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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 16:33:06 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Jun 6, 2024 16:34:25 GMT
A bit like indigenous Americans, or Aboriginals, or German Jews then. The comparison with aboriginals / Indians is perhaps appropriate in some cases. They wouldn't accept a border and if you introduced enough of then to any society, it would fall into a chaotic tip Take it from me, I know what you are all selling, there is no way I am buying any of it.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 16:58:01 GMT
So attack Yemen, not Gaza. Guessing Israel won't do that though, as Yemen has a professional standing army. All The Best
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 17:08:09 GMT
Encouraging Israel to retaliate to attacks from Hamas' allies? What would the ICC say? Oh right, the USA have openly opposed the ICC and won't even recognise them. *tuts*
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:16:39 GMT
Encouraging Israel to retaliate to attacks from Hamas' allies? What would the ICC say? Oh right, the USA have openly opposed the ICC and won't even recognise them. *tuts* I am not sure the USA should be comfortable sharing an ideological bed with Russia, China, Libya and Israel in denying the ICC. Funny how it the countries most at risk of being called out on War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity that reject the ICC. Can't imagine why. All The Best
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 17:20:11 GMT
Probably because it's illegitimate, where even the SNP MSPs have stated that it's anti-Israel.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:32:54 GMT
Probably because it's illegitimate, where even the SNP MSPs have stated that it's anti-Israel. So, your claim is that it is "illegitimate" simply because it seeks to hold Israel legally accountable for Israeli actions? Is that right? All The Best
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 17:33:47 GMT
No.
EDIT: you will have to ask your beloved Joe Biden.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:42:07 GMT
So what, specifically, makes it "illegitimate"? Given that 124 States have signed up to the Rome Statute, and the vast majority of those that haven't happen to have appalling Human Rights records? Heck, the US was instrumental is setting up the ICC and defining its key characteristics, then failed to sign when they realised that US Soldiers would also be held accountable. All The Best
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 7, 2024 17:31:08 GMT
The ICC in of itself, is a powerless entity. It doesn't matter how many harmless countries sign up to the Rome Statute, powerless countries have no ability to enforce the courts rulings (i.e. enforce it's legitimacy). If none of them have any power to do anything to enable the enforcement of it's laws, then they need to request their enforcement from other sources.
This leaves the ICC with only a single way of obtaining it's authority to action one of it's rulings, and that is to petition the UNSC to provide military support.
With Russia's military degraded due to their drawn out war in Ukraine, the only power in the world that sits on the UNSC and has any power projection to enforce anything on Hamas (let alone Israel), would be the USA (possibly China, but they are notoriously isolationist).
Europe is paying the price for having no military - in forgoing it's military, it has abandoned it's ability to enforce its authority. Even if it does decide to about turn, and invest in it's military, it would be a decade or more before there would be any geopolitical powershift that would threaten the current status quo of American Hegemony.
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Post by wapentake on Jun 7, 2024 17:59:45 GMT
The ICC in of itself, is a powerless entity. It doesn't matter how many harmless countries sign up to the Rome Statute, powerless countries have no ability to enforce the courts rulings (i.e. enforce it's legitimacy). If none of them have any power to do anything to enable the enforcement of it's laws, then they need to request their enforcement from other sources. This leaves the ICC with only a single way of obtaining it's authority to action one of it's rulings, and that is to petition the UNSC to provide military support. With Russia's military degraded due to their drawn out war in Ukraine, the only power in the world that sits on the UNSC and has any power projection to enforce anything on Hamas (let alone Israel), would be the USA (possibly China, but they are notoriously isolationist). Europe is paying the price for having no military - in forgoing it's military, it has abandoned it's ability to enforce its authority. Even if it does decide to about turn, and invest in it's military, it would be a decade or more before there would be any geopolitical powershift that would threaten the current status quo of American Hegemony.And therein lies the problem,too much time pursuing a political project and reliance on energy from a man president for life who long ago revealed his darker side and they chose to ignore it. And there was reliance too on the US military umbrella and now they’re approaching a potential Nero situation because the present incumbent is gaga and his likely replacement a loud mouthed egotistical liar who has loudly criticised not without some justification the lack of military spending and the threat to leave them to their fate.
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