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Post by witchfinder on Jun 2, 2024 10:15:49 GMT
I am reluctant and hesitant to believe everything which is been said and stated, mainly because it seems too good to be true - to be finaly rid of this failed government.
I accept the point that it may not be such a good thing for democracy if a new government has no effective opposition, but on the other hand, if Labour do in fact sweep to power with a huge majority, then surely Keir Starmer will be very much aware that he will be judged over the next 5 years.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 2, 2024 10:25:09 GMT
The Labour Government will get more opposition from the Socialists in their own ranks than the current parliamentary Tory Party. Anyway - after the election the Tories will be far too preoccupied with their own internal blood letting and civil war to hold anyone else to account. One thing for sure Sunak will not be leader of the Tory party after the GE, and the bizarre thing about it the new leader may have changed the end result if they'd have made the change before the election. I don't think so - the Parliamentary Party simply has too many MP's who would feel more at home in the LibDems or Labour Party than serving under a real conservative leader. There needs to be a real clean out of the Augean stables and a rebuilding from the bottom. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2024 10:35:41 GMT
One thing for sure Sunak will not be leader of the Tory party after the GE, and the bizarre thing about it the new leader may have changed the end result if they'd have made the change before the election. I don't think so - the Parliamentary Party simply has too many MP's who would feel more at home in the LibDems or Labour Party than serving under a real conservative leader. There needs to be a real clean out of the Augean stables and a rebuilding from the bottom. The only person who could take over the Tory party and deliver a right wing party is Nigel Farage, yes I know he is a bit of a slippery character but what politician isn't, there is still a few right wing value Tories left, the problem is the rest of the Tories don't want to be right wing. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 2, 2024 10:56:10 GMT
I am reluctant and hesitant to believe everything which is been said and stated, mainly because it seems too good to be true - to be finaly rid of this failed government. I accept the point that it may not be such a good thing for democracy if a new government has no effective opposition, but on the other hand, if Labour do in fact sweep to power with a huge majority, then surely Keir Starmer will be very much aware that he will be judged over the next 5 years. I have to admit, even as a supporter of many traditional Tory views, that the current government can not be rewarded for the failure it has been. It has come to the point they were so arrogant they were essentially sticking two fingers up at us all. No one other than them and their corrupt business partners have benefitted.
As for Starmer, I really don't have a bloody clue what he will do. I feel there will be a lot of stay at home voters. Reform are forecast zero seats so that won't reform anything. Why would you vote?
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 2, 2024 11:03:04 GMT
Why do people believe that a normal or natural Conservative Party would resemble something along the lines of UKIP, Reform UK or the kind of party that Nigel Farage would turn it into. ?
The Conservative Party was never like that
It is only in very recent years that the Tories have played with "populism", dabbling with culture wars, not helped by some of the soon to be unemployed Red Wall Tory MPs who are more than just a tiny bit xenophobic.
There have been many honourable Conservative Prime Ministers of the old fashioned, traditional kind of Conservative Party, people like MacMillan, Eden, Heath, Major.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 2, 2024 11:10:21 GMT
Why do people believe that a normal or natural Conservative Party would resemble something along the lines of UKIP, Reform UK or the kind of party that Nigel Farage would turn it into. ? The Conservative Party was never like that It is only in very recent years that the Tories have played with "populism", dabbling with culture wars, not helped by some of the soon to be unemployed Red Wall Tory MPs who are more than just a tiny bit xenophobic. There have been many honourable Conservative Prime Ministers of the old fashioned, traditional kind of Conservative Party, people like MacMillan, Eden, Heath, Major. You think Sunak isn't one then? I certainly don't remember in my time any of them being called honourable by Labour either. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 2, 2024 11:37:56 GMT
Why do people believe that a normal or natural Conservative Party would resemble something along the lines of UKIP, Reform UK or the kind of party that Nigel Farage would turn it into. ? The Conservative Party was never like that It is only in very recent years that the Tories have played with "populism", dabbling with culture wars, not helped by some of the soon to be unemployed Red Wall Tory MPs who are more than just a tiny bit xenophobic. There have been many honourable Conservative Prime Ministers of the old fashioned, traditional kind of Conservative Party, people like MacMillan, Eden, Heath, Major. My thoughts exactly, why anyone thinks that adopting the policies of a party that won all of 2 council seats at the last local elections is the key to electoral victory is beyond me. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 2, 2024 15:21:12 GMT
I don't think so - the Parliamentary Party simply has too many MP's who would feel more at home in the LibDems or Labour Party than serving under a real conservative leader. There needs to be a real clean out of the Augean stables and a rebuilding from the bottom. The only person who could take over the Tory party and deliver a right wing party is Nigel Farage, yes I know he is a bit of a slippery character but what politician isn't, there is still a few right wing value Tories left, the problem is the rest of the Tories don't want to be right wing. Apart from him (he has the media visibility) it would have to be Suella , Kemi or David Frost |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 2, 2024 15:22:56 GMT
Why do people believe that a normal or natural Conservative Party would resemble something along the lines of UKIP, Reform UK or the kind of party that Nigel Farage would turn it into. ? The Conservative Party was never like that It is only in very recent years that the Tories have played with "populism", dabbling with culture wars, not helped by some of the soon to be unemployed Red Wall Tory MPs who are more than just a tiny bit xenophobic. There have been many honourable Conservative Prime Ministers of the old fashioned, traditional kind of Conservative Party, people like MacMillan, Eden, Heath, Major. My thoughts exactly, why anyone thinks that adopting the policies of a party that won all of 2 council seats at the last local elections is the key to electoral victory is beyond me. Well implementing liberal progressive policies has not exactly worked out well for them has it?. All it has done is turn off their natural supporters who see that they are not getting what they vote for. The idea that the current crowd of one-nation MP's are going to lead the Tories back into power if only they were just more liberal is laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 15:29:22 GMT
B4, the Tories will regroup. A period in opposition may not be a bad thing, believe me I don't want a Labour government but lets face it, when was the last time we had a Conservative government. I think after five years of a Labour government the country will be crying out for change, and the Tories will come back as a proper centre right Conservative party, the centrist liberals who have dominated the party since 2010 will be long gone. You will get waffle and a fake opposition to try and keep up the charade. The only thing the Tories managed to do was the EU referendum, but this was heavily forced by the fact that UKIP dominated the EU elections, and when Leave won the Tories tried to sabotage after McCameron stood down to play Lord Snot. If you want something different then you shouldn't be wasting your time on any of the establishment mainstream parties. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2024 15:30:35 GMT
The only person who could take over the Tory party and deliver a right wing party is Nigel Farage, yes I know he is a bit of a slippery character but what politician isn't, there is still a few right wing value Tories left, the problem is the rest of the Tories don't want to be right wing. Apart from him (he has the media visibility) it would have to be Suella , Kemi or David Frost Totally agree. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2024 15:34:31 GMT
Apart from him (he has the media visibility) it would have to be Suella , Kemi or David Frost Totally agree. We've put the spoke in the wheel of the lefties who would accuse 'right-wing racists' for supporting a Buddhist and a black leader for the Tory party leader, the lefties are knackered when they can't play the race card. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 15:39:44 GMT
We've put the spoke in the wheel of the lefties who would accuse 'right-wing racists' for supporting a Buddhist and a black leader for the Tory party leader, the lefties are knackered when they can't play the race card. Seeing Hamas supporting scum screaming "racist" to try and shut people down has been quite amusing, but these people are still odious degenerates who will violently attack the good people in our country. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 2, 2024 15:44:42 GMT
We've put the spoke in the wheel of the lefties who would accuse 'right-wing racists' for supporting a Buddhist and a black leader for the Tory party leader, the lefties are knackered when they can't play the race card. Seeing Hamas supporting scum screaming "racist" to try and shut people down has been quite amusing, but these people are still odious degenerates who will violently attack the good people in our country. Exactly, Tommy Robinson 'stand up for Britain' protesters were branded 'football hooligans'?
Pro-Palestine protesters were not branded ..... 'Hamas Terrorist supporter protesters' .... how selective can the establishment get?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 15:56:11 GMT
Seeing Hamas supporting scum screaming "racist" to try and shut people down has been quite amusing, but these people are still odious degenerates who will violently attack the good people in our country. Exactly, Tommy Robinson 'stand up for Britain' protesters were branded 'football hooligans'?
Pro-Palestine protesters were not branded ..... 'Hamas Terrorist supporter protesters' .... how selective can the establishment get?
The Hamas terrorist supporting scum are being hand held by this establishment, both Tory and Labour.
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