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Post by Pacifico on May 27, 2024 15:19:29 GMT
So the Allies in WW2 were carrying out collective punishment on the Germans and we should be held to account? Interesting argument.. Oh fuck me, you have to pretending to be this fucking stupid. The Geneva Conventions came into force after WWII. Not rocket science, is it? All The Best so had the Geneva Conventions come in before WW2 you would be demanding the UK was held to account for attacks on Germany? Well I suppose it's a view..
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Post by Tinculin on May 27, 2024 16:47:14 GMT
Compared to other conflicts, such as the Ukraine-Russio war (1-2k deaths per day), or the Rwandan Genocide (~8,000 deaths per day), it statistically is. Numbers aren't 'sick', they're just facts. These numbers would be far lower if Hamas were not engaging in collective punishment of it's own people. Any actual evidence to support this claim? Or is this just a see2-esque attempt to blame Arabs for Israeli actions? All The Best It’s evidenced that Hamas are fighting within the towns and cities of Gaza and have not fulfilled their Geneva convention requirements to evacuate them. Thats collective punishment. If Hamas had evacuated them, as required by the Geneva convention, the IDF would not have had to do it (and come under intense act across the media for doing so). If the civilians had been evacuated, then they would not be getting killed as collateral damage. Please don’t start defending Hamas now.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 17:55:43 GMT
Oh fuck me, you have to pretending to be this fucking stupid. The Geneva Conventions came into force after WWII. Not rocket science, is it? All The Best so had the Geneva Conventions come in before WW2 you would be demanding the UK was held to account for attacks on Germany?Well I suppose it's a view.. Yes, of course. The UK should abide by any and all International Treaties it voluntarily signed up to. The UK is currently at risk of violating the Geneva Conventions by continuing to supply weapons to Israel. A genuine patriot would oppose that. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 18:02:14 GMT
Any actual evidence to support this claim? Or is this just a see2-esque attempt to blame Arabs for Israeli actions? All The Best It’s evidenced that Hamas are fighting within the towns and cities of Gaza and have not fulfilled their Geneva convention requirements to evacuate them. Thats collective punishment. If Hamas had evacuated them, as required by the Geneva convention, the IDF would not have had to do it (and come under intense act across the media for doing so). If the civilians had been evacuated, then they would not be getting killed as collateral damage. Please don’t start defending Hamas now. Where could they evacuate them to that is materially safer than where they are? Don't forget half of Gaza moved South to Rafah because Israel said it was safe... ...now Israel is bombing Rafah. I am not defending Hamas, I am just not turning a blind-eye to Israeli atrocities. The question is why are you defending Israel for doing materially the same as Hamas. BTW: Could you provide a genuine ruling that Hamas "not evacuating" is Collective Punishment; because from my reading on Collective Punishment that is not at all how it works. I suspect it is a fanciful interpretation, by you, to deflect from actual Israeli atrocities; but I am prepared to be convinced otherwise if you can provide definitive evidence to support your claim. All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 20:35:11 GMT
Yes it is really bad. Nevertheless attacking the Jews / Israelis is not just like attacking any individual, killing an Israeli in Palestine triggers the anger of a history of denigration, pogroms, wars, terrorist murders and pain imposed by the Arabs. That are still happening to this day. Only the Arabs can bring about peace in Palestine / Israel. Instead of that they choose to keep kicking the tiger in the bollocks. You are wrong. Attacking / killing one Jew is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT to attacking / killing any one other person, no matter where it happens.Unless, like you, you believe in the racist ideology that Jews are "special" and everyone else just has to accept being treated as less than them. All The Best Proving ^^^ just how limited and orientated your emotions are. Along with just how completely stupid your thinking is. The Jews are not special except for the extent they have been abused by so many, including yourself. IT WAS THE ARABS WHO CHOSE VIOLENCE AND WAR WHEN PEACE WAS THERE FOR THE TAKING. Yet despite the fact that you know this, you continue to ignore that reality.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 3:08:36 GMT
You are wrong. Attacking / killing one Jew is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT to attacking / killing any one other person, no matter where it happens.Unless, like you, you believe in the racist ideology that Jews are "special" and everyone else just has to accept being treated as less than them. All The Best Proving ^^^ just how limited and orientated your emotions are. Along with just how completely stupid your thinking is. The Jews are not special except for the extent they have been abused by so many, including yourself. IT WAS THE ARABS WHO CHOSE VIOLENCE AND WAR WHEN PEACE WAS THERE FOR THE TAKING. Yet despite the fact that you know this, you continue to ignore that reality. So my emotions are limited because I think one human life is of equal moral and legal worth to another human life, regardless of race, and religion? Meanwhile, you who espouses the racist view that Jews are of more moral worth than non-Jews think you are morally, emotionally, and intellectually superior to me? Go fuck yourself you racist fuck! All The Best
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Post by sheepy on May 28, 2024 6:10:32 GMT
You are wrong. Attacking / killing one Jew is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT to attacking / killing any one other person, no matter where it happens.Unless, like you, you believe in the racist ideology that Jews are "special" and everyone else just has to accept being treated as less than them. All The Best Proving ^^^ just how limited and orientated your emotions are. Along with just how completely stupid your thinking is. The Jews are not special except for the extent they have been abused by so many, including yourself. IT WAS THE ARABS WHO CHOSE VIOLENCE AND WAR WHEN PEACE WAS THERE FOR THE TAKING. Yet despite the fact that you know this, you continue to ignore that reality. Meanwhile the Yanks are like rabbits caught in the headlights, don't know which way they should turn, Israel is again just mocking them like they did under Trump and couldn't under Obama.
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Post by see2 on May 28, 2024 7:17:29 GMT
Proving ^^^ just how limited and orientated your emotions are. Along with just how completely stupid your thinking is. The Jews are not special except for the extent they have been abused by so many, including yourself. IT WAS THE ARABS WHO CHOSE VIOLENCE AND WAR WHEN PEACE WAS THERE FOR THE TAKING. Yet despite the fact that you know this, you continue to ignore that reality. So my emotions are limited because I think one human life is of equal moral and legal worth to another human life, regardless of race, and religion? Meanwhile, you who espouses the racist view that Jews are of more moral worth than non-Jews think you are morally, emotionally, and intellectually superior to me? Go fuck yourself you racist fuck! All The Best Your inability / refusal to take into account the number of Jewish / Israeli lives taken by Arabs in their pogroms, wars and terrorism over hundreds of years, exposes your single minded anti-Semitism. All this Arab crap over hundreds of years and right up to today is part of the Jewish / Israeli history, so it is no surprise to me that some Israelis get very angry and aggressive when the Arabs kill yet another Jew / Israeli. That is the point that you are intentionally avoiding. Your second comment is just another contrived lie. Shame on you for your deceitful lying avoidance of reality.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 8:50:28 GMT
So my emotions are limited because I think one human life is of equal moral and legal worth to another human life, regardless of race, and religion? Meanwhile, you who espouses the racist view that Jews are of more moral worth than non-Jews think you are morally, emotionally, and intellectually superior to me? Go fuck yourself you racist fuck! All The Best Your inability / refusal to take into account the number of Jewish / Israeli lives taken by Arabs in their pogroms, wars and terrorism over hundreds of years, exposes your single minded anti-Semitism. All this Arab crap over hundreds of years and right up to today is part of the Jewish / Israeli history, so it is no surprise to me that some Israelis get very angry and aggressive when the Arabs kill yet another Jew / Israeli. That is the point that you are intentionally avoiding. Your second comment is just another contrived lie. Shame on you for your deceitful lying avoidance of reality. Oh, I have taken it into account, and the number is dwarfed by the number of Arabs murdered by Israeli wars and terrorism. I am not avoiding the fact that Israelis get angry when Arabs kill another Jew. I just don't see how that is any different at all to Arabs getting angry when Jews kill another Arab. And I certainly do not see how that absolves either side of the responsibility for their own actions. Most of us don't get to choose whether or not to be angry, or sad, or any other emotion. But we ALL get to CHOOSE how we react to those emotions. I get angry whenever I see the "tragic accident" lie repeatedly trotted out to cover for yet another Israeli atrocity. But I don't go out and commit violence or hatred, or intimidation against Israelis or Jews. Because that would make no better than the people I am angry at. I am better than that, because I CHOOSE not to engage in violence and hatred. Right now Netanyahu is CHOOSING to engage in violence and hatred, and that makes just as morally repugnant as Hamas. All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 28, 2024 11:23:40 GMT
Your inability / refusal to take into account the number of Jewish / Israeli lives taken by Arabs in their pogroms, wars and terrorism over hundreds of years, exposes your single minded anti-Semitism. All this Arab crap over hundreds of years and right up to today is part of the Jewish / Israeli history, so it is no surprise to me that some Israelis get very angry and aggressive when the Arabs kill yet another Jew / Israeli. That is the point that you are intentionally avoiding. Your second comment is just another contrived lie. Shame on you for your deceitful lying avoidance of reality. Oh, I have taken it into account, and the number is dwarfed by the number of Arabs murdered by Israeli wars and terrorism.All The Best There is no point in trying to debate with a liar like yourself. ^^^ When in history and right up to today, did the Israelis ever declare a war of annihilation on the Palestinian Arabs?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
IT WAS THE ARABS WHO CHOSE VIOLENCE AND WAR WHEN PEACE WAS THERE FOR THE TAKING. Yet despite the fact that you know this, you continue to ignore that reality. Go fuck yourself you racist fuck! Says it all really.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 15:02:03 GMT
Go fuck yourself you racist fuck! Says it all really. It passes as debate, in some worlds. It is ranting and raving, not pretty at all.
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Post by Bentley on May 28, 2024 15:47:05 GMT
Heard in Hamas headquarters.. Here’s a cunning plan . Kill a few thousand of our enemy’s’ civilians then hide behind our own civilians when our enemy retaliates. Soon you will have the support of the naive lefties and assorted virtue signallers across the world . What could go wrong ?.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 16:04:40 GMT
Heard in Hamas headquarters.. Here’s a cunning plan . Kill a few thousand of our enemy’s’ civilians then hide behind our own civilians when our enemy retaliates. Soon you will have the support of the naive lefties and assorted virtue signallers across the world . What could go wrong ?. Any actual evidence to support that? Or is it, like most of the righty posts on this thread, made up shit with no grounding in reality? Next you'll claim that wanting Israel to be legally and morally accountable for its own actions is the same as supporting Hamas... ...oh, wait... ...some fuckwit tried that already. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 16:06:48 GMT
Oh, I have taken it into account, and the number is dwarfed by the number of Arabs murdered by Israeli wars and terrorism.All The Best There is no point in trying to debate with a liar like yourself. ^^^ When in history and right up to today, did the Israelis ever declare a war of annihilation on the Palestinian Arabs? You don't have to "declare war" to actually be fighting one. And "war of annihilation" is just another made-up term by you that has no basis in fact; this has been pointed out already, but you persist in spreading the falsehood. You are just like Netanyahu and Tony Blair aren't you - an NBL - Natural Born Liar. All The Best
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