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Post by Bentley on Jun 10, 2024 10:54:15 GMT
It’s as if Starmer hasn’t full control of his minions .😁 When any hack asks Starmer a question I half expect him to say - I'll check with Angela... Ah Angela ..that left wing populist politician |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 10, 2024 11:21:32 GMT
Ref the Emily Thornberry interview I mentioned up the page. Just listened to a journalist ask Starmer if Thornberry was wrong to say class sizes will go up due to Labours VAT hit on private schools. His response was nothing if not crisp, lol. He said 'yes, she was wrong'. I almost expected him to add - so there. That 1/3 (or is it 1/2) of an extra teacher per state school will make all the difference (not) in maintaining class sizes  I read somewhere that Labour had a report commissioned which concluded that slapping another 20% VAT on expensive school fees will not lead to a significant pupil exodus from the private sector. I think they are in for a shock and maybe schools need to put orders in now for job lots of extra desks and chairs Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the respected think tank, who has also looked into the impact of the policy said that the evidence available suggested it would lead to a fall in private school rolls of no more than 7 per cent, or 40,000 pupils.
“I’ve seen lots of reports and evidence and articles over the last year and nothing has led me to demand from my original view that it would likely result in a small reduction in private school attendance, but nothing massive,” Mr Sibieta told i.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/experts-reject-claim-labour-private-school-tax-224k-more-state-pupils-3088681#:~:text=Education%20and%20News%20Reporter,was%20based%20on%20have%20said. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 10, 2024 11:50:46 GMT
Ref the Emily Thornberry interview I mentioned up the page. Just listened to a journalist ask Starmer if Thornberry was wrong to say class sizes will go up due to Labours VAT hit on private schools. His response was nothing if not crisp, lol. He said 'yes, she was wrong'. I almost expected him to add - so there. That 1/3 (or is it 1/2) of an extra teacher per state school will make all the difference (not) in maintaining class sizes I read somewhere that Labour had a report commissioned which concluded that slapping another 20% VAT on expensive school fees will not lead to a significant pupil exodus from the private sector. I think they are in for a shock and maybe schools need to put orders in now for job lots of extra desks and chairs Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the respected think tank, who has also looked into the impact of the policy said that the evidence available suggested it would lead to a fall in private school rolls of no more than 7 per cent, or 40,000 pupils.
“I’ve seen lots of reports and evidence and articles over the last year and nothing has led me to demand from my original view that it would likely result in a small reduction in private school attendance, but nothing massive,” Mr Sibieta told i.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/experts-reject-claim-labour-private-school-tax-224k-more-state-pupils-3088681#:~:text=Education%20and%20News%20Reporter,was%20based%20on%20have%20said.I tend to agree with the IFS, as your link says: Labours VAT plans would likely see 40,000 pupils leave the private sector for the state sector. As far as I'm aware both Labour and The Tories appear to accept this figure. Well... Labour accepted it yesterday, it would seem they may not accept it today! Perhaps Starmer should check with Angela? (lol) |
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Post by patman post on Jun 12, 2024 22:05:56 GMT
Schools are closing in Hackney due to fewer children and lower demand. Keeping them open until they drop to six pupils per teacher seems unnecessarily OTT.
Saving money to spend on teaching and upgrading facilities seems a good choice…
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Post by Handyman on Jun 13, 2024 6:24:13 GMT
Many are leaving London and other Cities hence the drop in pupils which means, some London primary schools will be forced to close as there are so few children applying that they will not be able to afford to stay open
A falling birth rate combined with families leaving London following Brexit and the pandemic means some schools are struggling to fill their places, plus in my opinion the growing gang culture in schools and inadequate Teachers, also more Parents are home schooling their children
Schools get funding for each pupil they take so those with falling rolls face financial devastation. State schools are now under pressure to market themselves to prospective parents in the same way that independent schools do to stop themselves from going under.
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Post by patman post on Jun 13, 2024 14:30:00 GMT
Fewer children have allowed smaller classes over the decades. But the decline has also reduced the need for school places and, ultimately, schools.
If UK birth numbers continue to drop, where will the people to care for the old age come from — and how with the UK find the doctors and nurses and care workers in future with falling birth rates overseas...?
Campaigners have warned that “procreation has become a luxury item”, after it emerged that the fertility rate in England and Wales had fallen to its lowest level since records began in 1939.
Official figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed “total fertility”, calculated based on the birthrate across different age groups, fell to 1.49 children per woman in 2022.
That is well below the rate of 2.1 needed to maintain a steady population without significant immigration. In total, there were 605,479 live births in 2022, according to the ONS, down 3.1% from a year earlier, and the lowest number since 2002.
Falling birthrates since 2010 have already prompted schools closures in many areas in recent years, including central London.www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/birthrate-in-uk-falls-to-record-low-as-campaigners-say-procreation-is-a-luxury |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 14, 2024 19:27:14 GMT
Labour’s VAT raid blamed for closure of Alton school in HampshireAccording to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, up to 40,000 children will be pushed out of private schools and into state schools as a result of Labour’s plans, at a cost of up to £300 million a year to the taxpayer. Starmer, however, has promised to implement his plan immediately should he be in Downing Street on July 5. The VAT charge is expected to raise £1.6bn to spend on a range of state education commitments. postsoviet.eu/blog/stdc46ad30995cdvcetjon27.htmlHow very socialist. The state education system is creaking under the strain of oversubscribed schools, not helped by hundreds of thousands of immigrant children many of whom cant speak English. Parents struggle to find school places and are often forced to drive their children miles to get to a school. So what does Starmer do? He forces private schools to close which will force 40,000 kids into an already overstretched state school system. Well done Starmer, well done Labour. If this is a sign of things to come, god help this country. If some of the Private Schools close which is certainly on the cards it will mean many local people will be made redundant unemployed , not just Teachers, but cleaners, kitchen staff, gardeners, maintenance, a knock on effect local suppliers will lose trade, more job losses there especially in Rural arear where Jobs are hard to find. The schools that can still keep going will have to increase fees, reduce pupil numbers, reduce members of staff Teachers, and as above. The Politics of Envy yet again |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 14, 2024 19:31:38 GMT
Maybe we can use the old schools to house illegal economic migrants .
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Post by Handyman on Jun 15, 2024 6:52:54 GMT
Maybe we can use the old schools to house illegal economic migrants . There are many thousands of people with children on long waiting lists for Social Housing that should be housed first IMHO |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 15, 2024 18:13:10 GMT
Maybe we can use the old schools to house illegal economic migrants . There are many thousands of people with children on long waiting lists for Social Housing that should be housed first IMHO Thats far right talk , that is . |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 18, 2024 16:21:10 GMT
Labour MP's that went to private schools,
They include Hilary Benn, Thangam Debbonaire, Louise Haigh and Anneliese Dodds, chairman of the Labour Party.
John Healey, shadow defence secretary, Alan Campbell, opposition chief whip in the Commons, and shadow foreign secretary David Lammy were also privately educated.
Seven of the 31 members of the shadow cabinet attended private school. Additionally, Sir Keir Starmer attended Reigate Grammar School in Surrey which became fee-paying after he enrolled. That compares with 20 of the 32 Tories in the Cabinet who were privately educated.
Labour has pledged to start charging 20 per cent VAT on private schools “as soon as it can be done” if it wins the general election.
" I'm all right Jack pull the ladder up "
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