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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 22:13:17 GMT
It's not collective punishment - it is war. That's for a court to decide. The UN has said there is credible reason to believe it is Collective Punishment. WWII was also war but the Nazi's inflicted Collective Punishment on the Jews, Gypsies, etc. Or are you now saying that War and Collective Punishment are mutually exclusive? That will rile the Zionist lobby. All The Best The allies inflicted collective punishment on innocent citizens in Axis countries..according to your definition of collective punishment. As for the UN …lol.
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2024 6:13:02 GMT
Does a strong Israel also mean they need a government that is corrupt, has a leader who can only avoid corruption charges by staying in power, who would mass murder civilians and drag Israel into the gutter to avoid facing justice, while thinking they are above any law including international law. I guess it does then. A strong Israel sounds a lot more like a rogue state than anything else.
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Post by Pacifico on May 27, 2024 6:53:11 GMT
It's not collective punishment - it is war. That's for a court to decide. The UN has said there is credible reason to believe it is Collective Punishment. WWII was also war but the Nazi's inflicted Collective Punishment on the Jews, Gypsies, etc. Or are you now saying that War and Collective Punishment are mutually exclusive? That will rile the Zionist lobby. All The Best So the Allies in WW2 were carrying out collective punishment on the Germans and we should be held to account? Interesting argument..
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Post by Pacifico on May 27, 2024 6:55:53 GMT
Does a strong Israel also mean they need a government that is corrupt, has a leader who can only avoid corruption charges by staying in power, who would mass murder civilians and drag Israel into the gutter to avoid facing justice, while thinking they are above any law including international law. I guess it does then. A strong Israel sounds a lot more like a rogue state than anything else. They are - all Sovereign nations are. International Law is a bit of a misnomer - it is simply a series of agreements that Sovereign States decide to sign up to. By the same token they are free to not be part of any agreement. Domestic Law always trumps International Law.
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2024 7:20:48 GMT
Does a strong Israel also mean they need a government that is corrupt, has a leader who can only avoid corruption charges by staying in power, who would mass murder civilians and drag Israel into the gutter to avoid facing justice, while thinking they are above any law including international law. I guess it does then. A strong Israel sounds a lot more like a rogue state than anything else. They are - all Sovereign nations are. International Law is a bit of a misnomer - it is simply a series of agreements that Sovereign States decide to sign up to. By the same token they are free to not be part of any agreement. Domestic Law always trumps International Law. Always? I think that might be somewhat untrue.
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Post by Pacifico on May 27, 2024 7:24:40 GMT
They are - all Sovereign nations are. International Law is a bit of a misnomer - it is simply a series of agreements that Sovereign States decide to sign up to. By the same token they are free to not be part of any agreement. Domestic Law always trumps International Law. Always? I think that might be somewhat untrue. Well think of an international Law - take the 1948 Genocide Convention. Currently 41 members of the UN have refused to ratify it - so this international Law only applies when Sovereign Governments decide they want to apply it. And what Sovereign Governments decide to apply they can also decide to dis-apply.
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Post by Tinculin on May 27, 2024 8:24:31 GMT
The difference between domestic law vs international law, is that domestic law has the power to back it up.
Meaning, if you break the law, the government has the power to arrest and punish you.
International law only has that power when it appeals to the security council to enforce it, otherwise it has no power.
Given the only country on the security council with the power to enforce international law is the USA, this means the USA is essentially the worlds only hope of recourse when international law is broken.
All other countries are powerless when it comes to enforcing international law, and in the case of European countries, that is their own fault for diminishing their militaries to such a state where they’re harmless.
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 9:01:32 GMT
Does a strong Israel also mean they need a government that is corrupt, has a leader who can only avoid corruption charges by staying in power, who would mass murder civilians and drag Israel into the gutter to avoid facing justice, while thinking they are above any law including international law. I guess it does then. A strong Israel sounds a lot more like a rogue state than anything else. Your post reminds me of the lies and distortions made by a 'normal' LOL, well paid propagandist. If you are not one you have missed your natural vocation in life.
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 9:15:18 GMT
It's not collective punishment - it is war. That's for a court to decide.The UN has said there is credible reason to believe it is Collective Punishment. WWII was also war but the Nazi's inflicted Collective Punishment on the Jews, Gypsies, etc. Or are you now saying that War and Collective Punishment are mutually exclusive? That will rile the Zionist lobby. All The Best "For a court to decide", so not for you to decide. "credible reason to believe" is not actual proof of anything.
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 9:32:00 GMT
The fault of extremist Muslims, absolutely, I like the honesty of calling a spade a spade.So you'll now call Netanyahu a belligerent, extremist, likely war criminal, right? Or is that an honesty too far? All The Best Netanyahu is a pretty sick right winger who has been given the power, by the Arabs, to expand Israeli control in Palestine. He is the product of Arab disrespect and butchering of Jews in Palestine for hundreds of years, (the history). Along with the wars of annihilation waged against Israel and the years of terrorism that followed. Netanyahu is a product of Arab hatred of the Jews and of THEIR need to control the Jews / Israelis in Palestine. Are you honest enough to acknowledge that truth?
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 12:59:17 GMT
That's for a court to decide. The UN has said there is credible reason to believe it is Collective Punishment. WWII was also war but the Nazi's inflicted Collective Punishment on the Jews, Gypsies, etc. Or are you now saying that War and Collective Punishment are mutually exclusive? That will rile the Zionist lobby. All The Best So the Allies in WW2 were carrying out collective punishment on the Germans and we should be held to account? Interesting argument.. Oh fuck me, you have to pretending to be this fucking stupid. The Geneva Conventions came into force after WWII. Not rocket science, is it? All The Best
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 13:04:21 GMT
So the Allies in WW2 were carrying out collective punishment on the Germans and we should be held to account? Interesting argument.. Oh fuck me, you have to pretending to be this fucking stupid. The Geneva Conventions came into force after WWII. Not rocket science, is it? All The Best Collective punishment didn’t . If everything you post is in the context of the Geneva convention then you might as well post to yourself because afaik no one else is .
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 13:13:31 GMT
So you'll now call Netanyahu a belligerent, extremist, likely war criminal, right? Or is that an honesty too far? All The Best Netanyahu is a pretty sick right winger who has been given the power, by the Arabs, to expand Israeli control in Palestine. He is the product of Arab disrespect and butchering of Jews in Palestine for hundreds of years, (the history). Along with the wars of annihilation waged against Israel and the years of terrorism that followed. Netanyahu is a product of Arab hatred of the Jews and of THEIR need to control the Jews / Israelis in Palestine. Are you honest enough to acknowledge that truth? You really can't stop yourself blaming the Arabs for everything Israel does wrong, can you! Even here where you admit Netanyahu is a "sick right winger" - you blame Arabs for it. Fucking unbelievable - your racism knows no bounds. If you have to blame anyone (other then Netanyahu for CHOOSING to be what he is, that is) then blame the people who voted him into power. - repeatedly. Afterall, the fact that Gazans voted Hamas into power just once has been used by inhumane asshats like you to excuse Israeli atrocities in Gaza. Using your logic that means Israelis are fair game for voting for Netanyahu SIX times. I don't happen to believe that, I think there is one person, and JUST ONE person, to blame for Netanyahu's actions - and that is Benjamin Netanyahu. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 13:18:21 GMT
Oh fuck me, you have to pretending to be this fucking stupid. The Geneva Conventions came into force after WWII. Not rocket science, is it? All The Best Collective punishment didn’t . If everything you post is in the context of the Geneva convention then you might as well post to yourself because afaik no one else is . Oh, you are that stupid, brave of you to admit it. Collective Punishment being a War Crime did not exist prior to the Geneva Conventions. As the Geneva Conventions are what is used to determine and prosecute War Crimes it is, obviously (to anyone not stupid that is), the point of reference for allegations of War Crimes by Israel. Especially as it is Israel being a signatory of the Geneva Conventions that gives those conventions, and the courts that adjudicate those conventions, authority to charge and, if deemed necessary, prosecute Israel. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 13:24:01 GMT
Collective punishment didn’t . If everything you post is in the context of the Geneva convention then you might as well post to yourself because afaik no one else is . Oh, you are that stupid, brave of you to admit it. Collective Punishment being a War Crime did not exist prior to the Geneva Conventions. As the Geneva Conventions are what is used to determine and prosecute War Crimes it is, obviously (to anyone not stupid that is), the point of reference for allegations of War Crimes by Israel. Especially as it is Israel being a signatory of the Geneva Conventions that gives those conventions, and the courts that adjudicate those conventions, authority to charge and, if deemed necessary, prosecute Israel. All The Best There you go again …and you are claiming others are thick 😁 Try reading the post you replied to very slowly . Use you finger if necessary.
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