is rather idiotic to invite more women to come to the club. Knowing that, makes any increase in rape a consequence of inviting more women. I am not saying that it is right it is just basic logic. I have not said immigrants are to blame I am saying large scale immigration is to blame, just as women are not to blame for the increase in rape but the numbers of women is what leads to that increase. The number of immigrants in prison is relative to the number of immigrants coming in. If the socieoeconmic conditions of immigrants is that they are worse off then that as a reality is a direct consequence of immigration. It matters little if it is the white man being in total racist as that is a reality that exists and existed, as those organising immigration well knew before increasing the numbers of immigrants. No matter how you look at it immigration is a major contributing factor for the increase in problems existent in London be that crime, racial disharmony, ethnic unrest. etc. Britain was described as a racist country back in the 70s. Why then did someone think it was a good idea to invite as many people as possible from disparate ethnic backgrounds to come and live here most especially as no one proposed doing that, no one voted for that as a policy and most parties and electorates concurred that it should be strictly controlled. So yes immigration is teh problem and it is not immigrant to blame but those who were more than content to have their way irrespective of what the electorate wanted. But your solution is wrong. The solution is not to stop women going out or immigrants coming to the UK. It is to stop rapists and racists. If I follow your logic the cause of the deaths in Hiroshima is the people living there when the bomb fell. Please understand these are just nuances, my opinion is that multiculturalism does not work and immigration needs to slow down to almost a stop. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2022 18:01:12 GMT
So 8 pages later and still nobody has tried to give a reason why mass immigration is good for the country..
..funny that.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 18:18:33 GMT
Well think about it carefully in terms of your last analogy. If a problem exists with date rape that is difficult to eradicate in a night club it is rather idiotic to invite more women to come to the club. Knowing that, makes any increase in rape a consequence of inviting more women. I am not saying that it is right it is just basic logic. I have not said immigrants are to blame I am saying large scale immigration is to blame, just as women are not to blame for the increase in rape but the numbers of women is what leads to that increase. The number of immigrants in prison is relative to the number of immigrants coming in. If the socieoeconmic conditions of immigrants is that they are worse off then that as a reality is a direct consequence of immigration. It matters little if it is the white man being in total racist as that is a reality that exists and existed, as those organising immigration well knew before increasing the numbers of immigrants. No matter how you look at it immigration is a major contributing factor for the increase in problems existent in London be that crime, racial disharmony, ethnic unrest. etc. Britain was described as a racist country back in the 70s. Why then did someone think it was a good idea to invite as many people as possible from disparate ethnic backgrounds to come and live here most especially as no one proposed doing that, no one voted for that as a policy and most parties and electorates concurred that it should be strictly controlled. So yes immigration is teh problem and it is not immigrant to blame but those who were more than content to have their way irrespective of what the electorate wanted. But your solution is wrong. The solution is not to stop women going out or immigrants coming to the UK. It is to stop rapists and racists. If I follow your logic the cause of the deaths in Hiroshima is the people living there when the bomb fell. Please understand these are just nuances, my opinion is that multiculturalism does not work and immigration needs to slow down to almost a stop. I am not offering a solution I am stating a situation. Think about it this way if you have a leaky dam is it better to fix the dam before you put in lots of water or is it best to fill the dam then patch the leaks as you go along. The problem is that if we have a problem with racism, social cohesion, ethnic unrest why increase immigration and increase the problem which you are trying to fix most especialyl as that very problem was recognised back in the 50s. Compounding the problem by bringing in ethnicities that hate each other is beyond belief. It is idiocy and in fact so idiotic that one has to assume that it is deliberate. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 4, 2022 18:41:28 GMT
Would you say immigration has increased in glascow in the last 2 yrs ? In Scotland yes, my wife is one. Must be why knife crime in scotland is a 40yr low in the past 2 yrs |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 4, 2022 18:46:57 GMT
So 8 pages later and still nobody has tried to give a reason why mass immigration is good for the country.. ..funny that. I will Imagrants pay more in tax then The British citizens. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2022 18:53:26 GMT
So 8 pages later and still nobody has tried to give a reason why mass immigration is good for the country.. ..funny that. I will Imagrants pay more in tax then The British citizens. no they dont - some specific groups of migrants might pay more tax over a specific timescale but overall it makes very little difference. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 19:29:11 GMT
So 8 pages later and still nobody has tried to give a reason why mass immigration is good for the country.. ..funny that. It pays the taxes you wont  |
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