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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 15:36:49 GMT
Ooh, Matron! Have you anything to add to the topic? Just a polite question...
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Post by petenz on Oct 14, 2022 15:59:58 GMT
Have you anything to add to the topic? Just a polite question... [/quote] Here's a polite answer. You have demonstrated that 1. You don't understand the difference between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. 2. You have zero knowledge of farming practices. 3. You resort to insults when shown to be talking out of your fundament. Why on earth should I join in a debate with you?
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 14, 2022 16:39:45 GMT
Would that be a link to Chlorinated Chicken that so much of the world (incl the EU) wants nothing to do with? And you do realise don't you that there is nothing in EU rules prevent an EU located meat supplier producing meat to higher than EU standards don't you? Seems not Nothing wrong with Chlorinated Chicken. But I guess you already know that Salmonella is the most common cause of foodborne outbreaks in the European Union, but fail to aknowledge that fact in your undenying support of your beloved EUSSR. And why doesn't very many of the eu located meat suppliers raise their game. You have that backward. American meat packers are required to bleach their chicken because it has such high levels of salmonella after it has gone through the packing process. EU standards instead insist that salmonella levels are kept to a higher standard through better practice instead. This has the added bonus of increasing welfare standards for the chickens with cleaner environments etc. It's the same thinking which means Americans have to keep their eggs in the fridge but they are on normal shelves in the supermarkets here. EU standards require regular flock testing to ensure eggs are salmonella free whereas the Americans put them in fridges. Same with the levels of rodent faeces and dead insects in products. In the US they regulate to a certain percentage of rat poo in your orange juice. 5mg per litre or whatever. In the EU they regulate to a standard of zero impurities.
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Post by Steve on Oct 14, 2022 16:40:33 GMT
Exactly ^
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 17:34:34 GMT
It doesn't matter what part of the globe chicken is harvested from the fact is that salmonella is present on the dead flesh at the rate of 14% and Chlorination reduces that to 2%. Its nothing to do with the way meat is packed or the way it is handled.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 17:39:54 GMT
Why on earth should I join in a debate with you? [/quote][/div]
Because you kow you couldn't beat me. That's why.....Some of us come already armed and others come with the same old worn out excuses they always use which the rest of us have all heard a thousand times before....And isn't it you that has to stoop to personal insults. I don't require any help with modern farming practices thanks for your kind concern.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 14, 2022 17:41:04 GMT
It doesn't matter what part of the globe chicken is harvested from the fact is that salmonella is present on the dead flesh at the rate of 14% and Chlorination reduces that to 2%. Its nothing to do with the way meat is packed or the way it is handled. In America. Here the levels are kept safe without having to bleach the meat.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 17:44:21 GMT
It doesn't matter what part of the globe chicken is harvested from the fact is that salmonella is present on the dead flesh at the rate of 14% and Chlorination reduces that to 2%. Its nothing to do with the way meat is packed or the way it is handled. In America. Here the levels are kept safe without having to bleach the meat. No they are not. Our chicken is like the rest of the globes.
Dangerous strain of salmonella becoming more common in UK meat.
Despite this..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 17:58:47 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 18:09:30 GMT
What I find strange is the eu banned the clorination of chicken in 1997 but still allow and condone clorination of salads.
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Post by Steve on Oct 14, 2022 19:56:20 GMT
What I find strange is the eu banned the clorination of chicken in 1997 but still allow and condone clorination of salads. In short because lettuce is grown in bug riddled soil The long story here: www.which.co.uk/news/article/chlorine-washed-chicken-vs-chlorine-washed-salad-leaves-whats-the-difference-aMipZ5W3EtGW 'Salad leaves can pick up bacteria such as salmonella, norovirus and E coli from soil.
In bagged salads labelled as pre-washed or ready to eat, the leaves have to be treated to remove the bacteria and ensure they're safe to eat. . . .
The leaves can't be heated or frozen as this would ruin them, which is why they're washed.To minimise bacterial contamination and the risk of food poisoning, farmers in the UK and EU legally have to follow high welfare and production standards throughout the system, as opposed to relying on a single decontamination stage.
This is known as a farm-to-fork approach and includes minimum allowances for space, light and ventilation in chicken housing, giving birds space to move and behave normally.
Chicken houses must also be cleaned thoroughly and the litter replaced between flocks.
But in the US, similar laws or regulations don't exist.'
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Post by colbops on Oct 14, 2022 20:00:09 GMT
What I find strange is the eu banned the clorination of chicken in 1997 but still allow and condone clorination of salads. I find it strange no-one kicks off about chlorinated tap water too.
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Post by Steve on Oct 14, 2022 20:05:38 GMT
The problem is banning chlorination is a non intuitive way of removing salmonella etc from the food chain. But it does seem to work. As for Chlorine in tap water think about how many kidneys (and intestines) that water has passed through before it gets to your tap. That said it makes the water taste foul so I never drink it unfiltered.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2022 20:47:07 GMT
What I find strange is the eu banned the clorination of chicken in 1997 but still allow and condone clorination of salads. In short because lettuce is grown in bug riddled soil The long story here: www.which.co.uk/news/article/chlorine-washed-chicken-vs-chlorine-washed-salad-leaves-whats-the-difference-aMipZ5W3EtGW 'Salad leaves can pick up bacteria such as salmonella, norovirus and E coli from soil.
In bagged salads labelled as pre-washed or ready to eat, the leaves have to be treated to remove the bacteria and ensure they're safe to eat. . . .
The leaves can't be heated or frozen as this would ruin them, which is why they're washed.To minimise bacterial contamination and the risk of food poisoning, farmers in the UK and EU legally have to follow high welfare and production standards throughout the system, as opposed to relying on a single decontamination stage.
This is known as a farm-to-fork approach and includes minimum allowances for space, light and ventilation in chicken housing, giving birds space to move and behave normally.
Chicken houses must also be cleaned thoroughly and the litter replaced between flocks.
But in the US, similar laws or regulations don't exist.'Free range chicken can also pick up bacteria such as salmonella, norovirus and E coli from soil, But we are prepared to pay a premium for that in the UK. And when was the last time our tap water had passed through a human body in our natural resovoirs?
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