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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2024 12:01:37 GMT
That may or may not be the case. The fact remains, a vote for Reform is likely to give Labour a bigger majority than they could otherwise expect. I'll be honest I'd sooner have a rubbish Tory government than a rubbish Labour government. The thought of a pro EU, pro minority, pro woke, pro immigration Labour government is a frightening prospect, and yes I know, that's probably what we are going to get. Lets wait and see what Farage has to say this afternoon. Nah, I want to destroy the Tories. And if the sheeple are dim enough to install a Labour administration then they deserve the buggering they're about to get. My anarchic side will enjoy watching the carnage. Fuck the sheeple. I agree, and if it means punishing the Tories for betraying Tory voters for not sticking to right wing polices and now giving us a choice of picking between three left wing main political parties, they deserve all they get, maybe it's time for a Tory rebranding, 'New Conservatives' with polices that actually reflect a right wing party. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 12:08:10 GMT
I assume you're talking about Reform UK. It's a tough one, I'd like to vote Reform but I cant help thinking that a vote for Reform is essentially a vote for Labour because Reform voters will obviously be disillusioned Tory voters not Labour voters. My heart says Reform, but for all their faults, my head says Tory. Most of the heavyweights have either defected or are standing down. Tories are nothing more than an illusion of opposition being filled with the same braindrained assimilated youth as the other establishment parties. I say follow your heart if it's trying to tell you something.
Yes I know, disappointing. But after this election I believe the Conservatives will regroup and come back stronger. They know they have to, to have any hope of beating a centrist Labour government the Tories have to move back to the centre right or face electoral oblivion, and they know it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
I doubt it. Given their bovine stupidity I think it more likely they'll move to the left in an attempt to emulate Labour.
They really are that dim.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 12:16:06 GMT
That may or may not be the case. The fact remains, a vote for Reform is likely to give Labour a bigger majority than they could otherwise expect. I'll be honest I'd sooner have a rubbish Tory government than a rubbish Labour government. The thought of a pro EU, pro minority, pro woke, pro immigration Labour government is a frightening prospect, and yes I know, that's probably what we are going to get. Lets wait and see what Farage has to say this afternoon. Nah, I want to destroy the Tories. And if the sheeple are dim enough to install a Labour administration then they deserve the buggering they're about to get. My anarchic side will enjoy watching the carnage. Fuck the sheeple. I understand, believe me I'm pissed off with the Tories, I feel like voting for Reform. But regardless of how I feel I know that effectively a vote for Reform is a vote for Starmer. Regardless of Reform UK realistically the electorate have a choice of Sunak or Starmer. Yes I know, what a choice but the fact is, that's the choice on offer. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2024 12:23:10 GMT
Nah, I want to destroy the Tories. And if the sheeple are dim enough to install a Labour administration then they deserve the buggering they're about to get. My anarchic side will enjoy watching the carnage. Fuck the sheeple. I understand, believe me I'm pissed off with the Tories, I feel like voting for Reform. But regardless of how I feel I know that effectively a vote for Reform is a vote for Starmer. Regardless of Reform UK realistically the electorate have a choice of Sunak or Starmer. Yes I know, what a choice but the fact is, that's the choice on offer. Yes I know and I'm not prepared to support that anymore: I don't care which cheek of the same arse is in power. So I'm voting for "None of the above" and voting Reform is the best way to do that. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 3, 2024 12:25:41 GMT
I understand, believe me I'm pissed off with the Tories, I feel like voting for Reform. But regardless of how I feel I know that effectively a vote for Reform is a vote for Starmer. Regardless of Reform UK realistically the electorate have a choice of Sunak or Starmer. Yes I know, what a choice but the fact is, that's the choice on offer. Yes I know and I'm not prepared to support that anymore: I don't care which cheek of the same arse is in power. So I'm voting for "None of the above" and voting Reform is the best way to do that. If we were still in England that is how we would vote as well, |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 12:30:17 GMT
Lets wait and see what Farage has to say this afternoon.
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Post by om15 on Jun 3, 2024 12:31:07 GMT
It is being rumoured that Sunak is ensuring that all prospective new Conservative candidates are being thoroughly vetted to ensure diversity, equality and full woke compliance, any proper Tory ( Lord Frost for example) is being stopped from standing. So it looks like the 60 or so Conservative MPs after the election will be carefully selected to be absolutely useless, so I doubt that they will come back stronger, there will not be any opposition at all, those that might have made a difference such as Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordant and Sir Jacob Rees Mogg are all due to lose their seats.
The only opposition will be Reform, if Farage does stand and replaces Tice as leader I will vote Reform, not sure what I'll do if he doesn't, I gave the Tories the benefit of the doubt at the last election, not doing that twice.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 3, 2024 12:31:31 GMT
Lets wait and see what Farage has to say this afternoon. There'll be a few voters thinking like yourself. I suspect most will go back to the Tories and the Reform vote will drop. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 3, 2024 12:35:02 GMT
It is being rumoured that Sunak is ensuring that all prospective new Conservative candidates are being thoroughly vetted to ensure diversity, equality and full woke compliance, any proper Tory ( Lord Frost for example) is being stopped from standing. So it looks like the 60 or so Conservative MPs after the election will be carefully selected to be absolutely useless, so I doubt that they will come back stronger, there will not be any opposition at all, those that might have made a difference such as Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordant and Sir Jacob Rees Mogg are all due to lose their seats. The only opposition will be Reform, if Farage does stand and replaces Tice as leader I will vote Reform, not sure what I'll do if he doesn't, I gave the Tories the benefit of the doubt at the last election, not doing that twice. Doesn't it matter who actually retains their seat, rather than who the party select? I predict that the Tories will get more than currently predicted, maybe 150, but if they did only get double figures, you only have a small pool to select your shadow cabinet from. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 3, 2024 12:38:21 GMT
Poor old Starmer doesn't know it yet (or maybe he does) Rayner & Abbott are already plotting his coup... Absolutely, Beer Korma won't manage a full term in office. But hopefully the ensuing bunfight will destroy Labour. Because let's be fair, Abbott and Rayner don't have a brain cell between them. Vote Korma get Corbyn. What possibly could go wrong... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 12:46:29 GMT
It is being rumoured that Sunak is ensuring that all prospective new Conservative candidates are being thoroughly vetted to ensure diversity, equality and full woke compliance, any proper Tory ( Lord Frost for example) is being stopped from standing. So it looks like the 60 or so Conservative MPs after the election will be carefully selected to be absolutely useless, so I doubt that they will come back stronger, there will not be any opposition at all, those that might have made a difference such as Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordant and Sir Jacob Rees Mogg are all due to lose their seats. The only opposition will be Reform, if Farage does stand and replaces Tice as leader I will vote Reform, not sure what I'll do if he doesn't, I gave the Tories the benefit of the doubt at the last election, not doing that twice. I don't doubt what you say, but after the election Sunak will be history and his version of the Conservative party will slowly, over the next couple of years, become a thing of the past. I am absolutely convinced that as soon as the election is over, and sadly Starmer is in number 10, the Tories will start to rebuild a centre right Conservative party. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 3, 2024 12:50:58 GMT
It looks like the Tories are resigned to defeat, and the remaining top bosses are now concentrating on saving as many seats as possible.
This is possibly why they're pushing such things as national service, sex and gender "confusion", migration, all aimed at the grumbles, moans, and concerns of older voters, in the hopes of clawing votes back from those tempted to stay at home or vote Reform.
Meanwhile, most of the electorate are concerned with more immediate problems like the rising cost of living, lack of access to GP and medications, the NHS, rail strikes and travel disruption...
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 3, 2024 13:08:18 GMT
This is under the Tories wait till Labour get in .. Inside the ramshackle Bulgarian neighbourhood lined with luxury cars, casinos and jewellery shops... paid for by the British taxpayer: How £54m benefits scam turned quiet Balkan city into place of huge wealth despite residents living off just £392 a month Their criminal convictions mark what is the largest benefit fraud prosecution and investigation ever brought to the courts in England and Wales.
But Mr Panayotiv believes the convictions barely scratch the service and his investigation suggests the gang was making up to £200 million per year.www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13488447/Inside-ramshackle-Bulgarian-neighbourhoo |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 3, 2024 13:09:34 GMT
Lets wait and see what Farage has to say this afternoon. Much as I like Farage, it will have no bearing on the fact that both Labour and the Tories are currently unelectable. |
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