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Post by jonksy on May 18, 2024 10:11:44 GMT
Starmer was head of the CPS at the time. So what crap are you referring too zany? The CPS cannot decide on whether or not to prosecute if the police bring no case to them. That is what Handyman pointed out. Starmer was in charge and should have told the police to carry out a full investigation...We allknow starmer made out he didn't know about Saville which was total fucking bullshit. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 10:12:19 GMT
Maggie was not in charge of the Crown Prosecution Service - you will be trying to shift responsibility for their failure onto Piers Morgan next. You are getting desperate. Yes total desperation and ill-informed nonsense total lack of research and understanding. Saville came under suspicion for sexual offences as far back as 1958 " The CPS is responsible for prosecuting crimes in England and Wales. As part of this it decides which cases should be prosecuted and what defendants should be charged with. It is independent of the police and government.
In 2007 and 2008, Surrey Police investigated three complaints that Savile had “engaged in sexual behaviour with young girls”. During the same period, Sussex Police investigated a similar complaint involving a young woman. Savile was interviewed under caution by police in October 2009 and denied wrongdoing. He was not arrested. No prosecution was brought in relation to any of the four complaints, on the grounds that none of the victims were “prepared to support any police action”, for example testifying in court.
Savile died in October 2011. Since his death, it has emerged that he sexually abused hundreds of children and women at locations including hospitals, schools and the BBC. " That is why he was never charged or put before a Court no victims would stand up in Court and give evidence against him The Left are absolutely useless and just lie through their teeth. They were far more interested in their own power circle than tackling these monsters, which is why the sickos on the Left felt that shouting people down for racism was the best way to shut down people who dared mention the racially motivated child rape gangs. It's why it went on for so long. It only began to be taken seriously when the Tories took office. |
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Post by jonksy on May 18, 2024 10:14:26 GMT
The CPS cannot decide on whether or not to prosecute if the police bring no case to them. That is what Handyman pointed out. Wrong totally wrong , which bit of the Police presented their evidence to the CPS do you not understand what I pointed out was no victim of Saville would attend Court and give evidence against him that is why the CPS could not put him on trial for anything.
These lefty woke snowflakes have had it all explained before Handy but they still persist in posting their same old pro starmer/labour bullshit. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 18, 2024 10:20:04 GMT
The CPS cannot decide on whether or not to prosecute if the police bring no case to them. That is what Handyman pointed out. and should have told the police to carry out a full investigation...We allknow starmer made out he didn't know about Saville which was total fucking bullshit. And the buck stops with him. Whether people care to admit it or not, one of Starmer's lasting legacies as head of the CPS was to allow Britain's worst paedophile to wriggle off the hook and die a free man. |
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Post by Handyman on May 18, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
Whilst I dislike and do not trust Starmer he was the DPP from 2008 to 2013 when Surrey Police sent a Case File to the CPS, Saville could not have been tried because none of his victims would go to Court and give evidence against him, as I understand it he was still being investigated by more than one Police Force for other offences when he died
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Post by andrewbrown on May 18, 2024 12:17:22 GMT
Whilst I dislike and do not trust Starmer he was the DPP from 2008 to 2013 when Surrey Police sent a Case File to the CPS, Saville could not have been tried because none of his victims would go to Court and give evidence against him, as I understand it he was still being investigated by more than one Police Force for other offences when he died Stop putting facts in here. It obscures the remedial class. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 18, 2024 12:18:58 GMT
LOL! The irony is strong with you lefties today, doofus. 🤣 You seem to have a very little word vocabulary. And again!  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 18, 2024 12:22:27 GMT
Whilst I dislike and do not trust Starmer he was the DPP from 2008 to 2013 when Surrey Police sent a Case File to the CPS, Saville could not have been tried because none of his victims would go to Court and give evidence against him, as I understand it he was still being investigated by more than one Police Force for other offences when he died However, victimless prosecutions are possible.
After all, no murder victim ever takes the stand but plenty of people are prosecuted for murder.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 18, 2024 12:22:46 GMT
Whilst I dislike and do not trust Starmer he was the DPP from 2008 to 2013 when Surrey Police sent a Case File to the CPS, Saville could not have been tried because none of his victims would go to Court and give evidence against him, as I understand it he was still being investigated by more than one Police Force for other offences when he died Stop putting facts in here. It obscures the remedial class. See above. |
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Post by Handyman on May 19, 2024 9:01:41 GMT
Whilst I dislike and do not trust Starmer he was the DPP from 2008 to 2013 when Surrey Police sent a Case File to the CPS, Saville could not have been tried because none of his victims would go to Court and give evidence against him, as I understand it he was still being investigated by more than one Police Force for other offences when he died However, victimless prosecutions are possible.
After all, no murder victim ever takes the stand but plenty of people are prosecuted for murder.
Indeed the dead cannot speak, but on the other hand they can in a manner of speaking DNA on the body forensics at the crime scene, witnesses, CCTV, etc etc |
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Post by zanygame on May 19, 2024 15:57:37 GMT
The CPS cannot decide on whether or not to prosecute if the police bring no case to them. That is what Handyman pointed out. Wrong totally wrong , which bit of the Police presented their evidence to the CPS do you not understand what I pointed out was no victim of Saville would attend Court and give evidence against him that is why the CPS could not put him on trial for anything.
Amounts to the same thing. The police advised the CPS that they could not provide any victims willing to testify in court and therefore it was highly unlikely to be a successful prosecution. I understand how the system works and how the police advise the CPS on cases. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 19, 2024 16:03:00 GMT
Doesn't matter. The remedial class says it's Starmer's fault, so if they repeat it often enough it becomes true.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 19, 2024 16:09:15 GMT
Doesn't matter. The remedial class says it's Starmer's fault, so if they repeat it often enough it becomes true. See above. |
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Post by Handyman on May 19, 2024 16:19:29 GMT
Wrong totally wrong , which bit of the Police presented their evidence to the CPS do you not understand what I pointed out was no victim of Saville would attend Court and give evidence against him that is why the CPS could not put him on trial for anything.
Amounts to the same thing. The police advised the CPS that they could not provide any victims willing to testify in court and therefore it was highly unlikely to be a successful prosecution. I understand how the system works and how the police advise the CPS on cases. Wrong yet again the Police provide the evidence they have gathered victim statements, witness statements, forensics, accused interviews etc, then pass it to the CPS to evaluate the evidence. Then the CPS Advise the Police what to do next either NFA, Caution , or Charge and what Charges should be brought, they may advise them to take further statements to fill in any possible gaps or weaknesses in the case before going to Court, The Police are not Lawyers, the CPS are Lawyers, Barristers KC's they know the Law and they advise the Police, that has been the case since 1984 when the Pace Act was brought in, if victims or victim refuses to attend Court and give evidence the CPS cannot put the case before the Courts |
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Post by zanygame on May 19, 2024 17:54:22 GMT
Amounts to the same thing. The police advised the CPS that they could not provide any victims willing to testify in court and therefore it was highly unlikely to be a successful prosecution. I understand how the system works and how the police advise the CPS on cases. Wrong yet again the Police provide the evidence they have gathered victim statements, witness statements, forensics, accused interviews etc, then pass it to the CPS to evaluate the evidence. Then the CPS Advise the Police what to do next either NFA, Caution , or Charge and what Charges should be brought, they may advise them to take further statements to fill in any possible gaps or weaknesses in the case before going to Court, The Police are not Lawyers, the CPS are Lawyers, Barristers KC's they know the Law and they advise the Police, that has been the case since 1984 when the Pace Act was brought in, if victims or victim refuses to attend Court and give evidence the CPS cannot put the case before the Courts Yes and? Police hand evidence to CPS Police tell CPS they cannot provide witnesses to testify against Saville CPS says fair enough then we can't build a case. You can dress it in legalese but that's what actually happens. |
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