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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 9:42:35 GMT
Well just observing the figures as regards foreign born nationals in UK prisons, or the ethnicity of those in UK prisons. Now I know all the arguments as regards institutional racism in the Judiciary and police etc etc and I am not judging on that basis but if immigration was low level then these major apparent problems would not have arisen. So whether high levels of immigrant offence is the fault of immigrants, or the fault of racist police and judges, or a mix of each in any varying quantity if we did not have large scale immigration the problem would not have occurred in anything like the proportions we have. It was also evident in the 2011 riots that groups tended to coalesce together to protect their own and their neighbourhoods and in the main the rioters were not white people. Again even if the reason for that is white racism then if we did not have large scale immigration that would not be a problem. So blaming immigration is not blaming immigrants, it is blaming those who think lots of different peoples will always live in peace and harmony and that diversity is a wonderful happy clappy start to Utopia. In 2013 and 2020 Glasgow was dubbed has the homicide capital of Europe why was that . is that down to immigration ? You seem to be unaware of the particular ethnic and sectarian problems that have blighted the West of Scotland for centuries bringing other groups into teh mix has not helped as all work on an attack is the best form of defence principle. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 4, 2022 9:43:00 GMT
In 2013 and 2020 Glasgow was dubbed has the homicide capital of Europe why was that . is that down to immigration ? Probably down to drugs supplied by immigrants. Well It seems to be due to Alcohol |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 4, 2022 9:46:03 GMT
In 2013 and 2020 Glasgow was dubbed has the homicide capital of Europe why was that . is that down to immigration ? You seem to be unaware of the particular ethnic and sectarian problems that have blighted the West of Scotland for centuries bringing other groups into teh mix has not helped as all work on an attack is the best form of defence principle. Would you say immigration has increased in glascow in the last 2 yrs ? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 4, 2022 9:46:30 GMT
Probably down to drugs supplied by immigrants. Well It seems to be due to Alcohol It's mainly due to Scotland having increrased its shithole areas. I have friends who moved to Scotland years ago. The regret the move due to the shitholes and the main ambition is to get on to benefits. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 4, 2022 9:53:42 GMT
You seem to be unaware of the particular ethnic and sectarian problems that have blighted the West of Scotland for centuries bringing other groups into teh mix has not helped as all work on an attack is the best form of defence principle. Would you say immigration has increased in glascow in the last 2 yrs ? Scotland needs immigration, it has always needed immigration to replace the exodus of Scots over centuries. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 9:59:35 GMT
I think you need to look at economic circumstances. if you do you will find this is the deciding factor in crime rather than nationality. It may well be a factor, I am not denying it but if one ethnic group is unsettled because in the main they are economically less well off that is the result of immigration. Ethnic differences create reasons to be angry, rightly or wrongly, that is just a fact for all groups and increasing the numbers of those differences and the numbers of each group will obviously create more unrest. You can do better than that. That is an un-investigated guess to try and bring it back to immigration. So. Why is being an immigrant a pretext to being economically excluded? Further, what has unrest got to do with criminality. Criminality in this country is driven primarily by the drugs trade. The drugs trade drags the poor into crime, it does not care about ethnicity. The drugs customers are predominantly those with funds. Look at the money and you find your answers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2022 10:30:40 GMT
But that was not the question - has mass immigration improved London? Unless you are trying to claim that mass immigration has driven crime down... How can anyone answer that without eliminating a thousand other factors. What is sickening here is that you single out immigration for your question. Two questions: 1, Do you think London is worse today than 5 years ago. 2, What do you think are the prime causes. So answer the simple question - has mass immigration improved London - a simple yes or no from you is all that is required. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 10:40:44 GMT
How can anyone answer that without eliminating a thousand other factors. What is sickening here is that you single out immigration for your question. Two questions: 1, Do you think London is worse today than 5 years ago. 2, What do you think are the prime causes. So answer the simple question - has mass immigration improved London - a simple yes or no from you is all that is required. That problem with the question is its simple. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2022 10:41:38 GMT
How can anyone answer that without eliminating a thousand other factors. What is sickening here is that you single out immigration for your question. Two questions: 1, Do you think London is worse today than 5 years ago. 2, What do you think are the prime causes. So answer the simple question - has mass immigration improved London - a simple yes or no from you is all that is required. Honest answer, no it hasn't but then as somebody once said they should have a built a wall around the place decades ago and the rest of the country would be a better place for it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2022 10:44:43 GMT
So answer the simple question - has mass immigration improved London - a simple yes or no from you is all that is required. That problem with the question is its simple. Why? - it's only a yes or no answer that is required yet for some, unknown (  ), reason you are unwilling to say. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 10:50:29 GMT
So answer the simple question - has mass immigration improved London - a simple yes or no from you is all that is required. Honest answer, no it hasn't but then as somebody once said they should have a built a wall around the place decades ago and the rest of the country would be a better place for it. I have friends in London who would disagree. They might argue that such a wall might keep some of the wealth they earned within the group who earnt it. Now I hate London, to loud and busy, but them I'm a country boy. But I know people who feel the same about the countryside. "Does nothing work outside London?" |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2022 10:53:47 GMT
Honest answer, no it hasn't but then as somebody once said they should have a built a wall around the place decades ago and the rest of the country would be a better place for it. I have friends in London who would disagree. They might argue that such a wall might keep some of the wealth they earned within the group who earnt it. Now I hate London, to loud and busy, but them I'm a country boy. But I know people who feel the same about the countryside. "Does nothing work outside London?" Personally I go by the rate they try to fix it, which never seems to fix anything but for maybe a very few while the rest are left desperately trying to catch up to the blatant madness. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 11:21:23 GMT
I have friends in London who would disagree. They might argue that such a wall might keep some of the wealth they earned within the group who earnt it. Now I hate London, to loud and busy, but them I'm a country boy. But I know people who feel the same about the countryside. "Does nothing work outside London?" Personally I go by the rate they try to fix it, which never seems to fix anything but for maybe a very few while the rest are left desperately trying to catch up to the blatant madness. You are focussing only on the very small bad bits. Most of London is bland and normal like human beings everywhere. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2022 11:24:54 GMT
Personally I go by the rate they try to fix it, which never seems to fix anything but for maybe a very few while the rest are left desperately trying to catch up to the blatant madness. You are focussing only on the very small bad bits. Most of London is bland and normal like human beings everywhere. So you can wave away the bad bits at will, I think not. As they create an overall picture. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 4, 2022 11:40:49 GMT
Personally I go by the rate they try to fix it, which never seems to fix anything but for maybe a very few while the rest are left desperately trying to catch up to the blatant madness. You are focussing only on the very small bad bits. Most of London is bland and normal like human beings everywhere. The very small bad bits make everyone feel threatened. |
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