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Post by ProVeritas on May 25, 2024 8:03:03 GMT
The reason Hamas exists is because Mossad created and funded them to undermine the PLO/PNA and then lost control of them. If Israel stopped interfering in Palestinian internal politics this would not have happened. All The Best It really is sad the way so many people try to Blame the Jews / Israelis for everything bad. Except I don't. Israel carries no blame for the Holocaust, or the actions of the Oct 7th attackers, it carries no blame for the abhorrent tactical and strategic choices that Hamas makes. It does, however, carry blame for enabling, directing and funding Hamas to destabilise the PLO/PNA, it does carry blame for its actions since Oct 7th where those actions break international law, it does carry blame for the abhorrent tactical and strategic choices it makes that have led to credible accusations of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 25, 2024 8:07:44 GMT
The Palestinian Arabs have never allowed the Palestinian Jews / Israelis to live in peace. That is why both are in the nonsense position they are in today. Clearly the only time there will be peace between the two is when the Arabs allow it. Although it may now be too late for peace between the two. You are, I hope, aware that the Palestinian Government has, in principle, accepted a 2SS. You are, I know, also aware that the current Israeli Government has rejected a 2SS. There are two entities currently scuppering any hope of peace, Hamas, and the Likud Extremist Alliance. All The Best I am aware that the threats and the terrorism against the Jews / Israelis NEVER went away. Extremists on both sides continued with their violence. A "2 SS" is a misnomer, because there is no solution without peace. So for starters there is no solution without the removal of Hamas terrorists, and what's the chance of that happening?
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Post by ProVeritas on May 25, 2024 8:10:25 GMT
You are, I hope, aware that the Palestinian Government has, in principle, accepted a 2SS. You are, I know, also aware that the current Israeli Government has rejected a 2SS. There are two entities currently scuppering any hope of peace, Hamas, and the Likud Extremist Alliance. All The Best I am aware that the threats and the terrorism against the Jews / Israelis NEVER went away. Extremists on both sides continued with their violence. A "2 SS" is a misnomer, because there is no solution without peace. So for starters there is no solution without the removal of Hamas terrorists, and what's the chance of that happening? Yes, yes, we know: it is ONLY ever the fault of Brown Skinned Muslim people. You have spread that vile, racist, narrative over more than just this Forum. All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 25, 2024 8:17:44 GMT
It really is sad the way so many people try to Blame the Jews / Israelis for everything bad. The reason Hamas turned from a political party to a piece of extremist shit is purely down to the extremists in Hamas who ignored the the political leaders and chose to feed their hate of the Jews and live with the intention of destroying Israel. Whatever, nice to see the Palestinians coming to their senses and agreeing they must have a recognised state before the Israelis can keep stealing more of it, a move in the right direction, which seems to have a few posters desperately trying to drown them out on behalf of a bunch of Israeli psychos. A Palestinian State would give the Hamas terrorists better protection for them to continue their hate filled intention of eliminating the country run by non-Muslims (Israel) in a Muslim dominated part of the world. Under the present circumstances, created by extremist Muslims, the Israelis have little option other than to control Palestine. Allowing peaceful Arabs to live in peace with peaceful Jews / Israelis. Just as in the recognised area of Israel today.
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Post by sheepy on May 25, 2024 8:19:05 GMT
Whatever, nice to see the Palestinians coming to their senses and agreeing they must have a recognised state before the Israelis can keep stealing more of it, a move in the right direction, which seems to have a few posters desperately trying to drown them out on behalf of a bunch of Israeli psychos. A Palestinian State would give the Hamas terrorists better protection for them to continue their hate filled intention of eliminating the country run by non-Muslims (Israel) in a Muslim dominated part of the world. Under the present circumstances, created by extremist Muslims, the Israelis have little option other than to control Palestine. Allowing peaceful Arabs to live in peace with peaceful Jews / Israelis. Just as in the recognised area of Israel today. You must have missed the whatever bit; it is still a great achievement against the Zionist odds.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 25, 2024 8:20:19 GMT
Whatever, nice to see the Palestinians coming to their senses and agreeing they must have a recognised state before the Israelis can keep stealing more of it, a move in the right direction, which seems to have a few posters desperately trying to drown them out on behalf of a bunch of Israeli psychos. A Palestinian State would give the Hamas terrorists better protection for them to continue their hate filled intention of eliminating the country run by non-Muslims (Israel) in a Muslim dominated part of the world. Under the present circumstances, created by extremist Muslims, the Israelis have little option other than to control Palestine. Allowing peaceful Arabs to live in peace with peaceful Jews / Israelis. Just as in the recognised area of Israel today. Oh look, it is just the fault of Brown Skinned Muslims again. All The Best
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Post by see2 on May 25, 2024 8:26:29 GMT
It really is sad the way so many people try to Blame the Jews / Israelis for everything bad. Except I don't. Israel carries no blame for the Holocaust, or the actions of the Oct 7th attackers, it carries no blame for the abhorrent tactical and strategic choices that Hamas makes. It does, however, carry blame for enabling, directing and funding Hamas to destabilise the PLO/PNA, it does carry blame for its actions since Oct 7th where those actions break international law, it does carry blame for the abhorrent tactical and strategic choices it makes that have led to credible accusations of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. All The Best OK so not to blame for the obvious, but some have tried to blame Israel for the 7th Oct. But not to blame Israelis for the military arm taking power away from the political arm of Hamas and turning Hamas into hate filled Muslim attackers of Israel. IMO there is not much point in attacking Israel for the deaths in the war against Hamas unless those who attack can give a better way of destroying the Hamas terrorists.
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Post by sheepy on May 25, 2024 8:27:59 GMT
A Palestinian State would give the Hamas terrorists better protection for them to continue their hate filled intention of eliminating the country run by non-Muslims (Israel) in a Muslim dominated part of the world. Under the present circumstances, created by extremist Muslims, the Israelis have little option other than to control Palestine. Allowing peaceful Arabs to live in peace with peaceful Jews / Israelis. Just as in the recognised area of Israel today. Oh look, it is just the fault of Brown Skinned Muslims again. All The Best I don't care about the prejudices on behalf of a bunch of psychos on show daily, what I do care about is the US has been given the opportunity to right some wrongs, those chances don't come around so often. We will see just how worldly and politically astute they actually are but don't hold your breath.
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Post by see2 on May 25, 2024 8:29:53 GMT
A Palestinian State would give the Hamas terrorists better protection for them to continue their hate filled intention of eliminating the country run by non-Muslims (Israel) in a Muslim dominated part of the world. Under the present circumstances, created by extremist Muslims, the Israelis have little option other than to control Palestine. Allowing peaceful Arabs to live in peace with peaceful Jews / Israelis. Just as in the recognised area of Israel today. Oh look, it is just the fault of Brown Skinned Muslims again. All The Best The fault of extremist Muslims, absolutely, I like the honesty of calling a spade a spade.
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Post by see2 on May 25, 2024 8:32:04 GMT
Oh look, it is just the fault of Brown Skinned Muslims again. All The Best I don't care about the prejudices on behalf of a bunch of psychos on show daily, what I do care about is the US has been given the opportunity to right some wrongs, those chances don't come around so often. We will see just how worldly and politically astute they actually are but don't hold your breath. Why do you think the US is wary of stopping support for Israel?
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Post by sheepy on May 25, 2024 8:39:01 GMT
I don't care about the prejudices on behalf of a bunch of psychos on show daily, what I do care about is the US has been given the opportunity to right some wrongs, those chances don't come around so often. We will see just how worldly and politically astute they actually are but don't hold your breath. Why do you think the US is wary of stopping support for Israel? There is a definite will in the US to put things right and get a perspective on the real situation, by announcing sanctions in the first place, now they have been given the tools to get ahead of the game, by now they must realise the Israeli government is on a suicide mission and is going to drag them down with them, probably not Biden because he doesn't see anything coming and just makes threats everyone knows he cannot back up. He is way too deep in Israels twisted web.
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Post by Dogburger on May 25, 2024 9:12:00 GMT
The Muslim war against the Jew means the Palestinians will never accept statehood . They are the convenient victims the Muslims need to keep the lefty's of the western world onside . Peace isn't very profitable .
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2024 9:18:59 GMT
I bet that link took a lot of hard Googling, PV. It's so out of date, there's no photo and the links to iffy blogs have expired. No, it was easy to find, less than 10 seconds. I, unlike many here, am very informed on this subject; I was following this issue back then as it happened - what about you? I am certain anyone genuinely informed and interested about this subject would be aware of this image back in 2006. The links to "iffy blogs" are irrelevant. It is a news story from a reputable news outlet, and that news story did contain that image when it was "live". But here's link to a reddit thread from 7 months ago, so you can see the image in question: www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/17r1xhs/israeli_children_writing_messages_on_missiles/All The Best Thanks. I understand that more recently, names of those killed by Hamas in the October 7th massacre were written on bombs destined for Hamas. If that is true, I don't see a problem with that, as the action was a clear result of a casus belli for war. As far as being informed goes, no one could be more informed than you PV, according to you, PV.
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Post by Bentley on May 25, 2024 9:48:37 GMT
Israelis know this . That’s why they want grind Hamas into dust ..even if they have to grind Gaza into dust to achieve it . Even that will only give Israel a short respite . If Israel chooses to grind Gaza to dust then they don't deserve respite. Those who CHOOSE to commit War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity )and Netanyahu's Extremist regime IS making that choice) should NEVER be allowed respite from prosecution and sanctions. The unfortunate thing is that many Israelis who oppose Netanyahu and his ilk will also be made to suffer the effects of those sanctions. All he Best I’m pretty sure that they would prioritise their own existence over what you think they deserve.
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Post by Pacifico on May 25, 2024 10:49:21 GMT
Details? I only ask because every time a 2SS has been offered to the Palestinians since 1937 it has been turned down - so what sort of 2SS are the Palestinians willing to accept (considering they have never put forward their own proposals for negotiation before) That is why I said "in principle" - because "the details" need to be hashed out. However, Israel (under Netanyahu and his Extremist Alliance) have rejected even the principle of a 2SS (meaning no "details" can be hashed out because Israel rejects them). All The Best Netanyahu has not been in power since 1937
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