The Muslim vote.

well for someone who knows you keep denying it.

The time has passed for a 2 state solution - it has been rejected so many times now, over so many decades, that neither sides want one.

So leave them to it. Eventually, whether by war or peace, they will both come to a situation which they can both live with.

An example is Korea - they have officially been at war for 74 years now, and both side scan live with the status quo.

But that requires near on 30,000 US Troops stationed near the DMZ.

Israel will never allow a similar DMZ because that would impinge on their ability to continue to steal Palestinian land.
Hamas as permanent belligerents would never agree to it.
The Palestinian National Authority might agree to it.
Israeli resistance would mean the US would never commit troops to it, and there arguably isn't another Western Democratic nation with the military wherewithal to commit to policing a DMZ.

I also remind you that the official position of the PNA is (or was prior Israel's over-zealous reaction to Oct 7th) that a 2SS is a necessary element of any lasting peace deal.
Israel's official position is that a 2SS must be prevented at any cost - even perpetuating a conflict that takes Israeli lives.


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If we believe Jewish propaganda they have always faced an existential threat.
Though I don't personally know anyone naïve enough to believe that anymore.
Moreover, would they face that alleged existential threat if they themselves were less belligerent?
There's an old adage "everyone you meet is your mirror", maybe that applies here.

I am not sure we do face an existential threat from the same quarter; would you care to elaborate?
Sure, there's the Daily-Heil-esque "sharia law coming to a street near you" bullshit, but very little real evidence that such a threat exists.

What common ground do we share with Israel?


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Fatah have rejected every 2SS offered to them in the past and they are not the most popular political force in Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas who are the most popular reject a 2SS and continue to call for the destruction of Israel.

The only people who are talking about a 2SS are those not living in the region.

1) Never denied the Holocaust, that's your imagination. 
I am talking about every single time the propaganda that Jews have "always faced an existential threat" is used.
Yes, for sure, some of the times that claim has been made it has been true - the holocaust being the obvious one - but every time?

2) My uncle is on his 4th wife.

With the first wife the reason for the divorce was: "It wasn't my fault, I did nothing wrong, she is a right bitch".  Sure, that is perhaps possible.
With the second wife the reason for the divorce was: "It wasn't my fault, I did nothing wrong, she is a right bitch". Is it possible someone has been so unlucky twice? Possible, but surely unlikely.
With the third wife the reason for the divorce was: "It wasn't my fault, I did nothing wrong, she is a right bitch".
At this point, maybe he has to be honest and say "Yeah, I was at least partially to blame" because it is just not credible for him to be a permanent, unwitting, and undeserved "victim" of "forever bitches".

Apply that to Jewish claim that they have ALWAYS faced an existential threat, they have ALWAYS been victims.

Which of these is the most credible explanation:
1) In every nation they have ever lived, at any time in human history, no matter the ethnicity, religion, or social and governmental structures in place, every single place that the Jews have lived has been - for absolutely no reason at all - constantly Anti-Semitic.
2) In at least some of those cases, the Jews have engaged in activities that have led to them being ostracised, and even persecuted.

I'll give you a hint, it ain't 1) and I can prove it with just one example: Under the majority of Roman Rule all religions were tolerated, all races and creeds were largely treated equally (yes there was slavery, but a Roman could end up a slave, just like a Gaul, German, African etc.).  There was, essentially only one rule: Pay Caesar his due. 
The Jews chose not to pay taxes, and were punished for it, leading to full scale armed revolt, that the Romans had no choice but to put down.
This was NOT Anti-Semitism, it was "Anti-Criminal and Anti-Revolt" - yet is is sometimes used as "proof" that Anti-Semitism has always existed.

Moreover, when it is claimed that Israel is engaged in genocide in Gaza useful-idiot defenders of Israel sometimes claim that "Israel could wipe Gaza off the map, the fact it hasn't not killed more people is proof there is no genocide.

Now apply that reasoning to the ludicrously false claim that Anti-Semitism has always existed, in every culture, throughout human history.
If that were true the Jews would have been completely wiped out millennia ago.
But they are, thankfully, still here.

3) You refuse to call me by my proper Forum name because you are a petulant juvenile mind with the intellectual inability to win a debate on the merit of your arguments, and try therefore to do so by ridicule.



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Well done for proving point 3) for me.
Must be so proud of yourself.


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