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Post by Tinculin on May 24, 2024 12:06:07 GMT
Prior to 1967, Palestine had no lands.
They were Jordanian and Egyptian lands.
Following the 6 day war, Israel returned lands to the Arabs but they refused to accept back Gaza and the West Bank, leaving the people their stateless and ‘Palestinians’.
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 12:09:43 GMT
If Palestine was a state and Israel was removed, Hamas would not go away. Did the Taliban go away when everyone left Afghanistan? No. The world turned its back on Afghanistan after it got bored and left millions of Afghans to suffer under a brutal Islamic terrorist regime. Your have to be morally bankrupt to want that in Palestine. Any hope for a long lasting and peaceful Palestinian state can only come when terrorists and extreme religious groups have no grasp on power. Israel knows this and has decided to act accordingly .
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2024 12:09:49 GMT
I’m all for a two state solution, but it has to be a solution, not a problem. I.e, Not if it’s going to be led by a taliban like cult who will oppress its population with religious tyranny and would constantly be seeing to provoke its neighbour - otherwise there is only going to be decades of suffering as a result. Completely agree, that's why it needs UN intervention for decades in order to suppress the Hamas twats and run the clock down against the indoctrinated so they die out and generations of educated people replace them, capable of thinking rationally, coexisting and not waging war when they take over. This is what was not done in Afghanistan. I did read at one time that some Arab schools taught the kids to hate the Jews and that to kill a Jew would please Allah.
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Post by bancroft on May 24, 2024 17:23:00 GMT
The reason Hamas exists is because Iran is funding it . Iran would still fund extremists in Palestine I’d it was a seperate state . Unless you think that the people of Gaza support Hamas then it’s obvious that Hamas ( or a form of it ) would exist afterwards. No, it will be the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, Iran supports Hezbollah and does not share a border, Egypt does.
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Post by sheepy on May 24, 2024 17:31:41 GMT
Of course they will, because as usual the brightest people on the planet are populists and will not be denied in bringing actual democracy.
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 17:32:20 GMT
The reason Hamas exists is because Iran is funding it . Iran would still fund extremists in Palestine I’d it was a seperate state . Unless you think that the people of Gaza support Hamas then it’s obvious that Hamas ( or a form of it ) would exist afterwards. No, it will be the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, Iran supports Hezbollah and does not share a border, Egypt does. Iran supports Hamas .
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Post by bancroft on May 24, 2024 17:49:20 GMT
No, it will be the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, Iran supports Hezbollah and does not share a border, Egypt does. Iran supports Hamas . Yet not with arms.
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 17:54:31 GMT
How is Hamas funded? Historically, Palestinian expatriates and private donors in the Persian Gulf provided much of the movement’s funding. Today, Iran is one of Hamas’s biggest benefactors, contributing funds, weapons, and training. Though Iran and Hamas briefly fell out after backing opposing sides in Syria’s civil war, Iran provides some $100 million annually [PDF] to Hamas, PIJ, and other Palestinian groups designated as terrorist organizations by the United States, according to 2021 U.S. State Department estimates. Iran was quick to praise Hamas’s assault on Israel in late 2023 and pledge its continuing support for the Palestinian group. www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamasThat apart what do you think a terrorist organisation would spend donations on..flowers ?
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Post by Vinny on May 24, 2024 18:06:08 GMT
If Palestine was a state and Israel was removed, Hamas would not go away. Did the Taliban go away when everyone left Afghanistan? No. The world turned its back on Afghanistan after it got bored and left millions of Afghans to suffer under a brutal Islamic terrorist regime. Your have to be morally bankrupt to want that in Palestine. Any hope for a long lasting and peaceful Palestinian state can only come when terrorists and extreme religious groups have no grasp on power. Agree with everything you're saying.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 24, 2024 20:01:28 GMT
Should Palestinian Arabs be given a Palestinian state. If so why yes, or why no.? Yes, provided that they sign up to all the world courts, human and religious rights, non proliferation treaties, ICC, and the like. Then they could perhaps start loving their neighbours. Well, Israel has signed up to most of those, then promptly ignored them. So why hold the Palestinians to higher standards? All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 24, 2024 20:03:58 GMT
The history of that area is highly complicated, but what we can say for absolute certainty is that there was a home for "The Israelites" ( the Jews ) and also for the Palestinians ( mostly Muslim ). Its a straight forward and simple answer to the question Of course there should be an independent and free Palestine, its the ONLY solution for both peoples ( the Israeli's & the Palestinians ) to live in peace. THere is no alternative ^ This. A Two-State Solution is the ONLY viable road-map to peace. Consistent pressure needs to be applied, to both sides equally, when they take actions detrimental to that end-point. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 24, 2024 20:07:24 GMT
The reason Hamas exists is because Iran is funding it . The reason Hamas exists is because Mossad created and funded them to undermine the PLO/PNA and then lost control of them. If Israel stopped interfering in Palestinian internal politics this would not have happened. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 24, 2024 20:13:31 GMT
If Palestine was a state and Israel was removed, Hamas would not go away. Did the Taliban go away when everyone left Afghanistan?No. The world turned its back on Afghanistan after it got bored and left millions of Afghans to suffer under a brutal Islamic terrorist regime. Your have to be morally bankrupt to want that in Palestine. Any hope for a long lasting and peaceful Palestinian state can only come when terrorists and extreme religious groups have no grasp on power. But Israel will NOT accept independent troops, either as peace-keepers or observers even in Gaza, in the first place (even now); because that means more spotlights will be shone on Israel atrocities as well as Hamas atrocities. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on May 24, 2024 20:17:14 GMT
Completely agree, that's why it needs UN intervention for decades in order to suppress the Hamas twats and run the clock down against the indoctrinated so they die out and generations of educated people replace them, capable of thinking rationally, coexisting and not waging war when they take over. This is what was not done in Afghanistan. I did read at one time that some Arab schools taught the kids to hate the Jews and that to kill a Jew would please Allah. You think Zionist schools don't teach kids to hate Arabs / Muslims? Shit, it was happening 17 Years ago: www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2006/jul/20/missilespostinAll The Best
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 20:29:22 GMT
If Palestine was a state and Israel was removed, Hamas would not go away. Did the Taliban go away when everyone left Afghanistan? No. The world turned its back on Afghanistan after it got bored and left millions of Afghans to suffer under a brutal Islamic terrorist regime. Your have to be morally bankrupt to want that in Palestine. Any hope for a long lasting and peaceful Palestinian state can only come when terrorists and extreme religious groups have no grasp on power. Israel knows this and has decided to act accordingly . Yeah, but how much longer will the Hamas propagandists bore us to death with their hate Israel propaganda?
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