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Post by johnofgwent on May 9, 2024 7:05:16 GMT
The smart thing to do if you’re a Tory MP who believes their constituency will flip Labour is to defect. This ensures that you’ll win your seat back at the next general election and retain your government salary. Otherwise you go back to being unemployed. This of course perfectly sums up the bar steward (to misquote john major) who became Stratford On Avon’s Labour MP having been elected as its Tory one At the next election Alan Howarth was given the then 20,000 majority safe seat of Newport East as a reward for stabbing Major in the back. When he was persuaded to give the seat up for a Blair Babe under the safe seats for proper women directive he was handed an ermine robe as a thank you. In the election after Howarth’s defection, Stratford on Avon almost made the Labour candidate lose their deposit to demonstrate tbeir degree of pissed offness. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 9, 2024 8:27:37 GMT
I think Witchfinder started this thread in the hope of proving how bad the Tories are.
He's only proving how similar the Labour party are with the current crop of Conservatives if one can defect to another.
Worrying.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 9, 2024 8:49:34 GMT
I think Witchfinder started this thread in the hope of proving how bad the Tories are. He's only proving how similar the Labour party are with the current crop of Conservatives if one can defect to another. Worrying. Indeed. What is more worrying is the number of people who think that is because the Tories are no longer Conservative; when in fact it is Labour who has, significantly, shifted to the right. All The Best |
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Post by piglet on May 9, 2024 9:27:08 GMT
This womans husband is a convicted criminal, and she defended him even though he was guilty. Another Tory MP who was sacked recently, got elected on thee promise of working hard for his constituants, then sold insider government information to journalists.
How did these people get to be MPS? Who selected them? If i became an MP i would think and feel an enormous sense of privvelage and pride, taking advantage would not occur to me for a second. Labour are guilty too, with that woman.Not only is parliament corrupt on a political level, but individually too, a broom is needeed.
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Post by witchfinder on May 9, 2024 10:15:12 GMT
This defection does raise some questions - I agree, but the Big Hit is the headline, that yet another Tory has defected to Labour.
If Labour are to win the general election, they HAVE TO attract votes from people who voted Conservative last time. The reason why the Conservatives got such a good majority in 2019 is because so many people who normally vote Labour voted Conservative.
There are some unanswered questions about this MP for Dover, but not concerning matters that have been allready been dealt with. She does seem to have had some views which would not be compatible with been a member of the Labour Party.
However, its interesting to note that during the debate on Sunaks new Housing Tennancy Bill, Elphicke oppossed those Tories who watered down the Bill in favour of landlords, and to the detrement of tennants, so maybe she does have a social conscience, which is a requirement of the Labour Party.
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Post by dodgydave on May 9, 2024 13:00:49 GMT
Plenty of reports that Labour MPs are angry with Starmer. The self-proclaimed "man of principle" lets a women with some horrendous opinions into his party just to score a cheap political point.
Just confirms what I have been saying all along, Starmer is just another Boris type who wants to be "World King" and has zero actual convictions.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2024 13:43:24 GMT
...What is more worrying is the number of people who think that is because the Tories are no longer Conservative; when in fact it is Labour who has, significantly, shifted to the right... Actually, it's both. |
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Post by patman post on May 9, 2024 13:46:26 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on May 9, 2024 16:38:23 GMT
I see several commentators are suggesting that Elphicke is Labours most right-wing MP ever. Personally I would suggest that title would be held by Sir Oswald Moseley who was a Minister in the Labour Government of Ramsay MacDonald. Although it is arguable just how right-wing Moseley actually was.  |
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Post by vlk on May 9, 2024 17:29:11 GMT
Four words spring to mind: rats, leave, sink, ship.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 9, 2024 20:15:40 GMT
Plenty of reports that Labour MPs are angry with Starmer. The self-proclaimed "man of principle" lets a women with some horrendous opinions into his party just to score a cheap political point. Just confirms what I have been saying all along, Starmer is just another Boris type who wants to be "World King" and has zero actual convictions. Starmer, like Blair before him, has only one principle - do anything to obtain / retain power. As much as I disagree with so much of what people like Jeremy Corbyn stands for, I'd trust him over Starmer any day - because he had principles he refused to compromise on; yes those principle led to his defeat, but at least you knew where he stood in key issues, even if you disagreed with him. I don't know what Starmer stands for, and I suspect neither does he - because he's never actually had to stand up and be counted for anything. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 12, 2024 12:52:00 GMT
I think allowing Natalie Elphicke to join Labour may have been a defection too far, for Starmer. The defection of an outspoken right wing Tory MP certainly seems to be proving more problematic for Starmer than for Sunak. If Elphicke was unhappy about Sunak's immigration policy, which she claims she was, the obvious choice of party for a right wing Conservative to defect to is Reform UK. But she chose to go in the complete opposite direction and join Labour, a pro EU, pro migrant party, why?
A rhetorical question of course. Elphicke is trying to save her own skin, she's desperately trying to hang onto her seat and if that means abandoning her long held right wing Tory beliefs and principles, so be it. Her constituents are unhappy with her, many Tory MP's are saying good riddance to bad news, and many Labour MP's are not happy about the situation. Starmer was, initially, cock-a-hoop at her defection. On reflection I doubt he will be so happy about it now.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 12, 2024 13:40:07 GMT
I think allowing Natalie Elphicke to join Labour may have been a defection too far, for Starmer. The defection of an outspoken right wing Tory MP certainly seems to be proving more problematic for Starmer than for Sunak. If Elphicke was unhappy about Sunak's immigration policy, which she claims she was, the obvious choice of party for a right wing Conservative to defect to is Reform UK. But she chose to go in the complete opposite direction and join Labour, a pro EU, pro migrant party, why? . Well, here's a theory. Knowing Starmer would do absolutely anything to give the impression he has got one over the Tories, maybe she offered herself to Labour knowing full-well the turmoil it would stir-up within Labour because - as you pointed out - Elphicke is about as much a natural fit for Labour as pork pie is at a bar mitzvah. The question is: is anyone within the Tory's ranks of Spads devious enough to come up with such a gambit? Well, we know of one: Dominic Cummings. We also know that allegedly Sunak has had secret talks with Cummings about bringing him back on board for the General Election campaign. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 12, 2024 13:55:27 GMT
I see several commentators are suggesting that Elphicke is Labours most right-wing MP ever. Personally I would suggest that title would be held by Sir Oswald Moseley who was a Minister in the Labour Government of Ramsay MacDonald. Although it is arguable just how right-wing Moseley actually was. I would argue that fascism isn't right wing at all. It's a collective ideology and therefore much more of the left. |
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Post by ratcliff on May 12, 2024 13:55:38 GMT
I think allowing Natalie Elphicke to join Labour may have been a defection too far, for Starmer. The defection of an outspoken right wing Tory MP certainly seems to be proving more problematic for Starmer than for Sunak. If Elphicke was unhappy about Sunak's immigration policy, which she claims she was, the obvious choice of party for a right wing Conservative to defect to is Reform UK. But she chose to go in the complete opposite direction and join Labour, a pro EU, pro migrant party, why? . Well, here's a theory. Knowing Starmer would do absolutely anything to give the impression he has got one over the Tories, maybe she offered herself to Labour knowing full-well the turmoil it would stir-up within Labour because - as you pointed out - Elphicke is about as much a natural fit for Labour as pork pie is at a bar mitzvah. The question is: is anyone within the Tory's ranks of Spads devious enough to come up with such a gambit? Well, we know of one: Dominic Cummings. We also know that allegedly Sunak has had secret talks with Cummings about bringing him back on board for the General Election campaign. All The Best according to Cummings and the Indy - do you think he'd be trusted? |
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