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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 12:55:50 GMT
Hamas has launched rocket attacks on Israel from Gaza for the first time in months. The barrage of rockets set off air raid sirens in cities as far away as Tel Aviv. There were no immediate reports of casualties or damage in what appeared to be the first long-range rocket attack from Gaza since January, although Palestinian militants have continued to sporadically fire rockets and mortar rounds at communities along the Gaza border since then. Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack. The Israeli military said eight projectiles crossed into Israel after being launched from the area of the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where Israeli forces recently launched an incursion. IMHO They are still using Palestinians as human shields, they do not give a dam It's all very sick. You can't help those who raise their kids to kill and die for Jihad. Even if by slim chance that Hamas is wiped out, it will take generations to undo all of that brainwashing. The concern we should have is that this brainwashing is occurring over here. You can see it in the eyes of the young on those anti-Jew rallies.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 15:05:57 GMT
Of course it is about religion - hatred of the Jews is nothing new. Still dont get your obsession with people's colour though. No one here has expressed hatred of Jews, some of us have expressed disgust at the actions of some Jews (Netanyahu's extremist, terrorist supporting regime), but we also expressed disgust at the actions of Hamas. Many people here think Judaism and Islam, that is Jews and Muslims, should be treated the same when it comes to being accountable for actions they carry out that may be War Crimes. You clearly think differently. So what is it about Judaism and Islam that leads you to treat them so differently?
One the one hand thinking it OK to mete out Collective Punishment to all Muslims (Gazans and Palestinians) because of the actions of a tiny minority of Muslims (Hamas). One the other hand thinking Jews (Israelis) should be completely protected from the consequences of the actions of a tiny minority of Jews (Likud and their extremist Zionist fellow travellers). Why the difference?
Why is the video of the woman you posted above apparently sufficient to condemn all Gazans / Palestinians to collective punishment? But the actions of Baruch Goldstein, or even Yigal Amir (Zionist Terrorist who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin for supporting the Oslo Accords), not sufficient to condemn all Jews / Israelis to any form of justice at the ICJ / ICC? Why the glaring and, to me, morally repugnant, disparity?
All The Best I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 15:15:36 GMT
Jews don’t seem to be as good at killing Muslims as Muslims are too. When it comes to killing Muslims, other Muslims are very good at it .
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Post by sheepy on May 26, 2024 16:13:38 GMT
I would suggest before screaming we are protecting the Jews and the Israeli government, one should at least consider moving to Israel not that they would let you anyway, I would also suggest if you think you are protecting Hamas you should also move to Gaza, not that would work out well as the Israelis have been known to murder Christians with snipers, on the other hand if you think you are onboard with a two state solution which just about everyone else is, I would suggest you stop backing a bunch of terrorists on either side.
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Post by Pacifico on May 26, 2024 17:07:17 GMT
I would suggest before screaming we are protecting the Jews and the Israeli government, one should at least consider moving to Israel not that they would let you anyway, I would also suggest if you think you are protecting Hamas you should also move to Gaza, not that would work out well as the Israelis have been known to murder Christians with snipers, on the other hand if you think you are onboard with a two state solution which just about everyone else is, I would suggest you stop backing a bunch of terrorists on either side. well everyone apart from the two sides currently in conflict in the region...
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Post by Handyman on May 26, 2024 17:11:56 GMT
Hamas has launched rocket attacks on Israel from Gaza for the first time in months. The barrage of rockets set off air raid sirens in cities as far away as Tel Aviv. There were no immediate reports of casualties or damage in what appeared to be the first long-range rocket attack from Gaza since January, although Palestinian militants have continued to sporadically fire rockets and mortar rounds at communities along the Gaza border since then. Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack. The Israeli military said eight projectiles crossed into Israel after being launched from the area of the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where Israeli forces recently launched an incursion. IMHO They are still using Palestinians as human shields, they do not give a dam It's all very sick. You can't help those who raise their kids to kill and die for Jihad. Even if by slim chance that Hamas is wiped out, it will take generations to undo all of that brainwashing. The concern we should have is that this brainwashing is occurring over here. You can see it in the eyes of the young on those anti-Jew rallies. I agree but the brainwashing will go on IMHO
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Post by ProVeritas on May 26, 2024 18:26:21 GMT
No one here has expressed hatred of Jews, some of us have expressed disgust at the actions of some Jews (Netanyahu's extremist, terrorist supporting regime), but we also expressed disgust at the actions of Hamas. Many people here think Judaism and Islam, that is Jews and Muslims, should be treated the same when it comes to being accountable for actions they carry out that may be War Crimes. You clearly think differently. So what is it about Judaism and Islam that leads you to treat them so differently?
One the one hand thinking it OK to mete out Collective Punishment to all Muslims (Gazans and Palestinians) because of the actions of a tiny minority of Muslims (Hamas). One the other hand thinking Jews (Israelis) should be completely protected from the consequences of the actions of a tiny minority of Jews (Likud and their extremist Zionist fellow travellers). Why the difference?
Why is the video of the woman you posted above apparently sufficient to condemn all Gazans / Palestinians to collective punishment? But the actions of Baruch Goldstein, or even Yigal Amir (Zionist Terrorist who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin for supporting the Oslo Accords), not sufficient to condemn all Jews / Israelis to any form of justice at the ICJ / ICC? Why the glaring and, to me, morally repugnant, disparity?
All The Best I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why. Only one of those has anything to do with SOME Gazans, the rest do NOT; so that would seem to indicate you are happy for Gazans to be punished for crimes committed by Islamist Extremists elsewhere, thereby indicating you support the War Crime of Collective Punishment. Furthermore, you have watched Jews murder thousands in Gaza and ethnically cleanse parts of the West Bank, oh and kill other Jews as well as Arabs in the King David Hotel Terrorist Attack (that pretty much defined the modern terrorist modus operandi) but CHOOSE to ignore all of it. Why? So far all you have is the moronic, and circular argument that "some Muslims did bad stuff somewhere, so Gazans can be punished for it because they too are Muslim". Presumably then, you'd be happy for all Germans to face Collective Punishment because some Germans supported the Nazis. That is the level of your argument. I choose not to ignore the atrocities committed by either side, because that is the ONLY fair and humane way to do it. It is also the ONLY way to hopefully stop those atrocities from continuing to happen. Arrest and try all Hamas members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of terrorism that may amount to War Crimes. Arrest ad try all IDF members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of warfare that may amount to War Crimes. Really can't see why any of that is even marginally contentious. All The Best
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 20:38:34 GMT
I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why. Only one of those has anything to do with SOME Gazans, the rest do NOT; so that would seem to indicate you are happy for Gazans to be punished for crimes committed by Islamist Extremists elsewhere, thereby indicating you support the War Crime of Collective Punishment. Furthermore, you have watched Jews murder thousands in Gaza and ethnically cleanse parts of the West Bank, oh and kill other Jews as well as Arabs in the King David Hotel Terrorist Attack (that pretty much defined the modern terrorist modus operandi) but CHOOSE to ignore all of it. Why? So far all you have is the moronic, and circular argument that "some Muslims did bad stuff somewhere, so Gazans can be punished for it because they too are Muslim". Presumably then, you'd be happy for all Germans to face Collective Punishment because some Germans supported the Nazis. That is the level of your argument. I choose not to ignore the atrocities committed by either side, because that is the ONLY fair and humane way to do it. It is also the ONLY way to hopefully stop those atrocities from continuing to happen. Arrest and try all Hamas members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of terrorism that may amount to War Crimes. Arrest ad try all IDF members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of warfare that may amount to War Crimes. Really can't see why any of that is even marginally contentious. All The Best You appear to deliberately miss the salient point in any post. You waste my time.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 20:53:47 GMT
You appear to deliberately miss the salient point in any post. You waste my time. It's why I see no point in wasting energy on them. They only have to stoke up Jew Hatred amongst the Left and Islamists whilst ignoring Hamas' use of terrorism, rocket attacks and and a population of brainwashed drones who back them.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 20:57:37 GMT
I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why. Only one of those has anything to do with SOME Gazans, the rest do NOT; so that would seem to indicate you are happy for Gazans to be punished for crimes committed by Islamist Extremists elsewhere, thereby indicating you support the War Crime of Collective Punishment. Furthermore, you have watched Jews murder thousands in Gaza and ethnically cleanse parts of the West Bank, oh and kill other Jews as well as Arabs in the King David Hotel Terrorist Attack (that pretty much defined the modern terrorist modus operandi) but CHOOSE to ignore all of it. Why? So far all you have is the moronic, and circular argument that "some Muslims did bad stuff somewhere, so Gazans can be punished for it because they too are Muslim". Presumably then, you'd be happy for all Germans to face Collective Punishment because some Germans supported the Nazis. That is the level of your argument. I choose not to ignore the atrocities committed by either side, because that is the ONLY fair and humane way to do it. It is also the ONLY way to hopefully stop those atrocities from continuing to happen. Arrest and try all Hamas members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of terrorism that may amount to War Crimes. Arrest ad try all IDF members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of warfare that may amount to War Crimes. Really can't see why any of that is even marginally contentious. All The Best “ you'd be happy for all Germans to face Collective Punishment because some Germans supported the Nazis.”They did at the time and had the war lasted longer , they would have faced more collective punishment. A lot of people were quite happy about that .
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 20:57:41 GMT
No one here has expressed hatred of Jews, some of us have expressed disgust at the actions of some Jews (Netanyahu's extremist, terrorist supporting regime), but we also expressed disgust at the actions of Hamas. Many people here think Judaism and Islam, that is Jews and Muslims, should be treated the same when it comes to being accountable for actions they carry out that may be War Crimes. You clearly think differently. So what is it about Judaism and Islam that leads you to treat them so differently?
One the one hand thinking it OK to mete out Collective Punishment to all Muslims (Gazans and Palestinians) because of the actions of a tiny minority of Muslims (Hamas). One the other hand thinking Jews (Israelis) should be completely protected from the consequences of the actions of a tiny minority of Jews (Likud and their extremist Zionist fellow travellers). Why the difference?
Why is the video of the woman you posted above apparently sufficient to condemn all Gazans / Palestinians to collective punishment? But the actions of Baruch Goldstein, or even Yigal Amir (Zionist Terrorist who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin for supporting the Oslo Accords), not sufficient to condemn all Jews / Israelis to any form of justice at the ICJ / ICC? Why the glaring and, to me, morally repugnant, disparity?
All The Best I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why. These are all good points, but keep in mind that some people supported all of these attacks.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 21:05:20 GMT
No one here has expressed hatred of Jews, some of us have expressed disgust at the actions of some Jews (Netanyahu's extremist, terrorist supporting regime), but we also expressed disgust at the actions of Hamas. Many people here think Judaism and Islam, that is Jews and Muslims, should be treated the same when it comes to being accountable for actions they carry out that may be War Crimes. You clearly think differently. So what is it about Judaism and Islam that leads you to treat them so differently?
One the one hand thinking it OK to mete out Collective Punishment to all Muslims (Gazans and Palestinians) because of the actions of a tiny minority of Muslims (Hamas). One the other hand thinking Jews (Israelis) should be completely protected from the consequences of the actions of a tiny minority of Jews (Likud and their extremist Zionist fellow travellers). Why the difference?
Why is the video of the woman you posted above apparently sufficient to condemn all Gazans / Palestinians to collective punishment? But the actions of Baruch Goldstein, or even Yigal Amir (Zionist Terrorist who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin for supporting the Oslo Accords), not sufficient to condemn all Jews / Israelis to any form of justice at the ICJ / ICC? Why the glaring and, to me, morally repugnant, disparity?
All The Best I've never watched Jews flying planes into the world trade centre. Never watched Jews bombing buses and underground in London, then having a second attempt weeks later. I've never watched Jews murdering hundreds on the Madrid railways. I've never watched Jews shooting up and bombing The Bataclan theatre, in Paris I've never watched Jews killing people at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris I've never seen Jews bombing girls at a teeny concert in Manchester. I never watched Jews invade Israel and film themselves raping, killing and burning at kibbutz's and pop concerts. That could be why. Indeed. I dont see the Jews as a threat to Europe whereas I see the potential for Muslims to be a threat to Europe . Jews certainly dont have the record of terrorism in Europe that Muslims have . I would rather see a strong Israel in the Middle East than Israel being vacated and replaced with Muslims . Wont ever happen ? Tell that to the Jew hating Muslims.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 26, 2024 21:37:57 GMT
Only one of those has anything to do with SOME Gazans, the rest do NOT; so that would seem to indicate you are happy for Gazans to be punished for crimes committed by Islamist Extremists elsewhere, thereby indicating you support the War Crime of Collective Punishment. Furthermore, you have watched Jews murder thousands in Gaza and ethnically cleanse parts of the West Bank, oh and kill other Jews as well as Arabs in the King David Hotel Terrorist Attack (that pretty much defined the modern terrorist modus operandi) but CHOOSE to ignore all of it. Why? So far all you have is the moronic, and circular argument that "some Muslims did bad stuff somewhere, so Gazans can be punished for it because they too are Muslim". Presumably then, you'd be happy for all Germans to face Collective Punishment because some Germans supported the Nazis. That is the level of your argument. I choose not to ignore the atrocities committed by either side, because that is the ONLY fair and humane way to do it. It is also the ONLY way to hopefully stop those atrocities from continuing to happen. Arrest and try all Hamas members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of terrorism that may amount to War Crimes. Arrest ad try all IDF members, and those who assist, enable, and command them, who have committed vile acts of warfare that may amount to War Crimes. Really can't see why any of that is even marginally contentious. All The Best You appear to deliberately miss the salient point in any post. You waste my time. Did you make one? Other than implying that because some Muslims outside of Gaza and some years ago did bad stuff it is now OK to mete out Collective Punishment to current Gazans? All The Best
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Post by Pacifico on May 26, 2024 21:51:12 GMT
You appear to deliberately miss the salient point in any post. You waste my time. Did you make one? Other than implying that because some Muslims outside of Gaza and some years ago did bad stuff it is now OK to mete out Collective Punishment to current Gazans? All The Best It's not collective punishment - it is war.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 26, 2024 21:56:26 GMT
Did you make one? Other than implying that because some Muslims outside of Gaza and some years ago did bad stuff it is now OK to mete out Collective Punishment to current Gazans? All The Best It's not collective punishment - it is war. That's for a court to decide. The UN has said there is credible reason to believe it is Collective Punishment. WWII was also war but the Nazi's inflicted Collective Punishment on the Jews, Gypsies, etc. Or are you now saying that War and Collective Punishment are mutually exclusive? That will rile the Zionist lobby. All The Best
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