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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 13:40:32 GMT
Oh, you are that stupid, brave of you to admit it. Collective Punishment being a War Crime did not exist prior to the Geneva Conventions. As the Geneva Conventions are what is used to determine and prosecute War Crimes it is, obviously (to anyone not stupid that is), the point of reference for allegations of War Crimes by Israel. Especially as it is Israel being a signatory of the Geneva Conventions that gives those conventions, and the courts that adjudicate those conventions, authority to charge and, if deemed necessary, prosecute Israel. All The Best There you go again …and you are claiming others are thick 😁 Try reading the post you replied to very slowly . Use you finger if necessary. Like I said, The Geneva Conventions are the relevant legally binding agreements covering War Crimes. Anyone discussing this issue without reference to the GCs is thick. Carry on proving the point if you wish; gives me a chuckle. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 13:50:56 GMT
There you go again …and you are claiming others are thick 😁 Try reading the post you replied to very slowly . Use you finger if necessary. Like I said, The Geneva Conventions are the relevant legally binding agreements covering War Crimes. Anyone discussing this issue without reference to the GCs is thick. Carry on proving the point if you wish; gives me a chuckle. All The Best Collective punishment has been around for millennia . Demanding that it should only be discussed within the context of the Geneva convention is thick . Maybe you have a feather in your pants . It’s perfectly suitable to discuss issues without the little pedant in the corner citing the relevant laws and telling everyone that they are thick …but obviously not when you are in the conversation . Have a chuckle on me 👍 As an aside …the Nazis and the Allies inflicted collective punishment in WW2 so do you think both sides were war criminals or neither ?
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 13:52:47 GMT
Netanyahu is a pretty sick right winger who has been given the power, by the Arabs, to expand Israeli control in Palestine. He is the product of Arab disrespect and butchering of Jews in Palestine for hundreds of years, (the history). Along with the wars of annihilation waged against Israel and the years of terrorism that followed. Netanyahu is a product of Arab hatred of the Jews and of THEIR need to control the Jews / Israelis in Palestine. Are you honest enough to acknowledge that truth? You really can't stop yourself blaming the Arabs for everything Israel does wrong, can you! Even here where you admit Netanyahu is a "sick right winger" - you blame Arabs for it. Fucking unbelievable - your racism knows no bounds.If you have to blame anyone (other then Netanyahu for CHOOSING to be what he is, that is) then blame the people who voted him into power. - repeatedly. Afterall, the fact that Gazans voted Hamas into power just once has been used by inhumane asshats like you to excuse Israeli atrocities in Gaza. Using your logic that means Israelis are fair game for voting for Netanyahu THREE TIMES. I don't happen to believe that, I think there is one person, and JUST ONE person, to blame for Netanyahu's actions - and that is Benjamin Netanyahu. All The Best The actual truth always irritates you probably because you have no answer to it. The people who vote Netanyahu into power and have the option of voting him out of power, are the people who have and are still suffering the murderous hatred from the extremist Arabs. YES, the Arabs are to blame. You have no logic when it comes to the Arabs attacking the Jews / Israelis, a fact you have made obvious for many decades. It seems to be quite a widespread problem, that whenever a country gets stuck with a problem it can't resolve, the Right-wingers become more popular amongst the voters. For Israel the problem has gone on long before the rise of Likud and Netanyahu, both are a reaction to the obvious Arab hatred of and the killing of the Jews / Israelis.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 13:59:17 GMT
Like I said, The Geneva Conventions are the relevant legally binding agreements covering War Crimes. Anyone discussing this issue without reference to the GCs is thick. Carry on proving the point if you wish; gives me a chuckle. All The Best Collective punishment has been around for millennia . Demanding that it should only be discussed within the context of the Geneva convention is thick . Maybe you have a feather in your pants . It’s perfectly suitable to discuss issues without the little pedant in the corner citing the relevant laws and telling everyone that they are thick …but obviously not when you are in the conversation . Have a chuckle on me 👍 Yes it has. But it was NOT a War Crime until the Geneva Conventions. Ergo, engaging in collective punishment prior the Geneva Conventions while morally repugnant was NOT a War Crime. So such cases have NO bearing whatsoever in a discussion about WAR CRIMES. Let's be honest, this is just more lazy, and intellectually vacuous, whataboutery to try and deflect from potential Israeli War Crimes. Yes, the Allied bombing of Dresden was morally repugnant, but it was NOT a War Crime because the UK was not at that point a signatory to the Geneva Conventions - because they did not then exist; and it was not until the Geneva Conventions that Collective Punishment became a War Crime. Now you can pretend to be too stupid to understand that, but the only person looking silly is you. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 14:00:15 GMT
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 14:07:59 GMT
Collective punishment has been around for millennia . Demanding that it should only be discussed within the context of the Geneva convention is thick . Maybe you have a feather in your pants . It’s perfectly suitable to discuss issues without the little pedant in the corner citing the relevant laws and telling everyone that they are thick …but obviously not when you are in the conversation . Have a chuckle on me 👍 Yes it has. But it was NOT a War Crime until the Geneva Conventions. Ergo, engaging in collective punishment prior the Geneva Conventions while morally repugnant was NOT a War Crime. So such cases have NO bearing whatsoever in a discussion about WAR CRIMES. Let's be honest, this is just more lazy, and intellectually vacuous, whataboutery to try and deflect from potential Israeli War Crimes. Yes, the Allied bombing of Dresden was morally repugnant, but it was NOT a War Crime because the UK was not at that point a signatory to the Geneva Conventions - because they did not then exist; and it was not until the Geneva Conventions that Collective Punishment became a War Crime. Now you can pretend to be too stupid to understand that, but the only person looking silly is you. All The Best So the Nazis cannot be considered as war criminals because their offences occurred during WW2 ..okay …you are an idiot . Nope the conversation was about should the Palestinian Arabs be given a Palestinian state . That was before the self proclaim clever bloke demanded he controlled the narrative . The fact is that the allies used collective punishment during WW2 , the US used collective punishment in Vietnam and Iraq . You can stamp your little feet as much as you like but it’s true.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 14:09:18 GMT
The BBC is no better than Russia Today.
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Post by Tinculin on May 27, 2024 14:21:47 GMT
Hamas are collectively punishing all of Gaza by forcing their people to be collateral damage in Israel's war to remove them. This is a war crime committed daily by the terrorist group.
Under the Geneva convention, it's not Israel's duty to evacuate Gazan citizens, that's actually on Hamas to do, which is fails to do with abundance. For some very sinister reason, Muslim fundamentalists in that region, simply don't have the same value for life as the western world & so a high death toll benefits them, because they know it will sicken us.
Under the Geneva convention, Israel has a duty to warn civilians of impending attacks where civilians are located and to follow other obligations on proportionality,giving Gazan citizens times to evacuate. Given the relatively low death toll, it would appear they clearly aren't indiscriminately killing, or you'd have many thousands dying per day (not hundreds). Where the IDF fail to do this, then those occurrences would also be war crimes.
While tens of thousands of deaths after 7.5 months is of course a tragedy, statistically, casualty numbers are low considering a war of this nature & they'd be much less if Hamas weren't collectively punishing their own people by hiding behind/beneath them.
Of course the reasons they do, is obvious, it's a terrorist attempt to make life difficult for the IDF, both militarily and politically, and that's also working.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 14:22:38 GMT
Yes it has. But it was NOT a War Crime until the Geneva Conventions. Ergo, engaging in collective punishment prior the Geneva Conventions while morally repugnant was NOT a War Crime. So such cases have NO bearing whatsoever in a discussion about WAR CRIMES. Let's be honest, this is just more lazy, and intellectually vacuous, whataboutery to try and deflect from potential Israeli War Crimes. Yes, the Allied bombing of Dresden was morally repugnant, but it was NOT a War Crime because the UK was not at that point a signatory to the Geneva Conventions - because they did not then exist; and it was not until the Geneva Conventions that Collective Punishment became a War Crime. Now you can pretend to be too stupid to understand that, but the only person looking silly is you. All The Best So the Nazis cannot be considered as war criminals because their offences occurred during WW2 ..okay …you are an idiot . Nope the conversation was about should the Palestinian Arabs be given a Palestinian state . That was before the self proclaim clever bloke demanded he controlled the narrative . The fact is that the allies used collective punishment during WW2 , the US used collective punishment in Vietnam and Iraq . You can stamp your little feet as much as you like but it’s true. No, the Nazis can be considered war criminals. But NOT under the auspices of the Geneva Conventions. Fuck me, I feel my IQ drop every time I engage with you, it has to so I can lower myself to your level. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 14:23:56 GMT
Hamas are collectively punishing all of Gaza by forcing their people to be collateral damage in Israel's war to remove them. This is a war crime committed daily by the terrorist group. Under the Geneva convention, it's not Israel's duty to evacuate Gazan citizens, that's actually on Hamas to do, which is fails to do with abundance. For some very sinister reason, Muslim fundamentalists in that region, simply don't have the same value for life as the western world & so a high death toll benefits them, because they know it will sicken us. Under the Geneva convention, Israel has a duty to warn civilians of impending attacks where civilians are located and to follow other obligations on proportionality,giving Gazan citizens times to evacuate. Given the relatively low death toll, it would appear they clearly aren't indiscriminately killing, or you'd have many thousands dying per day (not hundreds). Where the IDF fail to do this, then those occurrences would also be war crimes. While tens of thousands of deaths after 7.5 months is of course a tragedy, statistically, casualty numbers are low considering a war of this nature & they'd be much less if Hamas weren't collectively punishing their own people by hiding behind/beneath them. Of course the reasons they do, is obvious, it's a terrorist attempt to make life difficult for the IDF, both militarily and politically, and that's also working. You are genuinely sick in the head if you think Israel's death toll in Gaza is "relatively low". All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 14:24:04 GMT
Yes it is really bad. Nevertheless attacking the Jews / Israelis is not just like attacking any individual, killing an Israeli in Palestine triggers the anger of a history of denigration, pogroms, wars, terrorist murders and pain imposed by the Arabs. That are still happening to this day. Only the Arabs can bring about peace in Palestine / Israel. Instead of that they choose to keep kicking the tiger in the bollocks.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 14:29:13 GMT
Yes it is really bad. Nevertheless attacking the Jews / Israelis is not just like attacking any individual, killing an Israeli in Palestine triggers the anger of a history of denigration, pogroms, wars, terrorist murders and pain imposed by the Arabs. That are still happening to this day. Only the Arabs can bring about peace in Palestine / Israel. Instead of that they choose to keep kicking the tiger in the bollocks. You are wrong. Attacking / killing one Jew is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT to attacking / killing any one other person, no matter where it happens. Unless, like you, you believe in the racist ideology that Jews are "special" and everyone else just has to accept being treated as less than them. Every time you touch your keyboard more and more evidence of your racism flows forth. Surely the logical flips-side of your argument is that every time Israel kills a Palestinian in stolen West Bank lands it is "not just like killing any individual". Or is this yet another example of your racist double standards? All The Best
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 14:33:02 GMT
So the Nazis cannot be considered as war criminals because their offences occurred during WW2 ..okay …you are an idiot . Nope the conversation was about should the Palestinian Arabs be given a Palestinian state . That was before the self proclaim clever bloke demanded he controlled the narrative . The fact is that the allies used collective punishment during WW2 , the US used collective punishment in Vietnam and Iraq . You can stamp your little feet as much as you like but it’s true. No, the Nazis can be considered war criminals. But NOT under the auspices of the Geneva Conventions. Fuck me, I feel my IQ drop every time I engage with you, it has to so I can lower myself to your level. All The Best It couldn’t drop any further so don’t worry about that . Anyway your post might drop the penny that we can talk about war crimes outside of the Geneva convention context . I doubt whether it will though . Every time someone does the pumped up little pedant will become triggered ..that’s you .
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Post by Tinculin on May 27, 2024 15:06:33 GMT
Hamas are collectively punishing all of Gaza by forcing their people to be collateral damage in Israel's war to remove them. This is a war crime committed daily by the terrorist group. Under the Geneva convention, it's not Israel's duty to evacuate Gazan citizens, that's actually on Hamas to do, which is fails to do with abundance. For some very sinister reason, Muslim fundamentalists in that region, simply don't have the same value for life as the western world & so a high death toll benefits them, because they know it will sicken us. Under the Geneva convention, Israel has a duty to warn civilians of impending attacks where civilians are located and to follow other obligations on proportionality,giving Gazan citizens times to evacuate. Given the relatively low death toll, it would appear they clearly aren't indiscriminately killing, or you'd have many thousands dying per day (not hundreds). Where the IDF fail to do this, then those occurrences would also be war crimes. While tens of thousands of deaths after 7.5 months is of course a tragedy, statistically, casualty numbers are low considering a war of this nature & they'd be much less if Hamas weren't collectively punishing their own people by hiding behind/beneath them. Of course the reasons they do, is obvious, it's a terrorist attempt to make life difficult for the IDF, both militarily and politically, and that's also working. You are genuinely sick in the head if you think Israel's death toll in Gaza is "relatively low". All The Best Compared to other conflicts, such as the Ukraine-Russio war (1-2k deaths per day), or the Rwandan Genocide (~8,000 deaths per day), it statistically is. Numbers aren't 'sick', they're just facts. These numbers would be far lower if Hamas were not engaging in collective punishment of it's own people.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 15:13:35 GMT
You are genuinely sick in the head if you think Israel's death toll in Gaza is "relatively low". All The Best Compared to other conflicts, such as the Ukraine-Russio war (1-2k deaths per day), or the Rwandan Genocide (~8,000 deaths per day), it statistically is. Numbers aren't 'sick', they're just facts. These numbers would be far lower if Hamas were not engaging in collective punishment of it's own people. Any actual evidence to support this claim? Or is this just a see2-esque attempt to blame Arabs for Israeli actions? All The Best
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