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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 19:45:10 GMT
Again, its down to one mans waste is another mans money well spent. Sure, no one wants corruption, but that's not what we're talking of here. The problem is one man's money well spent currently seems to be near enough 20 people thinking it is waste. We are talking overall and corruptions slips in there with no apology. Over on some other threads there are endless cheers how Brexit is becoming less popular and if 58% now want to 'Remain' we are asked why no referendum. Well let just just take one poll as regards immigration. The question is How do you think the government is handling immigration Well or Badly and we have 7% Well and 84% Badly. If we are to take polls as meaning something, and with teh EU polls the cheerleaders say we must to be democratic, well I rest my case. There are more examples if you want them on many issues but realistically immigration is the one that will destroy the main parties. Starmer is trying to change his stance but many think he is just doing a Brown as regards British Jobs etc. My mistake, with all the other conversations on here I thought you were talking about Rainbow crossings etc. If you are talking about immigration I agree 100% the government have lied, manipulated, misinformed and ignored public demand for decades, you know what I think the reason is. I am against more immigration though probably for different reasons to you. When I voted to remain it was because I thought FoM was something we could deal with and really did not believe the idea Farage was selling that it was the EU forcing it upon us. Perhaps a different subject, but if we could re-join the EU without FoM controlled how many people would vote join? |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 30, 2022 21:46:50 GMT
That's a terrible comparison that you should revisit. You'd have to explain why. I think you maqy be able to work it out if you try. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 30, 2022 21:50:44 GMT
Big industry is pushing to maintain immigration and chances are they'll win whoever is in power, they need the donations.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2022 21:54:34 GMT
The problem is one man's money well spent currently seems to be near enough 20 people thinking it is waste. We are talking overall and corruptions slips in there with no apology. Over on some other threads there are endless cheers how Brexit is becoming less popular and if 58% now want to 'Remain' we are asked why no referendum. Well let just just take one poll as regards immigration. The question is How do you think the government is handling immigration Well or Badly and we have 7% Well and 84% Badly. If we are to take polls as meaning something, and with teh EU polls the cheerleaders say we must to be democratic, well I rest my case. There are more examples if you want them on many issues but realistically immigration is the one that will destroy the main parties. Starmer is trying to change his stance but many think he is just doing a Brown as regards British Jobs etc. My mistake, with all the other conversations on here I thought you were talking about Rainbow crossings etc. If you are talking about immigration I agree 100% the government have lied, manipulated, misinformed and ignored public demand for decades, you know what I think the reason is. I am against more immigration though probably for different reasons to you. When I voted to remain it was because I thought FoM was something we could deal with and really did not believe the idea Farage was selling that it was the EU forcing it upon us. Perhaps a different subject, but if we could re-join the EU without FoM controlled how many people would vote join? The polls were an indication of the very strong feelings that the government are ignoring, significantly stronger than teh Brexit polls but lets not go there except to sya that realistically FOM was an integral part of the EU and any derogation from that would only be temporary. However the government are leading us a demographic and societal timebomb path from which no good will come and it is now so noticeable that it can only be a deliberate policy not just to grow the economy. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2022 10:10:27 GMT
FoM has not been a problem for the rest of the EU, only in the UK has it been a festering political sore.
The Blairites original blunder in not imposing transitional controls was compounded by the UK's laisser-faire 'light touch' approach to labour market regulation, its largely non-contributory benefits system and successive governments' reluctance to use the sanctions provided for in the Directives to refuse residence to those who didn't qualify for treaty rights.
This package of pull factors made the UK irresistibly attractive to impoverished people in the ten accession states, not least several hundred thousand unemployable and unassimilable Roma. 'Romanians' have been the fastest growing foreign nationality over the last ten years.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 1, 2022 10:13:29 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2022 15:15:11 GMT
Others have noticed Great Replacement in full swing..
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 1, 2022 15:51:29 GMT
By reducing the number of overseas students  What? The people who pay huge amounts of money to come here and get no UK benefits. Surely he doesn't think that's what people meant when they said they wanted immigration cut. What a bunch of two bit shysters the Tory party have become. It's not necessarily the number of overseas students that concerns me, it's the fact they can bring their family with them, it's mad. There are no end of fake universities and colleges offering visa scams for 'students' and their families to get into the UK and of course once here the human rights act will ensure they are never deported because all of a sudden they are gay, the victims of sex trafficking and just for good measure, from a war-torn country. Here's the keys to your council flat welcome to the UK. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2022 15:54:30 GMT
Yes - this is a massive issue. Over a 100,000 'dependents' of students entered the UK last year, now I don't know about anyone else but when any member of my family went off to University they went by themselves, they did not take the rest of the family with them.
This scam really needs stamping down on.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2022 16:14:51 GMT
Yes - this is a massive issue. Over a 100,000 'dependents' of students entered the UK last year, now I don't know about anyone else but when any member of my family went off to University they went by themselves, they did not take the rest of the family with them. This scam really needs stamping down on. I had no idea it was happening. Tony said he would end chain migration in 2005. "We will ensure that only skilled workers are allowed to settle long-term in the UK, with English language tests for everyone who wants to stay permanently and an end to chain migration" We were indeed taken for mugs |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 3, 2022 22:16:03 GMT
Hands up all those who feel that London has got better in the last 50 years?..  |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 3, 2022 22:24:55 GMT
I think that depends if you live in london
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 22:27:07 GMT
Hands up all those who feel that London has got better in the last 50 years?.. Disgusting. What a horrible thing to say. I hope this gets removed for the blatant racism it is. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 3, 2022 22:27:23 GMT
I think that depends if you live in london why? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 3, 2022 22:28:35 GMT
Hands up all those who feel that London has got better in the last 50 years?.. Disgusting. What a horrible thing to say. I hope this gets removed for the blatant racism it is. Its a simple question - has mass immigration improved London? Why are you reluctant to answer it? |
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